funniest part of ur post is that all this is BS since all of it happened with minato
>Off panel
>moving ina unit
>not racing or competing
my logic is trash yet i am using the exact same logic kishimoto himself presented. minato arrived first. ergo he is fastest of the hokages. hinata arrived first ergo she is fastest among her divsion.
also a lot of the things u said aren't even true, but i will adress those later.
In comic/manga artform there is a concept known as the panel gap which refers to all the implied motion and action that the reader automatically fills between each still frame and i believe that this is the idea you are referring to and i agree that a lot of times kishi uses this to imply speed feats but honestly and unbaised i believe it is pretty safe to say that minato was using ftg based on the kunai emphasis, translation and the panel art itself.
In comic/manga artform there is a concept known as the panel gap which refers to all the implied motion and action that the reader automatically fills between each still frame and i believe that this is the idea you are referring to and i agree that a lot of times kishi uses this to imply speed feats but honestly and unbaised i believe it is pretty safe to say that minato was using ftg based on the kunai emphasis, translation and the panel art itself.
Whixh panel r u talking about? Because i am talking about when tobira says it is shushin not ftg that alowed him to show up first. In other words. Normal runnign speed. Just like hina
No, the raw say that Tobirama said that Minato's Shunshin is better than his. They don't say that he traveled to that Kunai using Shunshin, because he is blatantly shown using Hiraishin. That is not debatable.
What the hell are you even talking about? Minato wasn't shown until he teleported to that Kunai, the movement lines that appeared on the rest when they arrived on foot are not shown on Minato when he appears. Thus he did not physically move there.
And yes, your logic is garbage no matter how many times you erroneously compare it to what Kishimoto used for Minato's case. Don't bother quoting again until you are ready to address everything I've posted. Though I don't expect much from someone who is willing to argue that Old Hiruzen's speed is above Sasuke's and equal to Hashirama's despite Hiruzen's actual feats and statistics telling a very different story.
no lol the ftg was used to teleport away the tailed beast bomb and why the kunai was shown to show where the tbb was being teleported. ftg needs a mark to use and minato had no mark on the battle field where he showed up. tobirmama also says shushin. yes this is a fan translation, doesn't change th fact that the people who translated it clearly saw that the kanji read shushin and not hirashin
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body flick 瞬身の術
flying thinder 飛雷神の術
i will try to find japanese scan if possible to see who is right. but yeah even if u are right in this, it doesnt change hinata's speed feat tbh
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levels differ lmao look at shisui and minato himself. both are said to have amazing shushin
"fly us outside" doesn't mean fly us to naruto. and again, how would tobirama pull that off with no seal on the battle field?
did u post the wrong scan? tobi doesnt touch hashi at all there.
never said he can't.
i agree but until shown, there is no reason to say they can resist being burned just because they can fight off posions.
possible doesnt mean 4 sure. and aburame bugs dont have fire shrouds to resist fire.
Ive been following the thread and ive read your posts and the people debating you about the viz vs fan translations etc. And i really can't weigh in because i dont speak japanese but based on the artwork itself and the 2nd's remark in some translations i think it'd be fair to assume it was ftg.
With that said, i want to emphasize the "assume" because as you pointed out there is definitely a lot to indicate that it was body flicker so in the end either way id chalk it up to a bit of inconsistent art work with the distinction between ftg and body flicker.
Ive been following the thread and ive read your posts and the people debating you about the viz vs fan translations etc. And i really can't weigh in because i dont speak japanese but based on the artwork itself and the 2nd's remark in some translations i think it'd be fair to assume it was ftg.
With that said, i want to emphasize the "assume" because as you pointed out there is definitely a lot to indicate that it was body flicker so in the end either way id chalk it up to a bit of inconsistent art work with the distinction between ftg and body flicker.
No, the raw say that Tobirama said that Minato's Shunshin is better than his. They don't say that he traveled to that Kunai using Shunshin, because he is blatantly shown using Hiraishin. That is not debatable.
What the hell are you even talking about? Minato wasn't shown until he teleported to that Kunai, the movement lines that appeared on the rest when they arrived on foot are not shown on Minato when he appears. Thus he did not physically move there.
And yes, your logic is garbage no matter how many times you erroneously compare it to what Kishimoto used for Minato's case. Don't bother quoting again until you are ready to address everything I've posted. Though I don't expect much from someone who is willing to argue that Old Hiruzen's speed is above Sasuke's and equal to Hashirama's despite Hiruzen's actual feats and statistics telling a very different story.
lol i was never debating whther mina apeared to the kunai woth shushin. I know it is hirashin. I am talking about him running from konoha to naruto, that was shushin. That was his running speed. And that was what tobi priased him 4.
And yes there were movement lines when minato appeared in front of naruto and sakura.
Kishi: hey minato showing up b4 the other hokages makes him the fastest.
Me: hey hinata showing up b4 the others in her division makes her the fastest.
Yeah. So so so different huh? :lol
And yeah i am wrong about hiruzen. Kishi's logic doesnt apply to arriving at the same time it seems.
He japanese kanji says body flicker not ftg. Go back and read sinxe i even made a post of it
lol i was never debating whther mina apeared to the kunai woth shushin. I know it is hirashin. I am talking about him running from konoha to naruto, that was shushin. That was his running speed. And that was what tobi priased him 4.
And yes there were movement lines when minato appeared in front of naruto and sakura.
Kishi: hey minato showing up b4 the other hokages makes him the fastest.
Me: hey hinata showing up b4 the others in her division makes her the fastest.
Yeah. So so so different huh? :lol
And yeah i am wrong about hiruzen. Kishi's logic doesnt apply to arriving at the same time it seems.
Then we have the same exact belief on what that statement refers to, meaning he arrived to the battlefield w/ Hiraishin. Not Shunshin. He traveled most of the way on foot.
Yes. Different no matter how many times you foolishly try to equate your logic to Kishimoto's. Hiruzen=Hashirama=Tobirama is something that has been proven false in the Manga by their actions. The bold makes zero sense and is you making more pathetic excuses. That is his logic and if it doesn't apply to that it doesn't apply period. :lol You don't get to pick and choose what scenarios logic applies to. If it doesn't apply to all scenarios it should apply to it's false.
-If someone gets somewhere first in a race or competition or in an instance where one is trying to get ahead of the others they are the fastest.
-If two or more people arrive at the same time by that same logic it means they must be the same speed.
Yet again. Hiruzen is nowhere near Sasuke or Hashirama or Tobirama's speed, and Hiruzen even got there before Sasuke so I'm really really not trying to read this bullshit you are posting.
Stop talking about Kishimoto. That Minato scenario is valid because Tobirama's statement implies that how they went about their travel indicated that Minato was the fastest out of the Hokage as the Hokage were traveling in a unit. No such statement or anything implies the same for your goddess and her allies. In fact, we can take one step further, use some logic (I know, foreign concept to you) and realize why the Hinata and Hiashi were in the front. Hinata's division's goal was to redirect the Juubi's bomb and to do that Ino needs to have a clear shot to Obito, and Hinata needs to be with her to help her aim since Ino can't see far enough to do so on her own. That is why Hinata was in the front, not because she's faster than Hiashi, Neji, Kiba, Rock Lee and Sai. :lol Why don't you go pull some real speed feats for Hinata and then we'll talk.
Then we have the same exact belief on what that statement refers to, meaning he arrived to the battlefield w/ Hiraishin. Not Shunshin. He traveled most of the way on foot.
Yes. Different no matter how many times you foolishly try to equate your logic to Kishimoto's. Hiruzen=Hashirama=Tobirama is something that has been proven false in the Manga by their actions. The bold makes zero sense and is you making more pathetic excuses. That is his logic and if it doesn't apply to that it doesn't apply period. :lol You don't get to pick and choose what scenarios logic applies to. If it doesn't apply to all scenarios it should apply to it's false.
-If someone gets somewhere first in a race or competition or in an instance where one is trying to get ahead of the others they are the fastest.
-If two or more people arrive at the same time by that same logic it means they must be the same speed.
Yet again. Hiruzen is nowhere near Sasuke or Hashirama or Tobirama's speed, and Hiruzen even got there before Sasuke so I'm really really not trying to read this bullshit you are posting.
Yes. Most was on foot. Maybe the last few yards like 5 yards with hirashin considering minato can only throw a kunai so far, especially at the angle in which he threw it.
Explain how it is different. Minato showed up first. He is fastest in his group. Hinata showed up firsr. She is fastest in her division. End of story.
Everything else u said is irrelevamt i am talking about minato here to hiruzen or sasuke.
Yes. Most was on foot. Maybe the last few yards like 5 yards with hirashin considering minato can only throw a kunai so far, especially at the angle in which he threw it.
Explain how it is different. Minato showed up first. He is fastest in his group. Hinata showed up firsr. She is fastest in her division. End of story.
Everything else u said is irrelevamt i am talking about minato here to hiruzen or sasuke.
-Not interested in your speculations.
-Not interested in your shitty logic.
If you won't argue that Hiruzen is faster than Sasuke and on par w/ Hashirama and the fastest man of that era in speed because he got to the battlefield before the former and at the same time as the latter you don't have an argument at all.
And go read my edited post and address it, yes, address. Not ignore. Address. Another foreign concept to you. Whatever happened off panel lead Tobirama to argue that Minato's Shunshin is superior to his own. If it was just getting to the battlefield first then Hiruzen would be superior to Sasuke, which he is not.
lol i dont care anymore. I have been here all day. End of the day, kishi said minato arriving first makes him fastest. Hinata did the same. Anything else is irrelevant.
lol i dont care anymore. I have been here all day. End of the day, kishi said minato arriving first makes him fastest. Hinata did the same. Anything else is irrelevant.
"Concession accepted" comment inbound
Then we have the same exact belief on what that statement refers to, meaning he arrived to the battlefield w/ Hiraishin. Not Shunshin. He traveled most of the way on foot.
Yes. Different no matter how many times you foolishly try to equate your logic to Kishimoto's. Hiruzen=Hashirama=Tobirama is something that has been proven false in the Manga by their actions. The bold makes zero sense and is you making more pathetic excuses. That is his logic and if it doesn't apply to that it doesn't apply period. :lol You don't get to pick and choose what scenarios logic applies to. If it doesn't apply to all scenarios it should apply to it's false.
-If someone gets somewhere first in a race or competition or in an instance where one is trying to get ahead of the others they are the fastest.
-If two or more people arrive at the same time by that same logic it means they must be the same speed.
Yet again. Hiruzen is nowhere near Sasuke or Hashirama or Tobirama's speed, and Hiruzen even got there before Sasuke so I'm really really not trying to read this bullshit you are posting.
Stop talking about Kishimoto. That Minato scenario is valid because Tobirama's statement implies that how they went about their travel indicated that Minato was the fastest out of the Hokage as the Hokage were traveling in a unit. No such statement or anything implies the same for your goddess and her allies. In fact, we can take one step further, use some logic (I know, foreign concept to you) and realize why the Hinata and Hiashi were in the front. Hinata's division's goal was to redirect the Juubi's bomb and to do that Ino needs to have a clear shot to Obito, and Hinata needs to be with her to help her aim since Ino can't see far enough to do so on her own. That is why Hinata was in the front, not because she's faster than Hiashi, Neji, Kiba, Rock Lee and Sai. :lol Why don't you go pull some real speed feats for Hinata and then we'll talk.
Lol juubi bomb was gettinf ready in like 3 seconds. They xould not have planned for that beforehand. It was done on the spot since obito started charging it up mere seconds before rhey arrived. Also, speculation like how u always accuse me of doing
Tsunade abandoned the village , she wasn't included . Her leaving meant the senju left, and the senju aren't even from the leaf , hahsirama started that
Imma need you to show this or don't claim it. He didn't take damage period. That's what was shown. Striking the vitals doesn't help if your strike is weak.
I'm also going to need you to show the feats and address the topic at hand. We are talking about Asuma vs. Neji, not Asuma vs. Air Palm or Can Air Palm damage Asuma. People in this Manga get punched all the time yet those punches never do any lasting damage unless it's from some physical powerhouse, and that goes for all Ninja. :lol Yet you are here arguing that somehow Air Palm will do so much damage with a single hit that it can be considered as a game changing technique.
Air Palm's only and I mean ONLY feat is hitting a gimped Kisame and failing to do any damage even after supposedly being hit in the vitals, yet people have drawn blood from Kisame just by hitting him with regular punches.
This is exactly why I didn't want to argue with you. You are cornered so you are trying to derail this discussion. We weren't talking about whether or not Air Palm can damage Asuma. We were talking about the overall fight and now you are ducking that discussion.
pinpointed attacks can give you an advantage in hand to hand combat and can do a serious damage in some cases.
that is the purpose of the air palm. it is a pinpointed attack launched from a distance which would give an advantage in CQC, it is not a "pusher" God damn it.
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and it is also powerful
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you can see the distortion in the water under Kisame that it had done and you can see how it took Kisame to grab his sword to brace himself
Neji can attack Asuma's wrist with air palm which would blow his hands and disarm him.
and in worst scenarios, Neji can repel his direct attacks by exploding Chakra from his Tenketsu like this
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but he doesn't have to release it from all Tenketsus(from all around his body), he can just release Chakra in the area that Asuma is attacking.
let's see.
-both are in the same tier in speed and skills
-Neji has a superior fighting style
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-Neji has the Byakugan which would allow him to anticipate his movements
-Neji can strike from a distance
-Neji can release Chakra to repel his direct attacks
-Asuma's Ninjutsu is ineffective in front of Kaiten
pinpointed attacks can give you an advantage in hand to hand combat and can do a serious damage in some cases.
that is the purpose of the air palm. it is a pinpointed attack launched from a distance which would give an advantage in CQC, it is not a "pusher" God damn it.
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and it is also powerful
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you can see the distortion in the water under Kisame that it had done and you can see how it took Kisame to grab his sword to brace himself
It did nothing to Kisame, thus the only advantage it would give is that it would blow Asuma back, but that blows him out of the range for CQC and doesn't do Neji any good when it comes to close quarters combat itself so you don't have a point. I don't care about the distortion. I don't care about your retorts. Why can't you ever just argue with honesty and accept the facts how they are instead of trying to twist them to your favor?
Neji can attack Asuma's wrist with air palm which would blow his hands and disarm him.
and in worst scenarios, Neji can repel his direct attacks by exploding Chakra from his Tenketsu like this
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but he doesn't have to release it from all Tenketsus(from all around his body), he can just release Chakra in the area that Asuma is attacking.
We've seen the range of Air Palm, and it blew Kisame off his feet so an attack that focused is not possible unless you have some sort of feat. What's even funnier is that the way
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prevents Neji from disarming him from hitting his wrist. So that does nothing even if it were possible, which it is not.
That's body blow, and there's no evidence or feat that lets body blow repel actual attacks. His best feat is blowing a web off of his body. You're gonna have to do better than that. You keep claiming Neji will do this, or Neji will do that yet you seem to be unable to actually show the feat that lets him perform this on the level necessary.
let's see.
-both are in the same tier in speed and skills
-Neji has a superior fighting style
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-Neji has the Byakugan which would allow him to anticipate his movements
-Neji can strike from a distance
-Neji can release Chakra to repel his direct attacks
-Asuma's Ninjutsu is ineffective in front of Kaiten
-Nope. Both are in the same tier of speed and skill when it comes to Taijutsu. Asuma fights w/ his Hien, which are blades enhanced w/ Fuuton Chakra and is stated to be top tier in close quarters among the Jonin in the leaf village. Asuma's skill in close quarters overall>Neji's. That's a fact.
-Nope. What is this based on? Oh wait, nothing. :lol There is no fighting style that is the best fighting style. What makes one's fighting style the best is their speed, strength, skill and the jutsu they use. What's even funnier is that you, of course, misquoted that scan to benefit your argument. Lee said the Gentle Fist is the leaf's strongest Taijutsu style. Not strongest fighting style. Asuma uses weapons as his main form of combat.
-Irrelevant because you can't show that this lets Neji overpower and overwhelm Asuma in close quarters, but I expected you Hyuga fans to start throwing this claim around without actual explanation on what it lets Neji achieve.
-Irrelevant because the only attack he has that lets him strike from a distance is weak as hell.
Neji fights with his bare hands. Asuma fights w/ chakra blades. Asuma is stated to be top tier in this form of combat. Neji is not. Neji is not fast enough, skilled enough nor does he have the proper moveset to take on someone of Asuma's skill and speed in a direct CQC fight where he uses his bare hands while Asuma uses Hien. Rotation is his only saving grace, and that is defense. That doesn't help Neji win as he can't rotate forever.
The funniest part about this post is that you have the nerve to say "can't see how Asuma can win" while giving an extremely weak argument that doesn't tell how Neji beats him in CQC. A weak argument that vastly overrates all of Neji's abilities as usual. :lol
