We're putting Boruto Vs Sarada debate to rest.
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salamander uchiha
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Somebody claimed rasengan was a 1 hit KO move I was clearing up its not even with a sneak attack. I didn't say it didn't damage shojoji that's your own assumption.
What was illogical about anything else I've said
1, 2 tomeo is enough to copy jutsu those are facts 2 tomeo has better clarity than 1 tomeo and 3 tomeo = peak clarity.
2 tomeo allows to see through genjutsu as well and people affected by genjutsu.
3 tomeo has peak clarity, perception and you gain precognition, peak copying ability, and the hypnotic eye. With 3 tomeo Itachi used mirror heaven earth change reflect back genjutsu. Noting illogical whatsoever.
As for 2 tomeo being enough to cast genjutsu I read that somewhere once I find the source I will present it if it exists. If not till then I won't make that claim.
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It can knock someone out.
I didn't debate the things I agree with. For instance if you don't see a part of your argument here, it's cause I agree.
I'll wait for it then. But I don't see why we gotta bring up the Sharingan here though.
I think it's a bit overrated. Especially when the Uchiha hasn't been shown that masterful at the art. The Manga since it's continuation has showed how the Sharingan has its counter, otherwise no would be able to beat the Uchiha at all. Even in the Great Wars with the Senju v. Uchiha back in the Feudal Era.
However back on topic, the Dojutsu stuff is going to be irrelevant at some point when Boruto starts using his Jougan too. I mean at this point we should just be logical about this.
salamander uchiha
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Good we agree it can knock out fodder. Many things can knock out fodder they are there to demonstrate jutsu effects. Against better opponents it loses its 1 hit KO ability. It's not a guaranteed 1 hit KO move sometimes it KO's sometimes it doesn't.
I know you didn't debate the things you called them illogical so I thought I'd clarify them. In case there was confusion.
As for being masterful thw Uchiha excel at ninjutsu and more importantly genjutsu. Itachi mainly uses Genjutsu in battle and if there's a need he uses ninjutsu but he relies on genjutsu. The rule of fighting the Uchiha as chiyo put it is in 2's because of that ability of Genjutsu. So it's highly relevant the reason they don't use it is because they'll just solo everybody with genjutsu so it'suse has to be restricted.
I don't know how irrelevant it'll be because the purpose of the sharingan is to enhance the user in many ways only limited by their potential and since Sarada's talent has been claimed to be Sasuke's by Kishimoto's databook. What heights can be achieved who knows.
Anyway Boruto's dojutsu as of yet holds a neutral position. The more we learn the more that may change.
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To Whatever
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It can knock most opponents who aren't high tier ninja. Shojoji is considered an S-Rank in the Bingo Book for a reason. But regular ninjas shouldn't have this counter, especially not Genin's.
Why are you comparing Itachi's Genjutsu to Genjutsu itself? Plus, Genjutsu itself isn't what makes Itachi strong. If he didn't have Susano'o, Yata Mirror/Totsuka Blade. Among other things, he wouldn't stack up that huge. Just look at his MS Sharingan ability. He has tons of hack.
However, Genjutsu itself will be irrelevant in the long term. Especially for Dojutsu users. Unless someone gets a Genjutsu like Tsukuyomi
Because there are no feats yet. It's like Boruto's Dojutsu. We keep giving Sarada feats like
> Sasuke's talent
> The Sharingan does this and that
But Sarada needs to show this mastery first. You understand?
salamander uchiha
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The rasengan has only been shown to knock out fodder so far and until it knocks out non fodder I can't accept it'll knock people that are non fodder out. Your rank actually plays no part in your ability to resist the effects of the rasengan or jutsu in general.
Sharingan genjutsu even basic is still overpowered and can't be easily countered even without MS. You missed the point of Itachi being used that's why I restricted it to genjutsu to show what Genjutsu users can do. And chiyo an S rank making it clear you fight Uchiha' S in 2s because of the genjutsu power. That means it was common for Uchiha to use genjutsu.
There's a claim from kishi for Sarada's talent and we know what the sharingan can do. Those thing together are what give Sarada credence.
Whereas Boruto doesn't have that for his dojutsu since we know nothing of the Jogan so the same can't be said. I'm not dissing Boruto because of that in just saying it's not clear yet.
Sharingan genjutsu even basic is still overpowered and can't be easily countered even without MS. You missed the point of Itachi being used that's why I restricted it to genjutsu to show what Genjutsu users can do. And chiyo an S rank making it clear you fight Uchiha' S in 2s because of the genjutsu power. That means it was common for Uchiha to use genjutsu.
There's a claim from kishi for Sarada's talent and we know what the sharingan can do. Those thing together are what give Sarada credence.
Whereas Boruto doesn't have that for his dojutsu since we know nothing of the Jogan so the same can't be said. I'm not dissing Boruto because of that in just saying it's not clear yet.
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I'm not sure why your calling him just a fodder when he brought Sarada to a close encounter by upping her with a surprise attack. The Manga stated that Shojoji was an S-Rank Bingo Book ninja. Unless you have an argument to where Shojoji's body and durability would be correlated to the entire cast of Naruto Verse, then I'll sadly say no.
Sharingan Genjutsu is basic but not that deadly against strong opponents. Hashirama beat Madara's ass countless times, and most debates whom factor Genjutsu into the battle don't lose either. Even Tobirama defeated Izuna, an MS-Uchiha. None whom have showed counters to Genjutsu on screen, but are rather formidable all the same.
Just saying Genjutsu by itself isn't an argument. There has to be feats first. This becomes even more irrelevant when we know Boruto has a Dojutsu which he will be using in the future, which will be able to see through chakra based attacks. And illusions. The Byakugan can do the same, as most Dojutsu's.
Kishimoto didn't write the Boruto Movie Data-Books. SP did. Anyway, there's no actual feats on display. That's all I said.
I'm not disagreeing but your missing the point. Your trying to use talent as an argument, when Sasuke and other forms of canon have already stated that Boruto's talent is top notch. More-so than Sarada's. This is no offense either, I'm just stating a fact.
Boruto's Jougan while mostly feat less and not explained, is no different than claiming Sarada will be uber strong cause she has Sasuke's talent. Both hardly have the feats to put such a label, hence why I never call Boruto OP for using the Jougan.
FuriouslAngel
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Nice joke.
He started receiving power ups ever since the manga and anime started. stfu
Wrong again...
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I dont know who's salty here...but Sarada is enough to deal with the likes of youThis trash salty alt. When Sarada uses new jutsu I expect you to say its power ups
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Your a joke.
Wow Boruto getting a seal = power ups
Sasuke got a seal in the Chunin Exams you hypocrite. Stfu
She's countering an illusion, retard.
FuriouslAngel
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It's a ****ing hint . for someone that "smart" you're not smart at all
and btw nice language there for someone who's not salty at all xD
It's a ****ing hint . for someone that "smart" you're not smart at all
and btw nice language there for someone who's not salty at all xD
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Idiots these days :lol
FuriouslAngel
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He cant even throw that Rasengan properlynot even close
boruto solos
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Fodderclone would get destroyed
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