[Discussion] Weakest younkou
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Relostar Devil
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Stronget creature is reffered to his DF, he is human not the strongest bcoz WB was the strongest man alive but now since he is dead, its for kaidou to take his place. Not some red hair guy who got his ass whooped by some lousy ass sea monster and covers his dumbassness by saying, he believes in some stupid gen. kids.
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"Creature" most likely refer to him being the strongest zoan user around. Is Shanks zoan user?
What happened with Shanks was at that time when he was not Yonko yet. Loosing his arm has emotional impact on Luffy, which later lead him to become greatest pirate in the world. He didn't give his arm for just a new generation, he gave his arm for this hole story, because without it you wouldn't have this manga.
That 'red hair guy who got his ass whooped by some lousy ass see monster' is:
- Yonko, wait how is 'red hair guy who got his ass whooped by some lousy ass see monster' a Yonko, does that mean every Yonko would lose his arm to that 'lousy ass see monster'. No, as I already said Shanks could get stronger in next years and scene haven't much to do with Power Level but with emotional impact and whole 'new generation'
- capable of sparring with Whitebeard 'strongest man in the world'
- capable of stopping whole MF war with just his arrival, Akainu didn't attack 'red hair guy who got his ass whooped by some lousy ass see monster'
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- Kaido while being confort by Shanks, lost to him or haven't got gust to go against 'red hair guy who got his ass whooped by some lousy ass see monster' which lead to assumption that even though he survived exucutions, some yonkos, marines he is just guy behind 'red hair guy who got his ass whooped by some lousy ass see monster'.
MP called Kaido the strongest pirate and MS said he's the strongest creature. We do have to wonder, wouldn't Oda have just called him the strongest beast or strongest zoan user? It's not like of Oda to confuse his reader then later on make contradictions. He would of easily clarified that if that was the case of him being WS-zoan user or beast. I'm not against your post or agreeing with it completely. Shanks does have incredible portrayal to suggest he is the strongest pirate alive and feats to back it up. I would wait till seeing viz translation.
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I prefer this fan-theory instead:
-Kaido is a suicidal man.
-He went to MF in hopes of WB killing him.
-Shanks stopped Kaido and said there's no point since in trying to die from hands of WB since by the time you get there he won't be in the condition to kill you off.
-Shanks suggested there's another pirate that's rising and will kill you one day. His name is Monkey D Luffy.
-They both went their separate ways. (with a few clashes before the convo.)
It's very possible that Shanks may of been the ones to cause one of Kaido's 7 defeats but I highly doubt it was during that confrontation during the MF war. Why? Shanks came out with zero injuries and his crew as well. There may of been clashes but nothing really suggests there was a fight to the point where Kaido got defeated.
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Shanks was already younkou even WB told him that a person like you got his ass kicked by lousy ass sea monster made world in a bit shock state which proves that he was already a younkou. Shanks never beat kaidou , they just got on the terms nobody stated that he beat him. Presence of any younkou would have stopped the war. Akainu clearly stated that marines are not ready to fight with another younkou plus BB was already creating ruckus so its pointless to support shanks there. Any guy who has good haki can stop akainus punch by surprise , there is no point in supporting this Red hair bastard. He is pretty good but just overhyped and is shown weak by the feats he has right now.
Doesn't really matter they're all more or less equal excluding Kaidou who should be ranked at #1 IMO. This is the same argument as ranking the Logia trio Admirals, its pretty useless to do.
Just my own take on things if I have to rank. No point in arguing these cause you can rearrange them anyway and still be right. Don't know why everybody was butthurt about the OP ranking Shanks last, they're all Yonkou.
1.Kaidou
2.Shanks
3.Big Mom
4.Teach
Just my own take on things if I have to rank. No point in arguing these cause you can rearrange them anyway and still be right. Don't know why everybody was butthurt about the OP ranking Shanks last, they're all Yonkou.
1.Kaidou
2.Shanks
3.Big Mom
4.Teach
They were never stated or shown to be equals. For all we know they're all top dogs and it's still possible to have different levels among them.Shanks has superior portrayal than any other yonko at this point in manga which should be clear for any reader with basic comprehension so putting him below others when everything we have seen so far supports the contrary is plain ignorance. Sure we don't know for sure how strong he is compared to other yonko. But according to what we have seen so far, Shanks can't be weakest of all. As far as I know OP just wanted to make fun of Shanks just by putting him below others. God knows what his reasons are but he's definitely not being genuine here.
Btw, I don't know why you're so sure about Kaido being strongest. From latest chapter it should be clear for everyone that his title doesn't include humans.
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What portrayal? Just until recently we hadn't even seen Kaidou and people were calling him the weakest and stuff. Now those same people look like idiots.
Wait till we at least see a bit of all of them. Regarding Shanks being last, putting Big Mom last isn't any better.
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But we still havent seen Kaido, apart from one page where he's screaming. Sure, he's stupidly hard to kill, but apart from that, we havent seen anything from him. He's been beaten 7 times, and captured 18 times. Not the best record for a Yonko. Definately top tier, but not nececarrily the strongest.
Sure, it says he's the strongest man, but Krillin is the strongest human in DBZ. Always expect a BS loophole in the hype.
Not really the point. Point is people are judging stuff before they even know what or who they are judging.
Also his defeats if the translation isnt off could be due to this.
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Half the reason Yonkous are so dangerous is their crew.
We don't know under what circumstances Shanks received the scar, but it was probably done after Teach betrayed WB Pirates but before Red Hair found out. He could've ran into Shanks and acted as if he was still under WB's wing, given the relationship between Shanks & WB; Shanks knew they weren't on bad terms and could've let down his guard by over-trusting BB.
Secondly, wasn't it BB that ran from the War when Shanks called him out? Yami & Gura fruits and still retreated. Though this was potentially because he atteined his main objective. Teach isn't one to do things that won't benefit him.
Lastly, Teach has been taking losses more than he's won. His entire crew and him got rekt by Magellan. WB pretty much tore him apart before they ganged up on the half dead man. Ace nearly killed him as well, Yami Yami saved his ass here. Assuming he now controls the Gura Gura with good ability, he is potential stronger than Big Mom. And that's only because she's shown no actual feats. The reason he's a Yonko is because of his notoriety and means of gaining power, as well as being a 2 DF user (first one probably).
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They put Shanks above others just like how you're putting Kaido above anyone else. You/They did that because they/you get to know something about Shanks /Kaido and have no idea about others. So putting BM or BB above Shanks without actually knowing a thing is plain ignorance as I said before.
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Fair enough, but
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, Law call Kaido "Strongest creature in the world"
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, Law call Kaido "Strongest thing in the world"Okay here is a difference in translation but meaning is same. "creature" and "thing" to what Franky reply as "He is not even human" which strongly suggest that he is just strongest zoan type and not strongest pirate.
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, translation call Kaido "Strongest pirate alive"
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, translation call Kaido "Strongest living creature"Now here is not just difference in translation, but also difference in meaning.
MangaPanda contradict what they said in 697 and what MS said in 697. On the other hand MS goes with what both MS and MP said in 697.
If you ask me, it's pretty clear what is the right translation.
Wikia also seems to agree with that:
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Nope WB never said that. Shanks fought with WB when Shanks was just a kid. Ofc he knows what talent Shanks hold and what fighter Shanks is.
WB also never said that his ass was kicked by..... WB was surprised that somone like Shanks could lose an arm to nearly everyone. But in reality Shanks never fought that monster, he lost his arm, because he needed to save Luffy, that sea monster pissed his panths when Shanks just looked at him.
My point I already explained above. Akainu haven't said that.
And BB was actually against the Shanks when Shanks arrived.