weak hashirama

[EMS RNNG]

Just a little quick question, why Edo Hashirama was so weak? I know that Madara is beyond his prime but still, Edo Hashirama is weaker than old Hiruzen xd (I also think that the 2nd Hokage was stronger than that)

1. Oro Edo Tensei is not perfect and Kabuto's Edo Tensei is perfect?

2. Kishi didn't planned to make Hashirama such a big character and he just made Hashirama stronger as the series advanced?

3. Another anwser (write ur thoughts plz)

4. Hiruzen is a beast/God/Chuck Norris

5. Oro was unable to use Hashirama's full power

maybe Hiruzen was strong in his prime but even in his prime he wasn't at Hashirama or Madara's level...IMO

 

[Ōkami]

i think it was because Hashirama had little development at the time while in part two he had alot

 

[I SploogedOnYou]

Im sure it was because oro's edos wasnt complete like kabutos. and kabuto even pushed the edos past their prime. (madara)

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Orochimaru did not know the full capabilities of hashirama, neither did Tsunade in that matter.

And also Orochimaru was toying with Hiruzen he did not good all out he wanted to torment him

 

[Redemption]

2 reasons:

1.In the first part of the manga,power levels were developed moderate not OP or Useless
2.Oro's version of Edo Tensei was incomplete

 

[Simple Math]

oro trolled him

 

[EMS RNNG]

I also think that Oro's edo wasn't complete, maybe is also the fact that he was playing with Hiruzen

 

[The Hidden Shinobi]

Also to add more points it is obvious that was not the full powered Hashirama for whatever reason I don't know maybe the reasons I mentioned in post #4 anyway ask your self this why didn't we see hashirama perform any of these:

Tree world

Summons

Kenjutsu skills

Him using anything from his scroll..

etc.. it is obvious this was not a full powered hashirama, it was just some zombie one that just charged without caring about being killed and using wood release to suppress hiruzen "once"

 

[TenzaZangetsu]

I don't think that battle counts anymore...We are kickin it hardcore these days!

 

[9tailsJinchuuriki]

Orochimaru did not know the full capabilities of hashirama, neither did Tsunade in that matter.

And also Orochimaru was toying with Hiruzen he did not good all out he wanted to torment him

I agree with this^ Oro was just toying with Hiruzen

 

[lol99]

orochimaru could have just stabbed hiruzen with kusanagi while hiruzen was blinded with bringer of darkness but no he didn't, the hokages were under his control

oro is just a sick bastard who wanted to mentally toture hiruzen by pitting him against his senseis and not just insta kill him

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

I agree with this^ Oro was just toying with Hiruzen

no he was not toying with hiruzen , he wanted to kill him and destroy the leaf village so yea oro was going all out

1) kabuto perfected the edo tensei, and his version of edo madara was beyond his prime. also he gave his edo free will to use all their abilities freely with out kabuto telling them what moves to do because he might not know them all

2) oros edo of hashi was more of a zombie he had no control whatsoever, and i frankly believe that he was gonna bring out madara in the third coffin and not minato because oro knows that you cant bring back dudes who's soul are not there, minatos was in the death god seal and sealed his soul away forever. and it was hiruzen who stopped the third coffin from appearing it was not oro.

 

[Altaneen]

A bit of 1, 2, and 5 I think for the most part.

 

[Prime Rib]

Just a little quick question, why Edo Hashirama was so weak? I know that Madara is beyond his prime but still, Edo Hashirama is weaker than old Hiruzen xd (I also think that the 2nd Hokage was stronger than that)

1. Oro Edo Tensei is not perfect and Kabuto's Edo Tensei is perfect?

2. Kishi didn't planned to make Hashirama such a big character and he just made Hashirama stronger as the series advanced?

3. Another anwser (write ur thoughts plz)

4. Hiruzen is a beast/God/Chuck Norris

5. Oro was unable to use Hashirama's full power

maybe Hiruzen was strong in his prime but even in his prime he wasn't at Hashirama or Madara's level...IMO

1. oro already masterd it himself, kabuto "perfected it by using his tailsman" no difference in power
4. kishi still stated Hiruzen is the strongest kage in the leaf village, and one of the strongest ninjas in history
5.orochimaru used hashirama full power,it was just beccause hiruzen was that damn strong

 

[Xaviour]

Not only did Oro not know what his full potential was (and so he was controlling him oh so weakly) but the power levels in PI and PII are hugely different.

I also believe it has to do with the Edo Tensei summoning quality, as Kabuto is a professional grave robber he's more experienced in that department than Oro lol

 

[neezyb]

The 2nd Hokage drafted the jutsu, Orichimaru perfected it, Kabuto MASTERED it. I'm sure if Orochimaru did edo tensei on Madara he'd be MUCH weaker.

 

[nite]

no he was not toying with hiruzen , he wanted to kill him and destroy the leaf village so yea oro was going all out

1) kabuto perfected the edo tensei, and his version of edo madara was beyond his prime. also he gave his edo free will to use all their abilities freely with out kabuto telling them what moves to do because he might not know them all

2) oros edo of hashi was more of a zombie he had no control whatsoever, and i frankly believe that he was gonna bring out madara in the third coffin and not minato because oro knows that you cant bring back dudes who's soul are not there, minatos was in the death god seal and sealed his soul away forever. and it was hiruzen who stopped the third coffin from appearing it was not oro.

Kabuto confirmed the 3rd coffin was Minato but failed due to RDS

 

[jaykuhz]

Hashirama wasn't fighting in his own free will. Madara is.
Orochimaru hadn't perfected Edo Tensei either.

/thread

 

[psukkar]

Just a little quick question, why Edo Hashirama was so weak? I know that Madara is beyond his prime but still, Edo Hashirama is weaker than old Hiruzen xd (I also think that the 2nd Hokage was stronger than that)

1. Oro Edo Tensei is not perfect and Kabuto's Edo Tensei is perfect?

2. Kishi didn't planned to make Hashirama such a big character and he just made Hashirama stronger as the series advanced?

3. Another anwser (write ur thoughts plz)

4. Hiruzen is a beast/God/Chuck Norris

5. Oro was unable to use Hashirama's full power

maybe Hiruzen was strong in his prime but even in his prime he wasn't at Hashirama or Madara's level...IMO

before jumpinmg to concluions did u happen to catch oroichumaru saying the senju brothers were toying with the 3rd hokage and that is why orocihmaru he never made them use alot of their skills like tobirama's time -space jutsu etc..

 

[Straw Hat Zoro]

I think kishi wasnt going to use the 1st very much in the manga at all but as time has gone on he has made him a staple in the manga. Just a hole in the story that makes no sense.