Washington Post analyzes caches of conversations collected by government surveilance

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So...

Snowden did have access (which, in my experience, far more people do than the government will admit).

And he turned those files over to the Post for them to review.

It's as bad as we could have feared.

"If Snowden’s sample is representative, the population under scrutiny in the PRISM and Upstream programs is far larger than the government has suggested. In a June 26 “transparency report,” the Office of the Director of National Intelligence disclosed that 89,138 people were targets of last year’s collection under FISA Section 702. At the 9-to-1 ratio of incidental collection in Snowden’s sample, the office’s figure would correspond to nearly 900,000 accounts, targeted or not, under surveillance."

"If a target entered an online chat room, the NSA collected the words and identities of every person who posted there, regardless of subject, as well as every person who simply “lurked,” reading passively what other people wrote.

“1 target, 38 others on there,” one analyst wrote. She collected data on them all.

In other cases, the NSA designated as its target the Internet protocol, or IP, address of a computer server used by hundreds of people.

The NSA treats all content intercepted incidentally from third parties as permissible to retain, store, search and distribute to its government customers. Raj De, the agency’s general counsel, has testified that the NSA does not generally attempt to remove irrelevant personal content, because it is difficult for one analyst to know what might become relevant to another."


A lot of this doesn't come as a surprise to me - but it is good to see that the evidence is vindicating.

I've been saying that this was the case back during the days of Echelon.

Collections of photos exist (all of those selfies you girls take - along with the ones you mean only for a few boy-toys to see). E-mails - a shit-ton of text messages/conversations from various networks.

This is huge.
 

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Sadly, unless someone links the information gathered to corporate trade secrets being tipped to an NSA friendly company then the suits won't make the connection that this needs to stop.
 

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This much resorces used on such activities? All for what? Boggles my mind. If its for defense intelligence, isnt it simply better and less costly to have spies and snitches ....?
 

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This much resorces used on such activities? All for what? Boggles my mind. If its for defense intelligence, isnt it simply better and less costly to have spies and snitches ....?

That would require actual work... This you can do sitting in a cushioned chair in an air-conditioned room and act busy. Or maybe we are missing something..

*Trying to think everytime I entered some random site or chat room without any agenda but curiosity or by accident...And wondering if someone is keeping a tab on my net searches*
 

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It does require lot of resources. A huge data centre of zeta bytes to dump all the info.Agents to plant bugs on their targets.They have to either buy exploits or feed money to a software corporation to secretly compromise their product so they can access it.Those personnel working also needs to get paid a lot..Equipment and R&D.Most importantly they have to shut the mouth of lot of people.Just shows what America can do.but in internet almost everything is American and you cant imagine internet without American product/service..that is huge advantage they have.
 

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This much resorces used on such activities? All for what? Boggles my mind. If its for defense intelligence, isnt it simply better and less costly to have spies and snitches ....?

The problem with America's intelligence agencies (and many other intelligence agencies) is compound. First and foremost - there are too many damned agencies. They need to comprise the various intelligence agencies and 'security' agencies into one. FBI, CIA, NSA, TSA, etc need to become one agency. While the CIA was formed and supposed to be distinct in that it only monitored foreign activity - that is not a realistic distinction in the digital world with air travel.

Along with that - much of that needs to be dedicated to what is called "Human Intelligence Networks."

Basically - spies and informants. The awesome thing about spies and informants is that, when properly placed, human intelligence networks are comprehensive in their coverage of human activity.

An informant within a large technology firm, such as Google, could relay information about suspicious accounts or account behavior to a network handler who would then index the lead or act on it with a warrant. Which is how the system is supposed to work.

In a perfect world - we could do without any kind of central agency (and I suspect we -could- get along just fine without any central security agency - private firms acting in protection of their own assets and those of their customers would file reports with the police regarding possible criminal plotting - but that is my near-anarchist streak speaking) - but in a realistic one, this is how you keep it functional and limited without sacrificing reliability.

Even with all of this data - some of which has been used to stop crimes - much of it was based on the information given to them by human intelligence networks. Thousands of terabytes of stuff to search through; thousands of hours of video with billions of faces to scan with software... how the hell can you know what is relevant?

In theory - it is possible to cache the information and then have it analyzed by algorithms within a supercomputer that could automatically compile a profile of individual identities from around the world - but the technical reality of such a project makes it unlikely such an endeavor is practical.

For a project like that to work - you are looking at roughly a year of design, a year of testing, and a year for construction and installation of supercomputing networks.

In that amount of time, the amount of internet traffic you would need to collect in a given day has nearly quadrupled. The amount of data your computer must be able to access at any given moment for proper analysis expands geometrically over time. Adding more computers to the network also means adding more storage capacity in a manner that can keep the processing units fed with data. So if they started on some grand project even as recently as 2010 - it is horribly insufficient for their goals.

Which means they have to fall back on using human intelligence to reconcile against the mass of shit they have collected.

So you may as well go back to relying purely upon human intelligence networks that can permeate anything human beings do.

I remember not too long ago when I got my first phone when my parents adopted a family plan on Cingular - even before roll over minutes. The "internet" on phones was a clunky abomination, at the time. Most of the 'games' were silly little things contrived by the marketer that were often there to make you wish the damned thing came pre-loaded with "snake" - which was a better time killer.

I pretty much used it to keep in contact with my parents when I was taking courses at the college and started a part time job and needed to organize car rides.

Five years later, I was cursing our cell tower for being too slow to properly browse the internet in pre-3G America, and was texting up a storm with a girl I met (which later turned into a mess - but, hey).

Five years later, still, I am cursing the lack of 4G towers to properly stream videos on my phone - which is now more powerful than the computer I had ten years ago with a touch screen display that makes the hand-held game console a thing of the past. I have physics simulators on the thing, CAD programs, like three different free navigation programs that make the Garmin my dad bought several years ago an obsolete thing.

The way we use technology and the rate at which we consume information has changed so radically that it makes any attempt at information gathering without specific targeting/profiling naive and foolish.

A few years before I got my first cell phone? I was on a computer, talking on internet forums over dial-up internet. If I got 10Kb/s on downloading anything - I was sure that some part of the modem or wiring was going to melt down or start spitting sparks. There was no "MySpace." The closest thing to "YouTube" was some variety of file sharing service. Most internet shopping was a glorified form of mail-order that companies were still trying to figure out. Amazon was getting there - but they were still up and coming.

The world I was raised in has almost become obsolete. I don't go to a store to buy a computer. People don't exchange phone numbers like they used to - they send face-book friend requests. People hardly write e-mails, anymore, outside of business interactions. Letters sent by mail are reserved for the most formal of affairs and invites.

While part of it is because my family was literally destroyed - I haven't seen a Christmas card in at least four years. Even things like wedding invitations are starting to go more informal and digital.

Our world is transforming faster than intelligence agencies can devise ways of searching through it without permission or oversight.

Yet if they were utilizing human intelligence networks - all of this would already be taken into account. The informants would migrate to Facebook and would keep their ear to the ground on their twitter feeds. They would make note of provocative individuals in forums and take note of when someone's youtube channel starts advocating genocide, or something.

A solid human intelligence network is where it is at.

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