Was Sasuke really nerfed?

[ShiroT]

well, from the way you stated your POV, it seem like you're saying that naruto is not trying to move fast, while sasuke is trying to move fast at all time. Meaning that naruto can greatly out-speed sasuke anytime. That's what im getting from you. However, you don't know if sasuke can greatly increase his speed too.

all im said was that naruto can get up to speeds above ay in v2. but he doesnt use this speed all the time (some say he only uses it when he's angry). most of this war he has been using his base kcm speed. most people can keep up with this speed.

sasuke can keep up with it.
killer be has shown he can
itachi etc.

but at any point if naruto used his greater speed/shunshin he would be faster then sasuke/itachi/kakashi/(most likely) 7 gates guy/ etc.

he for whatever reason doesnt use this speed much. which goes with we know naruto doesnt use this speed often but sasuke isnt known for doing this. if kcm naruto isnt using his full speed and sasuke hasnt shown anything faster then it would speculating that ems sasuke can go faster when he hasnt shown it.

these are two different arguments but I likely included both in one post

 

[Nagi]

all im said was that naruto can get up to speeds above ay in v2. but he doesnt use this speed all the time (some say he only uses it when he's angry). most of this war he has been using his base kcm speed. most people can keep up with this speed.

sasuke can keep up with it.
killer be has shown he can
itachi etc.

but at any point if naruto used his greater speed/shunshin he would be faster then sasuke/itachi/kakashi/(most likely) 7 gates guy/ etc.

he for whatever reason doesnt use this speed much. which goes with we know naruto doesnt use this speed often but sasuke isnt known for doing this. if kcm naruto isnt using his full speed and sasuke hasnt shown anything faster then it would speculating that ems sasuke can go faster when he hasnt shown it.

these are two different arguments but I likely included both in one post

That little speed stun with with ay was simply plot-no-jutsu. The 5th gate speed is faster than naruto's plot-no-jutsu speed. Any other moments when naruto speed seem greatly increase was just a quick dash speed.

 

[ShiroT]

That little speed stun with with ay was simply plot-no-jutsu. The 5th gate speed is faster than naruto's plot-no-jutsu speed. Any other moments when naruto speed seem greatly increase was just a quick dash speed.

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[Nagi]

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I just pulled up them episodes. That was a flat out plot-no-jutsu speed or dash speed against Ay if you wanna know so badly. Then rock lee 5th gate speed against garra is plot-no-jutsu or is faster than naruto top speed too! How to compare the two? I guess saying Kakashi barely followed lee's movement with his sharingan. XD

 

[lucario14]

im assuming that sasuke IS going at full speed because there are no scans where sasuke goes extremely fast and then slower . . .your basing this "speed" off of nothing

Lol so sasuke's always going at full speed? Not a good assumption dude.

again, are you saying that kakashi = kcm naruto = 7 gates guy = killer be in speed? no. naruto isnt using his max speed at all times which is shown throughout this war. just like kakashi who isnt as fast as guy was able to keep up with guy meaning guy wasnt going as fast as he could. AGAIN are you saying killer be, in base form mind you, is as fast as kcm naruto? as volk said naruto uses this "extreme" speed when he is angry. if that is the case then it shows that naruto isnt at top speed all the time

@bold where did I say that? Sasuke has shown impressive speed feats like

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(note where naruto is "uwah") and ending up

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while naruto was still airborne. For some reason you're still assuming sasuke is slower....

yes ay is faster then ems sasuke. ay is faster then rinnegan madara. does that mean madara coulnt react to ay? no. does that mean that sasuke cant react to ay? no. but neither of them are faster at ems and pre-jin.

wait a-minute, are you saying ems sasuke can run as fast as v2 ay? dude im done here

Kcm naruto dodged A's attack I'm saying that Sasuke can dodge A's attack too. After all, he has the choku tomoe which you're not taking into account. A's so called unavoidable attack that only has been dodged by minato, that attack was dodged by kcm naruto and I'm saying it can be dodged by ems sasuke too.

 

[ShiroT]

Lol so sasuke's always going at full speed? Not a good assumption dude.

@bold where did I say that? Sasuke has shown impressive speed feats like

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(note where naruto is "uwah") and ending up

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while naruto was still airborne. For some reason you're still assuming sasuke is slower....

Kcm naruto dodged A's attack I'm saying that Sasuke can dodge A's attack too. After all, he has the choku tomoe which you're not taking into account. A's so called unavoidable attack that only has been dodged by minato, that attack was dodged by kcm naruto and I'm saying it can be dodged by ems sasuke too.

ems sasuke has never shown a speed greater then what he's displayed so he doesnt have it. naruto (rarely) has shown that he can get to near instant speeds. sasuke hasnt shown this. if ems sasuke can keep up with naruto. and naruto can get even faster, yet sasuke has never shown to be this fast. naruto > sasuke in speed featwise

naruto isnt using his greater speed or shunsin, idk what to call it. just like minato wasnt using his shunshin. you can tell by the transition

i never said sasuke couldnt dodge ay's attack or block it. i said ay was faster then sasuke. how ever you take that is up to you. just like sage naruto can dodge the 3rd raikage's hit, at the end of the day the 3rd raikage is still faster

 

[lucario14]

ems sasuke has never shown a speed greater then what he's displayed so he doesnt have it. naruto (rarely) has shown that he can get to near instant speeds. sasuke hasnt shown this. naruto > sasuke in speed.

Except when he dodged A. Any less speed and he gets

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naruto isnt using his greater speed or shunsin, idk what to call it. just like minato wasnt using his shunshin. you can tell by the transition

i never said sasuke couldnt dodge ay's attack or block it. i said ay was faster then sasuke. how ever you take that is up to you.

Dude you just said naruto in rage mode can be faster. That's when he dodged A. Unless you think naruto is faster than he is

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then you can say he's faster. If I say sasuke can dodge A's attack, then I'm saying ems sasuke is just as fast as kcm naruto who also dodged A in max speed.

 

[ShiroT]

Except when he dodged A. Any less speed and he gets

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Dude you just said naruto in rage mode can be faster. That's when he dodged A. Unless you think naruto is faster than he is

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then you can say he's faster. If I say sasuke can dodge A's attack, then I'm saying ems sasuke is just as fast as kcm naruto who also dodged A in max speed.

IF sasuke dodged it, it wouldnt be due to him having overwhelming speed. it would be due to his sharingan and prediction. which is a reaction feat. and not a speed feat.

just like sage mode naruto dodging the 3rd raikage. frog sm naruto is not as fast as the 3rd, but he can dodge the hit due to reflexes. yes he has to be fast to dodge the hit but he was only able to dodge it because of reflexes and not overwhelming speed. theres a difference and i think your combining the two.

another example is when sakura dodged the chakra hand from the kaguya biju fusion. that was a reflex feat and not due to sakura being as fast as sound. sasuke maybe be able to keep up with kcm naruto but if he (i guess) entered "rage mode" naruto would be faster then him and sasuke would have to rely on his reflexes, just like sm naruto using his reflexes to beat raikage. i feel like you think im saying sasuke gets speed blitzed

 

[lucario14]

IF sasuke dodged it, it wouldnt be due to him having overwhelming speed. it would be due to his sharingan and prediction. which is a reaction feat. and not a speed feat.

just like sage mode naruto dodging the 3rd raikage. frog sm naruto is not as fast as the 3rd, but he can dodge the hit due to reflexes. yes he has to be fast to dodge the hit but he was only able to dodge it because of reflexes and not overwhelming speed. theres a difference and i think your combining the two.

another example is when sakura dodged the chakra hand from the kaguya biju fusion. that was a reflex feat and not due to sakura being as fast as sound. sasuke maybe be able to keep up with kcm naruto but if he (i guess) entered "rage mode" naruto would be faster then him and sasuke would have to rely on his reflexes, just like sm naruto using his reflexes to beat raikage. i feel like you think im saying sasuke gets speed blitzed

Yea if he's slow but has quick reactions, he's not dodging anything. He needs speed and reflexes to dodge something like that. Otherwise he wouldn't have made it in time to intercept juubito's attack.

Ok when I talk about speed, I'm talking about in battle, not a 100m race Lol. Of course it's a combination between speed and reflexes. Why do people say minato is fast? Footspeed? No It's coz of his reflexes and his ftg. Sasuke is shown to have fast footspeed and fast reflexes making him overall fast in battle.

 

[Dannie]

Ok when I talk about speed, I'm talking about in battle, not a 100m race Lol.

Finally someone who understands the difference. Goddamn.

 

[ShiroT]

Finally someone who understands the difference. Goddamn.

i understand the difference. you are faster then someone if you can get from point a to point b faster. if you punch faster, if you kick faster. thats being faster.

there is a difference then being faster then something and fast enough to dodge something. learn the difference.

the raikage attacks faster and can cover more ground therefor he is faster

 

[ShiroT]

Yea if he's slow but has quick reactions, he's not dodging anything. He needs speed and reflexes to dodge something like that. Otherwise he wouldn't have made it in time to intercept juubito's attack.

Ok when I talk about speed, I'm talking about in battle, not a 100m race Lol. Of course it's a combination between speed and reflexes. Why do people say minato is fast? Footspeed? No It's coz of his reflexes and his ftg. Sasuke is shown to have fast footspeed and fast reflexes making him overall fast in battle.

raikage strikes faster then sasuke and he covers more ground when he runs, he is faster then sasuke.

and yes all the hokages complimented minato on his speed, not his speed with ftg his footspeed

 

[JStar King]

raikage strikes faster then sasuke and he covers more ground when he runs, he is faster then sasuke.

and use all the hokages complimented minato on his speed, not his speed with ftg his footspeed

Kishimoto had to steal Killua's Godspeed just to do it.

 

[Multiply]

Damn, OP just killed the game with this thread.

 

[Filo]

good read to say the least!

 

[lucario14]

raikage strikes faster then sasuke and he covers more ground when he runs, he is faster then sasuke.

and yes all the hokages complimented minato on his speed, not his speed with ftg his footspeed

Lol this shows you did not understand what I just said. No he does not strike faster even ms sasuke got a hit on v1 A, ems sasuke would strike faster than v2 A it's not quantum physics.

People commented on minato's footspeed? Well I guess people would comment more on sasuke's footspeed seeing how he's faster on foot than minato

 

[BloodSeed]

nope its just sasuke fanboys overrated him, but no one can deny manga facts

 

[Luciform]

The story haven't finish yet senpai,, there will be several chapters/months to go so maybe one of them will spot bout kabuto too,,

 

[kaiyokoon]

What I've honestly been wondering during the course of the war arc and the Kaguya fight is if Kishimoto just honestly thought the rinnegan shifting technique was actually that broken that it made him on par with Naruto with his powerups. He showcased Sasuke's teleportation during the Madara fight, granted it was one eyed Madara, but it was a pretty major point of that fight that yes Sasuke can teleport himself and other shit around. I think Kishimoto then thought he'd gone overboard in favor of Sasuke for some odd reason and then started handing naruto this plethora of other abilities and then embellishing the cooldown time on Sasuke's eye. So I can only wonder if either Sasuke's going to show something new at the very last minute, or Kishi's just an idiot as far as what he thought constituted a decent powerup.

I mean seriously, based on the current limitations, Sasuke literally has the worst of all the major space-time jutsu shown in the series. Both versions of FTG blow it out of the water in terms of overall capabilities, and right-eyed Kamui and double kamui absolutely annihilate it, and before anyone says, no, Sasuke's teleportation is not by any means better for combat than any of those. Setting aside my above speculation, yes people definitely massively overrated his abilities. I have no idea why their powers were distributed as they were, but the scale was tipped way in Naruto's favor. I don't say any of this out of dislike for Sasuke, frankly I'm not a fan of Sasuke or Naruto, I much prefer Madara, but yeah, something has been seriously off since they received their powerups. Even though I don't like either of them I can certainly appreciate a cool new ability and I was waiting eagerly issue after issue expecting Sasuke to either showcase some new capabilities or applications of his teleportation or at least show some new abilities, was frankly hoping he'd get Limbo as well, but I would've even settled for him showing the six path abilities.

I'm hoping this next issue sheds some light on something else Sasuke has up his sleeve, cause yes he is definitely not even close to Naruto as it stands and I'd really like to see something new before the manga ends. At this point I would even be happy with Madara giving Sasuke one of his Rinnegan, assuming he still has them or at the least Sasuke gaining or showing that he has wood release.