Was Sasuke really nerfed?

WalksInShadows · Aug 12, 2014

it's probably about time that the reality sets in that Sasuke just isn't as good as purported. He didn't exactly pile up feats against Madara and Obito, so it's not like Kishimoto has all of a sudden decided to do Sasuke foul now.

SuperFlyzzED · Aug 12, 2014

This thread is ridiculous. You can keep posting on why you think Sasuke isn't nerfed. Unless Kishimoto changes his role on this battle, then its safe to say that Kishi has nerfed Sasuke. Also, the gap between Naruto and Sasuke hasn't been huge. People assumed that even KCM Naruto could wipe EMS Sasuke out, how wrong were they? This was the Naruto fanboys, who clearly reek of insecurity for their character. EMS Sasuke was stronger than BM Naruto after we got more action from him in the Juubito fight. It's safe to say that if Sasuke had PS (the one he has right now) in EMS that he either ties with Naruto, or Sasuke has the advantage by a small margin. You can quit trying to make the impression that Sasuke fans are delusional. The trolls who are now supporting Kakashi in here are quite absurd.

Legitimate · Aug 13, 2014

SuperFlyzzED said:
This thread is ridiculous. You can keep posting on why you think Sasuke isn't nerfed. Unless Kishimoto changes his role on this battle, then its safe to say that Kishi has nerfed Sasuke. Also, the gap between Naruto and Sasuke hasn't been huge. People assumed that even KCM Naruto could wipe EMS Sasuke out, how wrong were they? This was the Naruto fanboys, who clearly reek of insecurity for their character. EMS Sasuke was stronger than BM Naruto after we got more action from him in the Juubito fight. It's safe to say that if Sasuke had PS (the one he has right now) in EMS that he either ties with Naruto, or Sasuke has the advantage by a small margin. You can quit trying to make the impression that Sasuke fans are delusional. The trolls who are now supporting Kakashi in here are quite absurd.

How is it possible? Is there a feat from EMS Sasuke greater than deflecting multiple BijuuDama?

KisuneUchiha · Aug 16, 2014

Blackwatch said:
How can it be a nerf when it's always been that way? Sasuke's eye came with a cooldown, it was clear as day except for the wankers. He's just not that strong compared to Naruto or Kakashi.

How does Kakashi have any chance of defeating Sasuke?

Please tell me

SuperChief · Aug 16, 2014

lucario14 said:
I'm saying you have to be a juubi jin or have powers from the sage himself to survive those attacks or dodge them.

And I'm saying you don't. For example, if Sasuke tried to Chidori stab Tsunade or A or anyone on their level like he did to Kaguya, even if he hit her, she'd tank it and repay him.

lucario14 said:
Sasuke was the one who teleported kaguya in between naruto and himself so it was mainly because of him that kaguya had to change dimension. Gravity was affecting everyone right? If she could dodge, why didn't she? Why did she have to resort to changing back to the genesis dimension which drained her chakra even more. Most likely if she didn't do it, she would have gotten hit.

You're not making sense.

lucario14 said:
Lol minato is not keeping up with sasuke. Madara fodderized minato in sage mode, yet he couldn't react to sasuke. That should tell you how fast sasuke is now

You're right, Minato isn't keeping up with Sasuke, because he's much, much faster than Sasuke. Minato gave himself away far too easily in SM, likely because he was trying to distract Madara. You're utterly delusional if you think Sasuke is faster than Minato.

lucario14 said:
Right but it needs those seals. Sasuke can do it without seals so he is at a slight advantage. He can use his tech before minato throws a single kunai.

Minato doesn't need to use his kunai for Hiraishin, and when he arrives he can simply scatter a ton of kunai.

lucario14 said:
You cannot be serious. Why are you assuming naruto is slowing down for sasuke? By that logic I can say sasuke is slowing down for naruto...

Because we know Naruto is much faster than Sasuke. That's a fact. Naruto outpaced A at full speed. Sasuke couldn't keep up with A at his first level. His power ups since have no connection to his physical attributes, i.e. he's not suddenly faster than he was before.

lucario14 said:
sasuke began chasing Madara at a distance greater than his range. His range is not small lol. Also of course he slowed down but how long does ripping out an eye and putting it in his eye socket take exactly? A very short amount of time. Also madara had to motor to get out of sasuke's range before naruto spotted him so it was near or at full speed.

Sasuke is a skilled Shunshin user, and nobody said he's slow, so when Madara stopped to implant Kakashi's eye, he was able to catch up.

Also looooool @ what you're insinuating about Naruto. Get the f-ck outta here. Naruto was busy sealing one of the Limbo clones. If he wasn't, he would've blitzed past Sasuke and gotten to Madara by himself.

lucario14 said:
I'm seeing his face and he isn't smiling when he sees sasuke. He's smiling when he puts the sharingan into his eye. What part of "you're still fast, sasuke" is condescending? Surprise probably...

The look on his face when he was in shock because of sasuke's new powers. Doesn't really matter though.

lol, are you blind? Madara is clearly smiling condescendingly.

lucario14 said:
He said not to underestimate them and decided to get his other eye before their combined attack. I'm reading madara's words. He used that attack to trick them and escape. He knew what to do before the attack.

Right, which means he decided to face them at full power before they got another shot at sealing him. It takes some serious twisting of events to come to the conclusion Madara was running away from Sasuke - who he could've easily stomped out - rather than complete his goals by attaining his second eye.

lucario14 said:
Like I said ems sasuke was as fast as kcm naruto but slower than juubito, who was even faster than bsm naruto. Now he's as fast as juubi jin madara who is as fast if not faster than juubito. He is as fast as a juubi jin so yes he did get faster.

Repeating mistruths doesn't make them true and this illogical power scaling is a poor joke. EMS Sasuke is nowhere near as fast Naruto. He has no feats, and he hasn't gotten faster since he got EMS. You're failing to make sense.

lucario14 said:
Yes they were. Look at that page carefully you'll see debris from the meteor that were bigger than the mountains. Sasuke's may not be bigger than madara's but his is stronger. Much stronger.

It's called an angle. From the angle in that page it only looks like the meteor is bigger than the mountains.

lucario14 said:
He never received any damage. The only damage he received was when naruto hit him with the rasengan
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. That was damage.

Yea could be, with additional rikudo chakra boost

Because he's also durable as shit.

lucario14 said:
From another dimension Lol.

My mistake, I thought you were referring to another point in the manga.

My point still stands however. Orochimaru already confirmed Sasuke is not a sensor type. What Sasuke felt was enormous chakra like he did before when he was on his way to Konoha.

lucario14 said:
I've debunked most of your points so yea. It's clear that you're either trolling, or writing some high end fan fiction.

You might want to look up the meaning of the word debunk because I assure you have done no such thing.

QdonEms · Aug 16, 2014

Sasuke got nerfed. no doubt about it as if giving him 1 rinnegan w/ only 1 jutsu wasnt bad enough now it was a 2 chapter cool-down only after 1 time. notice in the madara fight he used it like 3-5 times in 1 chapter and didnt have a cooldown.

At least balance him out by giving him a cooldown w/ multiple jutsus. unless kishi has a plan to give him another rinnegan which at this point i dont see happening.

Stormblast · Aug 16, 2014

One does not need to nerf someone already weaker than his opponent

Sasuke's pattern of lagging behind is ever-continuing

Killua Zoldyck · Aug 16, 2014

Though I agree about most parts, like how Madara could have countered Sasuke's Shunshin if he wanted to. Their are still some things here and there that are false, like the 3rd Raikage, Minato and Ei being faster then him (If you wish to confront me on this, I will gladly respond).

And I really doubt that Sasuke has shown his full arsenal. As he still has his final fight against Naruto going for him, and it will by no means be easy for Naruto. His S/T definitely has some very OP combinations that he has not used yet and his PS is very deadly offensively speaking. But those two Jutsu surely cannot be all he has going for him, we will see more Jutsu too come. Believe it.

Seventh Sama · Aug 16, 2014

lucario14 said:
That's cool man.

You are right. However, the sage did not just give sasuke ocular power. Notice the mark on his left hand? This is Yin power, so he has acquired Yin release. He has also acquired the sage's chakra directly (50% to be exact) but I'll get to that later.

If his opponent wasn't kaguya or if they didn't have limbo as one of their techniques, chances are they
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or
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. Let's talk about sasuke's "instant travel". Sasuke's rinne tech made kaguya change dimension,
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,
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. Naruto made her change
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. If someone like kaguya has to resort to something that involves expending a large amount of chakra to escape, I think the rinne tech is quite a factor in battle.

Minato - For minato to use ftg, a marking needs to be made. He usually does this by throwing kunai. Sasuke doesn't need to throw kunai so he's faster

A - Ok we see
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that kcm naruto dodged A's attack. We also know that ems sasuke is just as, if not
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. So we already can say ems sasuke is as fast as A. Current sasuke would be even faster but I'll get to why the sage's chakra has boosted ALL of sasuke's attributes shortly.

Tobirama - See minato

3rd Raikage - See A

Madara - When madara used limbo to escape naruto's and sasuke's attack, he was going at full speed and was identified at a distance
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. Now we know that sasuke cannot use his rinne tech simultaneously because all he needed to do
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was teleport closer to his range then use his swap tech. Why did he run to get in range? The answer is he cannot use his tech straight after he's already used it. He already used it against madara
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so he can't use it anytime after. This means that he used PURE footspeed to catch up to madara and bisect him. Even when madara had a headstart, a distance so big it was out of sasuke's range, sasuke caught up to him when madara grabbed kakashi's eye. Before you say, he thought a whole sentence, NO. Thinking a sentence doesn't take much time at all. Certainly less time than engaging in any muscle movement to react that's for sure. Sasuke was so fast, madara couldn't even react after he caught up.

Guy - Guy is faster, no doubt about it.

All this is your opinion. I don't see madara smiling, nor do I think he was being condescending Lol.

Umm, you showed one picture of sasuke's sword impaling madara. The rest is him thinking about sasuke's rinne tech and his battle skills.

I can turn this question on it's head.....When Guy was attacking him, madara stated he wanted more. When sasuke attacked him, madara stated that he needed to get his other eye. I'm not sure about you but I think madara is far more weary of sasuke than of guy. Madara needed to run away from facing him however he enjoyed a battle against guy because he interested him and madara knew he was superior from this piece of
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.

Again, real cool man...Ok i'll answer the question from earlier.
Sasuke received 50% of the sage of six paths power. This power up included Rinnegan, Yin release and obviously Rikudou's chakra.
Yin release comes from his left hand, like naruto's yang release comes from his right hand. We haven't seen what this Yin release can do but we do know what naruto's yang release can (restore chakra to guy, obito, restore kakashi's eye etc).

Now the sage's chakra...

Speed - I have already explained how sasuke got faster than he was in ems so lets leave that out...

Power - Sasuke's susanoo was able to slice through meteors that dwarfed mountain ranges. Look at the
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. Ems Madara's PS couldn't even take on the shinsuusenju (10000 hand Buddha) but sasuke's could destroy something far bigger and stronger (Rock vs wood). Ems sasuke's susanoo was not capable of such a feat so he got enhanced power from the sage's chakra.

Chakra - Ms Sasuke before found it painful to maintain susanoo. Ems sasuke maintained PS for a very limited time (fused with naruto's bsm and needed jugo's chakra). Current sasuke has been using PS a LOT. His chakra reserves have increased too.

Senjutsu? - Recall that juubi jins have onmyoudon, meaning they
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It doesn't work on them. How do you think sasuke cut through madara then? Taijutsu? Lol. Maybe sasuke saying he
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might give you some indication. Senjutsu = enhanced power so sasuke's chidori became more powerful.

Sensing? = I'm not sure about this one but
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that he sensed naruto's chakra. Maybe it's only naruto's chakra.....

Ocular - I don't need to explain...*cough negate IT cough*

So there you have it... Maybe sasuke isn't nerfed but you're reasoning is poor

@bold
Oh my lels
Was Naruto going top speed in that panel? No he wasn't.
/ argument

ShiroT · Aug 16, 2014

Klad said:
At some point, both Sasuke and Kaguya are nerfed. If anything, a better battle would actually be Sasuke vs Kaguya alone, to show their true powers. Since Naruto has shown almost all his arsenal already, like Rasengan elemental variations etc.

we already know that a ps cant = kaguya.

them going 1v1 is basically a game of cat and mouse

V h o · Aug 16, 2014

My question to everyone who is saying Sasuke was nerf'd, how can a power up nerf someone?

Gagster · Aug 16, 2014

No .

ShiroT · Aug 16, 2014

lucario14 said:
I'm saying you have to be a juubi jin or have powers from the sage himself to survive those attacks or dodge them.

Sasuke was the one who teleported kaguya in between naruto and himself so it was mainly because of him that kaguya had to change dimension. Gravity was affecting everyone right? If she could dodge, why didn't she? Why did she have to resort to changing back to the genesis dimension which drained her chakra even more. Most likely if she didn't do it, she would have gotten hit.

Lol minato is not keeping up with sasuke. Madara fodderized minato in sage mode, yet he couldn't react to sasuke. That should tell you how fast sasuke is now

Right but it needs those seals. Sasuke can do it without seals so he is at a slight advantage. He can use his tech before minato throws a single kunai.

You cannot be serious. Why are you assuming naruto is slowing down for sasuke? By that logic I can say sasuke is slowing down for naruto...

sasuke began chasing Madara at a distance greater than his range. His range is not small lol. Also of course he slowed down but how long does ripping out an eye and putting it in his eye socket take exactly? A very short amount of time. Also madara had to motor to get out of sasuke's range before naruto spotted him so it was near or at full speed.

I'm seeing his face and he isn't smiling when he sees sasuke. He's smiling when he puts the sharingan into his eye. What part of "you're still fast, sasuke" is condescending? Surprise probably...

The look on his face when he was in shock because of sasuke's new powers. Doesn't really matter though.

He said not to underestimate them and decided to get his other eye before their combined attack. I'm reading madara's words. He used that attack to trick them and escape. He knew what to do before the attack.

Like I said ems sasuke was as fast as kcm naruto but slower than juubito, who was even faster than bsm naruto. Now he's as fast as juubi jin madara who is as fast if not faster than juubito. He is as fast as a juubi jin so yes he did get faster.

Yes they were. Look at that page carefully you'll see debris from the meteor that were bigger than the mountains. Sasuke's may not be bigger than madara's but his is stronger. Much stronger.

He never received any damage. The only damage he received was when naruto hit him with the rasengan
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. That was damage.

Yea could be, with additional rikudo chakra boost

From another dimension Lol.

I've debunked most of your points so yea. It's clear that you're either trolling, or writing some high end fan fiction.

your a fanboy if you think kcm naruto is = ems sasuke in speed. naruto when using his speed were able to speed blitz zetsu's and dodge A. ems sasuke has never been known for his speed and when he was with naruto, naruto has never used his full speed.

i dont know where your getting this from

Dannie · Aug 16, 2014

Sasuke has a pair of eyes which takes a strain, and half of the sages chakra. It's pretty sad how you expect someone to be on par with someone who tamed 9 Bijuu and already has high reserves of chakra to begin with, not to mention half of the sages power also.

This is not Sasuke's true power as we don't even know the full capabilities of his Rinnegan tech. EMS Sasuke was also able to keep up with KCM and BM Naruto, so for those who are saying otherwise needs to read the manga. I can bring up many instances of Sasuke showing up KCM and BM Naruto in regards to speed.

ShiroT · Aug 16, 2014

Fuhrer of Uchiha said:
Sasuke has a pair of eyes which takes a strain, and half of the sages chakra. It's pretty sad how you expect someone to be on par with someone who tamed 9 Bijuu and already has high reserves of chakra to begin with, not to mention half of the sages power also.

This is not Sasuke's true power as we don't even know the full capabilities of his Rinnegan tech. EMS Sasuke was also able to keep up with KCM and BM Naruto, so for those who are saying otherwise needs to read the manga. I can bring up many instances of Sasuke showing up KCM and BM Naruto in regards to speed.

naruto barely uses his speed. he has only used it in raikage fight and when he blitzed zetsu. any other time that was just regular speed. people need to learn this

V h o · Aug 16, 2014

ShiroT said:
naruto barely uses his speed. he has only used it in raikage fight and when he blitzed zetsu. any other time that was just regular speed. people need to learn this

People know this but still believe keeping up equals surpassing or that Naruto is running constantly at full speed. Zzz

ShiroT · Aug 16, 2014

Volk said:
People know this but still believe keeping up equals surpassing or that Naruto is running constantly at full speed. Zzz

some people even think itachi was able to keep up with naruto at top speed Lol

Dannie · Aug 16, 2014

ShiroT said:
naruto barely uses his speed. he has only used it in raikage fight and when he blitzed zetsu. any other time that was just regular speed. people need to learn this

Yeah sure. Blame Naruto's stupidity for not using his full speed to deny that Sasuke was able to keep up with KCM Naruto in feats. I don't care about your "what if's" or excuses for Naruto. The point is that Sasuke was holding his own beside Naruto many times against Juubito. Only blind fanboys fail to see this.

V h o · Aug 16, 2014

ShiroT said:
some people even think itachi was able to keep up with naruto at top speed Lol

A healthy Itachi with FTC is comparable to Minato U_U lel.

Fuhrer of Uchiha said:
Yeah sure. Blame Naruto's stupidity for not using his full speed to deny that Sasuke was able to keep up with KCM Naruto in feats. I don't care about your "what if's" or excuses for Naruto. The point is that Sasuke was holding his own beside Naruto many times against Juubito. Only blind fanboys fail to see this.

Naruto didn't use "full speed" against the Raikage when he