What, Sasuke is going to sit around and do nothing whilst Onoki causally walks over to Gaara and then proceeds to lighten his sand and the sand of the entire adjacent area? Makes so much sense and it's indeed a very logical argument. Madara doesn't have Nagashi nor Raiton release techs. Sasuke easily cancels this. Madara doesn't even have Amaterasu. One spawn burns this guy to the ground and the match is literally over. And what exactly does that image prove?
No, I believe you are if you believe a Raiton user is taken out of the Susanoo by a Sand user. Or that an instant spawn of a flame that can't be put out wouldn't make any difference at all in this battle. It's almost silly.
What, Sasuke is going to sit around and do nothing whilst Onoki causally walks over to Gaara and then proceeds to lighten his sand and the sand of the entire adjacent area? Makes so much sense and it's indeed a very logical argument. Madara doesn't have Nagashi nor Raiton release techs. Sasuke easily cancels this. Madara doesn't even have Amaterasu. One spawn burns this guy to the ground and the match is literally over. And what exactly does that image prove?
The sand being light isn't what yanked marada out -_- all it did was make the sand faster. Gaara's techs aren't even Earth style-_- the only element he has is wind. and as we've seen via gokage v madara electricity doesn't do jack shit to gaara sand effectiveness.
Seriously. read kishimoto's manga.
No, I believe you are if you believe a Raiton user is taken out of the Susanoo by a Sand user. Or that an instant spawn of a flame that can't be put out wouldn't make any difference at all in this battle. It's almost silly.
The sand being light isn't what yanked marada out -_- all it did was make the sand faster. Gaara's techs aren't even Earth style-_- the only element he has is wind. and as we've seen via gokage v madara electricity doesn't do jack shit to gaara sand effectiveness.
Yes, it did help penetrate the Susanoo. Onoki kinda mentions it, unless, you can't seem to read:
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It gets negated either way. Also, making the sand faster makes it penetrate Susanoo? Haha, that makes no sense. So, your argument is pretty pointless. Sand has shown to be extremely weak before offensive Raiton. I mean, part I clearly comes to mind. That is all there is to it. Raikage's Raiton doesn't do anything to Onoki either, and he's literally clinging to him. Is this the best you can come up with?
Le above. But if you dont know that much then. . . well its pointless arguing against the ill informed.
What is ill-informed? It's almost silly how you want to completely throw Amaterasu out of the equation. Onoki is dead at the onset of the match and nothing you say changes that.
where in the scan does onnoki say "light sand will give you the ability to get madara" nowhere.
It gets negated either way. Also, making the sand faster makes it penetrate Susanoo? Haha, that makes no sense. So, your argument is pretty pointless. Sand has shown to be extremely weak before offensive Raiton. I mean, part I clearly comes to mind. That is all there is to it. Raikage's Raiton doesn't do anything to Onoki either, and he's literally clinging to him. Is this the best you can come up with?
Exactly. Thank you for making it clear that what onoki did isn't what let garra separate madara from his susanno -_-
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offensife raiton not weakened.
What is ill-informed? It's almost silly how you want to completely throw Amaterasu out of the equation. Onoki is dead at the onset of the match and nothing you say changes that.
This is too silly. Why wasn't he able to do that before? In fact, Gaara states, "with sand this light, I could ... !" I wonder what he means?! It's as if, gasp, he's talking about pulling Madara out of his Suanoo! Not only that Gaara has never displayed this ability without Onoki.
A sand merged with water, you mean? It's like you are throwing away what happened in Part I. It's cute. I mean, is this even an offensive usage like Chidori? The fact that the Thrid Raikage has to focus extra Raiton on his hand despite possessing an armour proves otherwise.
So you say. Doesn't make it a fact, though. And, of course, he can. He can use two Amaterasus easily in a single fight. One at the onset and the other any time he wants. A snake summon is also there. A Hawk, too. Sasuke has too many options at his disposal.
This is too silly. Why wasn't he able to do that before? In fact, Gaara states, "with sand this light, I could ... !" I wonder what he means?! It's as if, gasp, he's talking about pulling Madara out of his Suanoo! Not only that Gaara has never displayed this ability without Onoki.
So unless your saying "he cant control the sand at people's feet without ononoki making the sand light"
Something he actually does have plenty of feats for (look at edo kage, look at kimmi, hes been doing it since part 1)
drop this line of idiotic nonsense.
A sand merged with water, you mean? It's like you are throwing away what happened in Part I. It's cute.
:kk: water makes lightning stronger and it still didn't do jack shit to garra's sand :kk:
nobody disputed the piercing capabilities of chidori but youre here jumping out the window saying all raiton nullifies gaara's sand when infact that was simply never the case.
So you say. Doesn't make it a fact, though. And, of course he can. He can use two Amaterasus easily in a single fight. One at the onset and the other any time he wants. A snake summon is also there. A Hawk, too. Sasuke has too many options at his disposal.
And this crap is why i nipped your ama argument in the bud. I give u a centimeter and you attempt to take a mile, when the fact is amongst the 5 there's a plethora of ways to get around ama.
So, you proved my point? Onoki even states that he's good to go for the attack. Keep playing this card. It's funny. And didn't I tell you that's useless anyway? But then, you have that "Raiton doesn't work against sand" card thing going on to counter this nonsense.
So unless your saying "he cant control the sand at people's feet without ononoki making the sand light"
Something he actually does have plenty of feats for (look at edo kage, look at kimmi, hes been doing it since part 1)
drop this line of idiotic nonsense.
Wait, why didn't he do it before, then? Madara is there and his Susanoo is there, and yet, it's only when he lightens the sand does it actually happen? Not only that you actually seem to believe that the inside of Susanoo is hollow, which is ****ing laughable.
water makes lightning stronger and it still didn't do jack shit to garra's sand
nobody disputed the piercing capabilities of chidori but youre here jumping out the window saying all raiton nullifies gaara's sand when infact that was simply never the case.
And this crap is why i nipped your ama argument in the bud. I give u a centimeter and you attempt to take a mile, when the fact is amongst the 5 there's a plethora of ways to get around ama.
Does it? A no-named Raiton attack is being used for an argument here. Sand was contained within water dragon like a sludge, not the other way around; it's literally molded in the water tech and has assumed its shape. The water-dragon is its container:
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And, it was so damn powerful that a non-Raiton user overcame it in an instant:
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Your argument is so damned pointless. How powerful was this lightning as an attack? Of course Nagashi nullifies it as it's put out from the entire body offensively. It can be put out in one direction as well. It's a far more powerful attack compared to a streak of Raiton or two that didn't do anything. Ae has no offensive lightning feats. This single one was laughabily ineffective. This flimsy one doesn't help your case.
How? All of them put out V2 Ae's level speed? Sure, they do. Gaara's sand is faster than the spawn, too. Mei and Tsunade are super fast as well. Who am I kidding? Of course, you are right. They all lumber around and Sasuke sits down and sucks on his thumb.
Based on fanfic? Sasuke and Madara are indra incarnates, they're exceptional. Itachi was a prodigy like Minato, obviously he wrecks but not without difficulty. To say fodder with 3t solo kage is beyond me, heck itachi and obito seemingly slaughtered the uchiha low diff and you mean to tell me they're kage level? I don't think so.
Garra wasn't able to do anything to Sasuke in the Kage summit. Sasuke can make garra easily lose sight of him. Sasuke can turn his own jutsu agains him with his sharingan. Susanoo > Sand in defense and offense. susanoo penetrates his sand before he can even react. Sasuke chidori > Garra sand
What's funny about it. Kakashi shits bricks when he meets 3 tomeo Itachi, who confirms that even though Kakashi has mastery over the sharingan he's no match for an Uchiha(general statement).
Chiyo confirms when fighting an Uchiha you always need to be in a pair of 2 (I'm assuming 3 tomeo because their genjutsu power is at its peak).
Sasuke confirms that Orochimaru (above kage level) and the elite are nothing special in front of those with blessed eyes.
Tobirama confirms when an Uchiha whose knows pain experiences love followed by loss he awakens a power not even the senju can rival. That's the sharingan.
Shisui 3 tomeo is an elite of Itachi's level or greater to beat him Danzi actually got an aburame to poison him called Subaru(Itachi shinden)
3 tomeo fugaku was of the same level if not greater than Minato during the 3rd war with 3 tomeo sharingan. (Itachi shinden).
These are facts like I said a 3 tomeo Uchiha with proper training is above kage level since effectively they can copy and learn neatly anything. They have instant genjutsu, They can see with clarity and keep up with fast moving objects. They have predictive sight etc.
Mangafacts pawn your delusions.
Considering that the Kage were surviving against Madara's PS clones, i'm not going to accept that a new MS user is enough to overwhelm most of the standing Kage. Danzo and likely Tsunade lose. Ay is a questionable tie, Mei, Onoki and Gaara can win high difficulty. That for me, places early MS Sasuke at low-mid Kage before he goes blind.
Considering that the Kage were surviving against Madara's PS clones, i'm not going to accept that a new MS user is enough to overwhelm most of the standing Kage. Danzo and likely Tsunade lose. Ay is a questionable tie, Mei, Onoki and Gaara can win high difficulty. That for me, places early MS Sasuke at low-mid Kage before he goes blind.
Based on fanfic? Sasuke and Madara are indra incarnates, they're exceptional. Itachi was a prodigy like Minato, obviously he wrecks but not without difficulty. To say fodder with 3t solo kage is beyond me, heck itachi and obito seemingly slaughtered the uchiha low diff and you mean to tell me they're kage level? I don't think so.
