Was Itachi's chakra always low?

[Rikudou Tobi]

No, read below.

No, read what fukasaku said, "you already know how to balance mental / spirit energies to create chakra for Ninjutsu". He's clearly talking about ninjutsu, not senjutsu (which he adds later).

Regarding what shikamaru says:

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As with genjutsu, the doki Tayuya summons and their worms are based on Yin release (and Shikamaru hints that, since he says they don't have substance). Yin is only one type of chakra category, which would explain as a matter of fact why Itachi
was good with Genjutsu and why all uchihas can cast genjutsu with Sharingan, but that in turn means he cannot use the other types (katon, the dojutsus, etc) as efficiently, since the chakra ratio is not leaned towards spiritual energy (katon might be an exception, since it may be possible that it was his chakra element affinity). Basically what we know is that all nature transformations share spiritual / physical energies in balanced parts, Yin (like the Nara's clan shadow techniques) uses more spiritual and Yang (Like Akimichi's size changing techniques) uses more physical.

So basically what I mean is that Itachi's reserves, distributed as they are (and taking into account that Uchiha inhereted spiritual energy from SO6P), are geared towards a more efficient and prolonged use of Yin release, which doesn't mean he had vast reserves to use the other chakra manipulations as efficiently as this one.

Well, this got interesting all of a sudden, I've never paid too much attention to the chakra natures and stuff other than the basic 5 nature transformations.

What fukasaku said is in regards to basic ninjutsu and extra but what you're saying is a bit contradicting because you're agreeing with me about itachi using more mental energy jutsus and disagreeing with me in terms of the balance thing.
Shikamaru said that it is a "semi substance" that it's a chakra with an appetite. You can't have chakra without both physical and mental energy, but the thing lacked enough physical energy. He's saying that regardless of what it is, it's still chakra a ninjutsu but it only lacks enough physical energy to have a physical form.
The Nara clans shadow possession does not have a physical form, correct? That means it comprises of mostly mental energy than it does physical energy similar to like Tayuya's jutsu, right?

So you are correct that Itachi geared towards jutsus that had more mental energy than physical energy but in the end of the day it is still a jutsu and you can not use ninjutsu/genjutsu without chakra and you cannot use chakra without both mental energy and physical energy regardless of which one is greater than the other.

And in no way did I said that Itachi's chakra is vast but it's sure no low either.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

1. It says it's starved for physical energy to be stabilized not balanced out.

cmon bruh -_- stabilize and balance out are synomyms in this context

2. It proves my point because it lacks enough physical energy (stamina) but is still a ninjutsu. MightGai said that it must be balanced to create chakra/ninjutsu here is Tayuya's jutsu being unbalance. He didn't know that the scan he provided was strictly for senjutsu for both energies to be balanced to utilize natural energy.

a ninjutsu in search of stability. Looking for yang. Meaning its unstable chakra

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You basically were

I literally said i wasn't. -_-

My god stfu. He eventually figured out that he MS in part 2 and during part 1 he was complaining that the 3 tomoe took too much chakra from him. I will pull up a scan right now to make you drop this nonsense

Don't make idiotic claims, and don't switch up your argument.

Kakashi isn't uchiha so using sharingan is far more taxing on him. Him having more stamina wouldn't change that.

Itachi's chakra control is amazing. He doesn't waste anything, and his arsenal is tailored towards his chakra affinity. But his stamina is still shite.

Stamina! You can literally post the databook yourself. And again he used genjutsu and 3 of those clones before his fight with Sasuke. Chakra has already been spent

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chakra. There i posted it

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

cmon bruh -_- stabilize and balance out are synomyms in this context

It's just looking to stabilize, that doesn't mean that it needs to be exactly balanced to be stabilize. It's still a shadow style ninjutsu you don't need that much physical energy to cast it. :|

a ninjutsu in search of stability. Looking for yang. Meaning its unstable chakra

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Still a ninjutsu, what are you not understanding here? The purpose of that attack is to consume physical energy coming out of the mouth of those 3 demons. That's my whole point. :|

Don't make idiotic claims, and don't switch up your argument.

Kakashi isn't uchiha so using sharingan is far more taxing on him. Him having more stamina wouldn't change that.

Itachi's chakra control is amazing. He doesn't waste anything, and his arsenal is tailored towards his chakra affinity. But his stamina is still shite.

Nothing is being changed. You're just being a moron again. Uchiha's inherit the mental energy to use their sharingan powers non the less it's still taxing to them too. And the Mangekyo Sharingan even more so. So you have to be complete stupid to believe that you can awaken the mangekyo sharingan and have low chakra at the same time. Even Itachi said Kakashi has done well for someone who is not Uchiha and still it's too much.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

It's just looking to stabilize, that doesn't mean that it needs to be exactly balanced to be stabilize. It's still a shadow style ninjutsu you don't need that much physical energy to cast it. :|

im saying its unstable chakra, thats all

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Still a ninjutsu, what are you not understanding here? The purpose of that attack is to consume physical energy coming out of the mouth of those 3 demons. That's my whole point. :|

which would in turn stabilize the chakra. Im saying using that technique as an example is a stretch given the fact that the chakra itself isn't balanced.

Nothing is being changed. You're just being a moron again.

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then kakashi should have a lower stamina than 3 in his states because in part 1 he didn't have enough chakra to use the mangekyo sharingan until part 2 which Itachi had since part 1.

Kakashi should have lower stamina stat because he doesn't have enough chakra to use MS

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He eventually figured out that he MS in part 2 and during part 1 he was complaining that the 3 tomoe took too much chakra from him

Kakashi should have lower stamina stat because 3 tome was taxing.


Thats changing your argument idiot.

Uchiha's inherit the mental energy to use their sharingan powers non the less it's still taxing to them too. And the Mangekyo Sharingan even more so. Even Itachi said Kakashi has done well for someone who is not Uchiha and still it's too much.

Actually 3 tome isn't taxing at all, for an uchiha.

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But that's not the argument. It's made very clear that Non uchiha's get tired faster due to the eye so using kakashi as a measuring pole for itachi is pointless since the eye affects them drastically differently.

So you have to be complete stupid to believe that you can awaken the mangekyo sharingan and have low chakra at the same time.

Awakening ms has no correlation to the amount of chakra one possesses. There is no, "have x amount of chakra and kill your best friend clause" anywhere.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

im saying its unstable chakra, thats all

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Still a ninjutsu, what are you not understanding here? The purpose of that attack is to consume physical energy coming out of the mouth of those 3 demons. That's my whole point. :|

which would in turn stabilize the chakra. Im saying using that technique as an example is a stretch given the fact that the chakra itself isn't balanced.

I don’t care. The Demons that release that worm from the body is purposed to release a ninjutsu where it feasts on people’s physical energy. My point still stands because that’s the purpose of the ninjutsu just like how the nara clans shadow possession has less physical energy than mental energy. It’s not suppose to be balance.

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Kakashi should have lower stamina stat because he doesn't have enough chakra to use MS

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Kakashi should have lower stamina stat because 3 tome was taxing.


Thats changing your argument idiot.

Nothing changed dumbass. The point is that the eyes are still taxing regardless mangekyo being the latter. Itachi gets more taxed with his mangekyo than Kakashi with a 3 tomoe yet still 3 stars on DB.

Actually 3 tome isn't taxing at all, for an uchiha.

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You do realize that he’s saying that he can conserve chakra by using his eyes and not the curse seal because it tax more chakra than th eyes? Because what you’re essentially saying is that Uchihas don’t lose chakra when using the sharingan. :|

But that's not the argument. It's made very clear that Non uchiha's get tired faster due to the eye so using kakashi as a measuring pole for itachi is pointless since the eye affects them drastically differently.

Awakening ms has no correlation to the amount of chakra one possesses. There is no, "have x amount of chakra and kill your best friend clause" anywhere.

Yes it does. Otherwise why didn’t Kakashi use kamui in part 1 and why didn’t Madara have the mangekyo when his two brothers died? He awakened his mangekyo when Izuna was alive.
Emotional distress/Great disappointment in one self evolutes the eyes but to use the power frequently requires a high level of chakra.

 

[Michael]

Itachi's chakra was never particularly low, just his stamina due to sickness.

 

[HENI]

His chakra should be around the same level as Sasuke. They are bros after all.

Well that's right

 

[HENI]

Itachi's chakra was never particularly low, just his stamina due to sickness.

Isn't stamina and chakra the same?

 

[Michael]

Isn't stamina and chakra the same?

Not exactly.
Chakra = physical and spiritual energy. Where as stamina is your body ability to sustain prolonged physical or mental effort. For instance Naruto has extremely high chakra reserves but if for some reason he fell ill and was bed ridden he'd appear to be extremely weak due to low stamina, doesn't mean he has low chakra reserves.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

I don’t care. The Demons that release that worm from the body is purposed to release a ninjutsu where it feasts on people’s physical energy. My point still stands because that’s the purpose of the ninjutsu just like how the nara clans shadow possession has less physical energy than mental energy. It’s not suppose to be balance.

so your only example is one that has chakra so badly balanced that it's insable. Good to note.

Nothing changed dumbass. The point is that the eyes are still taxing regardless mangekyo being the latter. Itachi gets more taxed with his mangekyo than Kakashi with a 3 tomoe yet still 3 stars on DB.

>Points out that youre argument changed(what is this 3 times now?)
>Still tries to claim its the same.

The counter argument to all 3 of your pathetic claims is since kakashi's body is not genetically adapted to using the sharingan it fatigues him at extremely quickly. Said counter argument is backed by itachi parroting that very same sentiment, and kakashi confirming it towards himself. We both know the scan but im sure you'll play the fool so here it is:

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And since itachi's body is genetically adapted its nowhere near as taxing.


Prove the bold

You do realize that he’s saying that he can conserve chakra by using his eyes and not the curse seal because it tax more chakra than th eyes? Because what you’re essentially saying is that Uchihas don’t lose chakra when using the sharingan. :|

i love how you jumped from the bold to the under line, even though it's not what i'm saying at all. What do you not know what the word taxing means? Fine i'll say it again. This time smaller words=
It's not demanding for an uchiha to use 3 tome.

Yes it does. Otherwise why didn’t Kakashi use kamui in part 1

can't use what you don't know you have. I mean why didn't sasuke use his sharingan in the period between the massacre and haku? thats your shit logic

and why didn’t Madara have the mangekyo when his two brothers died? He awakened his mangekyo when Izuna was alive.

madara didn't even have the sharingan when his brothers died, and we know its killing his best friend, not his brother that awakened it(i wonder who that was since it ain't hashirama or izuna...)

Emotional distress/Great disappointment in one self evolutes the eyes but to use the power frequently requires a high level of chakra.

underline not so much(bar susanno), that depends on what ability you get from rngesus.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

so your only example is one that has chakra so badly balanced that it's insable. Good to note.

What?
The reason why I chose Tayuya is because Shikamaru said that she has special chakra just like him which utilizes more mental energy than physical energy. The purpose of Tayuya's jutsu is to emit a worm that absorbs physical energy, the jutsu itself isn't so badly unstabled otherwise those 3 demons would not exist.
So if you want to be a condescending ignorant ****, then stop wasting my time. You clearly see what I'm saying is right so drop the dumb shit.

>Points out that youre argument changed(what is this 3 times now?)
>Still tries to claim its the same.

The counter argument to all 3 of your pathetic claims is since kakashi's body is not genetically adapted to using the sharingan it fatigues him at extremely quickly. Said counter argument is backed by itachi parroting that very same sentiment, and kakashi confirming it towards himself. We both know the scan but im sure you'll play the fool so here it is:

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And since itachi's body is genetically adapted its nowhere near as taxing.


Prove the bold

>Sharingan doesn't tax the uchiha
>Argues that the mangekyo sharingan isn't more taxing than the 3 tomoe sharingan despite the

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... You want to argue that now?

You're an annoying troll

i love how you jumped from the bold to the under line, even though it's not what i'm saying at all. What do you not know what the word taxing means? Fine i'll say it again. This time smaller words=
It's not demanding for an uchiha to use 3 tome.

Dumbass, read the context of what he's saying. It is not that hard. The 3 tomoe is just less taxing than the curse seal. That's it.

can't use what you don't know you have. I mean why didn't sasuke use his sharingan in the period between the massacre and haku? thats your shit logic
madara didn't even have the sharingan when his brothers died, and we know its killing his best friend, not his brother that awakened it(i wonder who that was since it ain't hashirama or izuna...)

1. Sasuke passed out when he awakened the sharingan during the massacre
2. Bold: Best friend and not his brother? So I guess Sasuke isn't Itachi's brother then when he awakened his MS?
Madara had no best friend, only his brothers meant everything to him even Hashirama said that.

underline not so much(bar susanno), that depends on what ability you get from rngesus.

And yet Sasuke and Tobi disagrees during the Hachibi fight you annoying troll.

I'm done with you here because all you're doing is this stupid troll shit with the Hashirama thread I spanked you in. You even went as far as to argue that Hashirama can redirect a biju bomb by himself when everyone else in that section including the manga said that he needed help.

 

[Rikudou Tobi]

This ends here. I'm done with your idiotic trolling. Even Michael agrees with Itachi not having low chakra, you're the only idiot that thinks he does after everything the manga has done and said.

 

[Amenotejikara]

Itachi’s chakra is low yet Hebi Sasuke ran out of chakra before Itachi did, and this is the same Hebi Sasuke that outlasted Deidara in their fight.

When we all stop confusing stamina(physical energy) with chakra then we would all know that Itachi never had low chakra. You can’t have low chakra and use the mangekyo sharingan. It’s impossible.

Correct.

''Hurr, Itachi's chakra is low'' - people who can't differentiate chakra from stamina. Although the two correlate, they're not the same thing. Itachi's chakra reserves are high, as proven by you, it's his endurance that's lacking.

By the way, you missed his forming of V3 Susano'o to protect him from Kirin.

 

[lndra]

Itachi's chakra was never low, but his stamina was probably cracking since he was near his last stages of life in the Sasuke fight. Even then he performed pretty well.

 

[Michael]

Itachi's chakra was never low, but his stamina was probably cracking since he was near his last stages of life in the Sasuke fight. Even then he performed pretty well.

Agreed. The problem here is that the newbies don't know the difference between chakra and stamina. XD

 

[lndra]

Agreed. The problem here is that the newbies don't know the difference between chakra and stamina. XD

People need to stop correlating a character being weak when he/she is on her deathbed already. :lol

Itachi was NOT in his prime against Sasuke.

 

[Edogawa]

His maximum usage of MS was 3 times a day; if he used it more as he did with Sasuke, he would die from exhaustion which was what happened. So yes, his Chakra reserves were always very low. It's the reason he didn't like to prolong battles.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

What?
The reason why I chose Tayuya is because Shikamaru said that she has special chakra just like him which utilizes more mental energy than physical energy. The purpose of Tayuya's jutsu is to emit a worm that absorbs physical energy, the jutsu itself isn't so badly unstabled otherwise those 3 demons would not exist.
So if you want to be a condescending ignorant ****, then stop wasting my time. You clearly see what I'm saying is right so drop the dumb shit.

Its a collab jutsu with the demons. In Fact the chakra is so unstable that i has to be sealed inside of them, before use the 3 demons themselves aren't really apart of it. Hence why i said this tech is such a stretch.

>Sharingan doesn't tax the uchiha

glad you finally agree

>Argues that the mangekyo sharingan isn't more taxing than the 3 tomoe sharingan despite the

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... You want to argue that now?

i never argued that. U made those claims then tried to parlay them off on me. Hence why I asked you to prove it

My argument always was and is You CANNOT USE KAKASHI AS A MEASURING STICK for itachi since he's not adapted to the eye. Its not an apples to apples comparison so bringing him up at all is moot.

Now you make a new argument; bring in MS sasuke (who doesn't even have DB stats since the 3rd DB dropped well before that) and expect me to argue it for you.

You're an annoying troll

real rich coming from you

Dumbass, read the context of what he's saying. It is not that hard. The 3 tomoe is just less taxing than the curse seal. That's it.

It's not in relation to the curse mark.

1. Sasuke passed out when he awakened the sharingan during the massacre
2. Bold: Best friend and not his brother? So I guess Sasuke isn't Itachi's brother then when he awakened his MS?
Madara had no best friend, only his brothers meant everything to him even Hashirama said that.

1.Him awakening the sharingan isn't why he passed out, nor is it an answer to the question I asked.
2.You and i know full well I'm talking about madara here.

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we know he didnt kill izuna and he's the only brother left still alive before madara even awakened his standard sharingan. Doesnt really matter tho, its just a thought that popped in my when when i wrote the original statement. So drop it.

And yet Sasuke and Tobi disagrees during the Hachibi fight you annoying troll.

Amaterasu is a chakra taxing tech, I said it depended on what Ms abilities you awakened. Not including susanoo since every person that awakens MS in both gets susanoo. How exactly do they disagree? Sasuke got ama which costs a lot of chakra. Whereas Tobi got kamui which based on how liberally he used it (especially phasing) probably didn't cost that much. In Fact we can take it a step further, the amount of chakra kakashi's kamui uses has a direct correlation to the size of the wormhole he creates so it can be argued that his MS wont cost that much if he makes a wormhole the size of a needle. Use your head for once.

I'm done with you here because all you're doing is this stupid troll shit with the Hashirama thread I spanked you in. You even went as far as to argue that Hashirama can redirect a biju bomb by himself when everyone else in that section including the manga said that he needed help.

Hashirama is already on record redirecting a biju bomb u never proved how SM makes the bombs uncatchable, because as i already said Power of chakra=/=size of chakra which funnily enough also applies here.

This ends here. I'm done with your idiotic trolling. Even Michael agrees with Itachi not having low chakra, you're the only idiot that thinks he does after everything the manga has done and said.

u think i give a fck what michael thinks? lmfao

 

[Uchihauzamakibarrage]

His chakra was never low, medium at the worse. Sasuke’s chakra more powerful though.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Not exactly.
Chakra = physical and spiritual energy. Where as stamina is your body ability to sustain prolonged physical or mental effort. For instance Naruto has extremely high chakra reserves but if for some reason he fell ill and was bed ridden he'd appear to be extremely weak due to low stamina, doesn't mean he has low chakra reserves.

Stamina=physical and mental energy, when they are mixed they become chakra. Ebisu is very clear on that.

As for your illness example that very thing happened

Jamn got drugged by tsunade. His stamina is still quite fine but as he said himself=

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So in that instance his, chakra was low, since he cant form it correctly.
Further proved here=

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The reason yall got it twisted is because you grew into the habit of saying chakra reserves when you should be saying stamina.

I mean Lets take it a step further and look at A=

Dude doesnt have Stamina comparable to that of a bijuu, that's insane. But in moments he can create chakra comparable to a biju.

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i.e. V2


same applies to juugo:

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