Rikudou Tobi
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Stamina is not chakra. Coming from a might Gai fan you should be wise in this aspect otherwise you wanna argue with me that daytime tiger is made of chakra?
Was Itachi's chakra always low?
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Stamina is one of the ingredients needed for chakra so his point still stands. Especially since he used an arrow-> and not an equal to = sign.
Stamina -> Chakra,
So low stamina-> low chakra
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Itachi had MS for years, which was going blind slowly, and kept his safe limit of usage of Mangekyou sharingan powers to not go blind and save them for Sasuke fight as he planned.
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While Sasuke went blind for overusing MS for one day.
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so did kakashi. He had MS since teen years and was slowly going blind, but he didn't go blind until late war arc after using it over 10 times in a day.
Sage goes to sasuke, Used it 10 plus times in a day, went blind.
Idk the point youre trying to make here, especially since we're talking about chakra usage and not blindness. The scan you brought up only proves my point. He used Ms 3 times that day(on sasuke; on kakashi; on toad belly) and was retreating while panting heavily, indicating exhaustion.
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Who knows what happened there, itachi lied that jiraiya cpuld handle the entire akatsuki, this one about stamina could also be a fail proof plan to not allow kisame question his ideas and opinions about jiraiya, hell kisame thought retreat wasnt necessary for someone like him; so I dont think his stamina is as poor as people make it to be from itachi's obviously fabricated statement.
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Itachi was sick, for unknown reason unlike Kakashi, and that was a plot, he was even exhasted every time using 3T Sharingan and suddenly he was able to spam Kamui several times a day and not go blind. yeah right.... even for someone who doesnt have Uchiha body.
Also i think Kamui is doing less strain on the eye like Amaterasu/Tsukuyomi even Susano'o.
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Using Susanoo is the biggest trouble of all, Sasuke immediately detereorated his vision from a single fight using Susanoo. Kakashi never had Susanoo and he was able to spam kamui with Kyuubi chakra not by himself, stop making sh*t up. Hell part 2 kakashi could only use it two times despite being a healthy guy other than the MS drainage. He already would be in the freaking hospital after some two uses, as seen in tendo arc, kakuzu arc.
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He has low stamina which affects the amount of time you can produce and control chakra for. He made up for his weak body with intelligence and high chakra quality though, if chakra potency is strong enough then it can match the feats of someone with high reserves (Indra's strong chakra = Ashura's high reserves)
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Okay you need stamina to produce more chakra which I understand is correct but it’s not the same thing. You already have an existing reserve before producing more chakra. Itachi cannot have low chakra if he has the reserves to utilize the mangekyo sharingan power such as Amaterasu and Susano’o. Even to maintain the mangekyo sharingan requires high reserves of chakra.
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No it doesn’t read what I told MightGai. You cannot have low chakra and use the mangekyo sharingan for years.
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thats part 1.
More like he trained.
he did go blind
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Mindless wank.
Ill spell out kakashi's progression for you=
Early Part 1: 3t for a couple minutes till exhaustion (he admits he was out of shape)
Early part 2= 3t for an entire day till exhaustion(second bell test remember?) 3 kamui uses.
War arc: 5 kamui uses.
Its not outlandish as u make it seem.
Acording to Ebisu, you can't have more chakra than stamina (or viceversa actually) since he explains that using percentages (as in, if the total stamina is 100%, and someone converted 20% to chakra, the ratio would be 80 - 20. I guess what I mean is the sum cannot be more than 100) .
Also, I didn't say that Itachi had low reserves as is, I'm saying that, due to his sickness, it's probable that he has lower reserves than he would have if healthy, since that would affect his stamina and therefore his chakra.
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yes you can. Iachi is proof of that. He just can't use it often. 3 times a day then exhaustion. Been that way since part 1, reaffirmed through the pain clone in part 2.
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@bold hahahah
He still went blind in just one wararc even with Kyuubi chakra. Which means his body isnt Uchiha also Kamui doesnt strain the eye that much as other MS techniques , reason for that is that the eye doesnt bleed , which means strain of the eye isnt as much like with Amaterasu.
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Itachi was lying about his part 1 state, about jiraiya and about tsukuyomi. Tobi confirmed itachi was pretending to attack konoha and fooled akatsuki into thinking he was capturing the tailed beast. "Fooling akatsuki ...." = lying to kisame, who is an akatsuki member hence why kabuto called itachi a genius at lying. There's no reason for him to say the truth when he claimed something as ridiculous as jiraiya beating pain and akatsuki lmfao.
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it added nothing to the conversation/argument. SO yes its mindless wank@bold hahahah
because he used it over 10 times that day.
i mean sasuke went blind after 10 uses in 1 day...
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more mindless wank.
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Eye bleeding shouldnt be taken as strain show, rather a different mechanism of a technique. Though that was the only time blood came from his eyes.
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Just and add... Kakashi spammed Kamui how many times until bleeding begun? Unlike with Amaterasu. Also about Obito's strain on the eye is completely something different, he was changing dimensions ...something more powerful then just Kamui ,its self as a technique is much more powerful and exhausting then normal Kamui technique.
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Reserves and stamina are two separate things, reserves are a set amount of chakra someone can use before dying, stamina determines how quickly the user recovers from using chakra, but in addition to that it also determines how much chakra you can control in on tech. FRS for example wouldn't be possible without Uzumaki endurance.
Kakashi ended up in hospital all the time because he didn't have the stamina to use Sharingan as a non-Uchiha even though he had the reserves to use Kamui. Him being able to spam MS later on isn't because he got an increase in reserves but rather because he got an increase in stamina.
Think of it like magic regeneration, if you recover chakra quicker than you use it then reserves are not really a handicap, it's why Nagato was able to spam his Rinnegan even after running out of chakra. Puts all his power into powering 6 bodies for two decades while simultaneously producing a city busting jutsu, runs out of chakra but proceeds to create a moon 10min later. #UzumakiGenes
Back to your original point, Itachi's feats came from his chakra potency mostly. He had the reserves for Susanoo but his chakra potency means the reserves don't run out as quickly, potency allows someone to use limited amounts of chakra with high amounts of power. Ashura had the chakra of a JuubiJin but it didn't stop an MS user from rivalling his feats and endurance.
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