Was anyone else disappointed with Shisui's cutscene?

[kaiyokoon]

Up until the anime filler Shisui had pretty much been made out to be some kind of legend, even prior to kotoamatsukami being revealed, and yet his actual performance was very disappointing. I'm not saying I expected him to be on par with Itachi in terms of overall combat skill, but seriously, he's one of the few critical characters in the series to actually get overwhelmed by Anbu... Anbu who weren't doing anything but throwing shuriken.

I can somewhat excuse the loss of one of his eyes to Danzo in the first place.. actually no I can't. Yes Danzo was juiced up on Hashirama's dna at this point, giving him an edge in combat, but there's no logical reason at all that he shouldn't have used koto on Danzo right then and there to end the fight. He's supposed to be a brilliant ninja, he should have used koto the moment he felt like there was even the slightest possibility that his eyes would be taken. Even if his koto has a cooldown, he would've clearly known that the threat of Danzo getting his eyes far exceeds the potential drawback of not being able to use koto on the other Uchiha afterward. Even if for whatever reason he decided against using koto, there's no logic behind him not at least using susanoo. He obviously wasn't opposed to using it as he pulled it out as a last resort against the anbu, and within the context of the cutscene, not counting the hypothetical battle that happened during gameplay, he clearly hadn't used susanoo already because the anbu had no idea what they were seeing when he used it later despite having watched the entire battle with Danzo.

Setting the fact that he seems to have caught the idiot ball during the fight, there's also the matter of Shisui being caught off-guard quite easily despite having MS. Seriously, he fell prey to probably one of the most basic possible distraction tactics. If being attacked from the front by multiple fodder with shuriken is sufficient to allow someone to sneak up behind an elite Uchiha and pop out their eye then they would've never been revered as they were.

Then finally, as he's fleeing away with only one eye, then and only then does he decide to use susanoo, which by that point is taxing the hell out of him because he's exhausted his chakra and is running on a single sharingan. So if the anbu were able to press him enough that he had to break that out as his only viable option, then why wouldn't he have used it when he was attacked in the first place. For that matter, if he is fast enough to activate Susanoo when exploding shuriken are mere feet away from him, while exhausted and with only one eye, then what is the reasoning behind him being unable to react to Danzo. Even without Susanoo, he's Shisui the body flicker, and is supposed to be renowned for his speed, yet during the whole cutscene we see that his speed is pretty much only good for fleeing, and even then only to a limited degree.

My final gripe is the fact that after having his eye taken, reaching the point of desperation and basically just trying to get out of there alive, he chooses to activate susanoo rather than use the MS ability of his remaining eye. As far as we know both of his eyes possess koto, koto does not require eye contact, and it most certainly shouldn't be as taxing on him as activating full-shroud susanoo. So why, other than to say to the fans "look it's susanoo!" does he use that and still fail to kill the anbu, rather than activate koto.

Overall I feel like Shisui got a very poor showing for the sake of the plot.

 

[Mattek2008]

Koto would probably just affect one person. And Susanoo was a last resort thing, since he was bearly conscious and almost not able to move due to exhaustion and the poisioning.

Give him som credit, he was young

 

[kaiyokoon]

Koto would probably just affect one person. And Susanoo was a last resort thing, since he was bearly conscious and almost not able to move due to exhaustion and the poisioning.

Give him som credit, he was young

Itachi was around what, 16 there? Shisui was older than him, comparable in skill, and raised in the naruto world equivalent of Sparta.

I considered koto only having one target, but seems to me that he could've if nothing else made one of the Anbu blow himself up and take the other 5 with him.

Edit: On second thought the bloody mist is the Sparta of the naruto world, hmm, actually scratch that, the Uchiha clan is Sparta, the bloody mist is the hunger games.

 

[ChrisWolf]

as far as we know he cant use susanoo.......

 

[kimb]

I blame kishimoto.

 

[kaiyokoon]

as far as we know he cant use susanoo.......

Him using susanoo is non-canon, but he used susanoo in the cut scene and the cut scene is what's under discussion.

 

[ChrisWolf]

Him using susanoo is non-canon, but he used susanoo in the cut scene and the cut scene is what's under discussion.

he did? I saw that cutscene though.....I don't remember that, can you post a link or give me an episode number?

 

[kaiyokoon]

he did? I saw that cutscene though.....I don't remember that, can you post a link or give me an episode number?

[video=youtube;222n2SKtr2Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=222n2SKtr2Y[/video]

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

Anbu have been portrayed as fodder, but they were unsuccessful because they are fodder. Don't underestimate weapons, poison, and strategy. Even Shisui was flesh and blood. Ultimately, all great ninjas are.

Shisui seemed to have been holding back against Danzo and the Anbu too for whatever reason, perhaps lingering loyalty. That said, don't underestimate Danzo, he was a Kage candidate for a reason. Him being able to fight Shisui so evenly is proof of that, Shisui the most skilled of the Uchiha and someone who routinely defeated Itachi.

 

[kaiyokoon]

Anbu have been portrayed as fodder, but they were unsuccessful because they are fodder. Don't underestimate weapons, poison, and strategy. Even Shisui was flesh and blood. Ultimately, all great ninjas are.

Shisui seemed to have been holding back against Danzo and the Anbu too for whatever reason, perhaps lingering loyalty. That said, don't underestimate Danzo, he was a Kage candidate for a reason. Him being able to fight Shisui so evenly is proof of that, Shisui the most skilled of the Uchiha and someone who routinely defeated Itachi.

The level of skill Shisui was famed for is exactly my point. There's nothing at all Danzo could've done to guard against koto. That fight could've been as simple as ordering Danzo to kill off his own subordinates and then himself.

 

[AlphaScythian]

Are you referring to filler shit? You're dumb to give it any credibility, MS sasuke killed danzo ten times over im sure shisui could do it once

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

The level of skill Shisui was famed for is exactly my point. There's nothing at all Danzo could've done to guard against koto. That fight could've been as simple as ordering Danzo to kill off his own subordinates and then himself.

Remember that Shisui's must had already used his right eye since Itachi couldn't use it, so using it against Danzo wasn't an option.

I do agree that the animators could had allowed Shisui to show off a little more, it was all too convenient for the plot. He could had WTFPWN'd the Anbu as the useless redcoats they are, but they could had still managed to poison him and that's when Danzo could had snatched his left eye. That's when he could had used Susanoo to bust out of there.

 

[kaiyokoon]

Are you referring to filler shit? You're dumb to give it any credibility, MS sasuke killed danzo ten times over im sure shisui could do it once

The entire premise of this thread is the cutscene, and my exact point is that it underplayed Shisui, so why are you calling me dumb if you agree with me?

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

Are you referring to filler shit? You're dumb to give it any credibility, MS sasuke killed danzo ten times over im sure shisui could do it once

Danzo did fight Sasuke almost 10 years later, so he was older and weaker. Danzo was also holding back against Sasuke to save chakra for Obito, and it was expressed that Danzo was actually spamming Izanagi as a stalling tactic until Shisui's eye was done recharging. Sasuke was also saved by Karin 3 times.

 

[kaiyokoon]

Danzo did fight Sasuke almost 10 years later, so he was older and weaker. Danzo was also holding back against Sasuke to save chakra for Obito, and it was expressed that Danzo was actually spamming Izanagi as a stalling tactic until Shisui's eye was done recharging. Sasuke was also saved by Karin 3 times.

Bear in mind Danzo's arm was sheathed the entire time he was fighting Shisui, although as far as we know he may not have even had those sharingan in his arm at that time. Either way, the lack of any sharingan during his fight with Shisui meant he was at a disadvantage.


Edit: for the record, what the hell was Danzo's justification for even walking around with half his face bandaged and his arm in a sling for decades?

 

[AlphaScythian]

The entire premise of this thread is the cutscene, and my exact point is that it underplayed Shisui, so why are you calling me dumb if you agree with me?

Because you question your own judgement bringing it here disappointed. Anime isnt canon its fanservice, we really dont know how it all happened, maybe there was no fight at all only some cheap trick.

Danzo did fight Sasuke almost 10 years later, so he was older and weaker. Danzo was also holding back against Sasuke to save chakra for Obito, and it was expressed that Danzo was actually spamming Izanagi as a stalling tactic until Shisui's eye was done recharging. Sasuke was also saved by Karin 3 times.

Holding back? He used izanagi right of the bat and to fight not to run away. Sasuke too pushed him to the limits.
Sorry whole holding back point is null.
10 years later isnt really good excuse when you have hashirama cells, and im sure he attained it after the massacre.

 

[UltimateDeadpool]

Bear in mind Danzo's arm was sheathed the entire time he was fighting Shisui, although as far as we know he may not have even had those sharingan in his arm at that time. Either way, the lack of any sharingan during his fight with Shisui meant he was at a disadvantage.


Edit: for the record, what the hell was Danzo's justification for even walking around with half his face bandaged and his arm in a sling for decades?

Regarding your question, I have wondered the same thing myself. His face was apparently bandaged as early as the 3rd shinobi war, but why he always looked post-op instead of wearing an eye-patch or something didn't make sense. And, in a world where you can just swap body parts, it doesn't make sense for him to have just taken some random enemy's eye.

Holding back? He used izanagi right of the bat and to fight not to run away. Sasuke too pushed him to the limits.
Sorry whole holding back point is null.
10 years later isnt really good excuse when you have hashirama cells, and im sure he attained it after the massacre.

I already explained that he was conserving chakra for a possible fight against Obito and that he was using Izanagi to stall until Shisui's eye was ready to use.

Getting Hashirama's cells don't make you younger. He was old when he encountered Shisui, and he was even older when he fought Sasuke. It may had slowed his physical aging, but he was still old.

 

[ChrisWolf]

[video=youtube;222n2SKtr2Y]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=222n2SKtr2Y[/video]

the filler flashback in the anime was waaaaaaaaaay better for the shisui and danzo battle but the akatsuki stuff was pretty cool although I don't think konan could beat sasori

 

[kaiyokoon]

Because you question your own judgement bringing it here disappointed. Anime isnt canon its fanservice, we really dont know how it all happened, maybe there was no fight at all only some cheap trick.

Holding back? He used izanagi right of the bat and to fight not to run away. Sasuke too pushed him to the limits.
Sorry whole holding back point is null.
10 years later isnt really good excuse when you have hashirama cells, and im sure he attained it after the massacre.

It may me fanservice but that and filler is essentially all the record we have of Shisui to go on. I agree I don't think he was holding back, there'd be no reason to, though the way he used izanagi was disgustingly wasteful and inefficient.

Edit: I say there was no reason to hold back, because he was obviously confident he could beat Sasuke, because he knows "Madara" is stronger, and he presumed to be able to beat him as well.

 

[AlphaScythian]

It may me fanservice but that and filler is essentially all the record we have of Shisui to go on. I agree I don't think he was holding back, there'd be no reason to, though the way he used izanagi was disgustingly wasteful and inefficient.

But if it doesnt make sense, dont go on with it.

Izanagi was his only chance of survival, he fought full blooded MS uchiha with amaterasu and susanoo set out for blood, even hebi sasuke would be too dangerous for him and i wont even mention Obito's presence there.