Was anyone else blown away by Tobiramas max power?

[Erin]

Attacking Obito was the main plan. Attacking Madara was only the back-up plan(in case they fail and Madara gets revived). That's why Hashirama and Tobirama needed max clone in order to attack Madara directly the moment he revives himself(with the max power possible while maintaining the barrier). Minato didn't need to attack Madara though since he knew he could reach Obito directly because he already had the marking. That's why using the max capacity of clone to attack Madara wasn't needed, since he could have reached Obito(the main plan) without too much efforts and stop him(especially in the state he was)

I mean I agree that he only needed one, my idea was that the amount made depends on the prowess of that particular jutsu, being kage bushin, for example, naruto could use multiple clones at a young age, but it didn't mean he was more powerful than someone who could only make one. Which is why I wouldn't be surprised if minato could only make one. I just though it was sort of implied when they where all making clones, but I could be wrong.

 

[TenthHokagexRamen]

why didn't he create water clones? You know....since he's a master water type user.

 

[grizzlyshree]

^^ may be it was not necessary

 

[Bogard]

I mean I agree that he only needed one, my idea was that the amount made depends on the prowess of that particular jutsu, being kage bushin, for example, naruto could use multiple clones at a young age, but it didn't mean he was more powerful than someone who could only make one. Which is why I wouldn't be surprised if minato could only make one. I just though it was sort of implied when they where all making clones, but I could be wrong.

Well Minato has half of Kyubi's chakra. Just thinking that Hashirama or Tobirama could have more chakra than half Kyubi would be totally wrong

 

[Jako98146]

It was because he was using that barrier jutsu
Even Hashi, the demi-god of the NarutoVerse, summoned less wood clones

 

[KingHashirama]

uh you said part 1 oro couldn't bind tobirama WHEN THAT LITERALLY HAPPENED IN THE MANGA.

..... Talking about the current Tobirama...... wtf is wrong with you?

It was because he was using that barrier jutsu
Even Hashi, the demi-god of the NarutoVerse, summoned less wood clones

Well Hashirama has made 13 clones total now.

Well Minato has half of Kyubi's chakra. Just thinking that Hashirama or Tobirama could have more chakra than half Kyubi would be totally wrong

I recall him turning KCM specially for the barrier. Plus SM > KCM.....in regards to chakra.

Plus, as far as whats shown, Minato can only do 1 kcm clone, while doing the barrier (not something that should be argued about , but just saying).

 

[Erin]

Well Minato has half of Kyubi's chakra. Just thinking that Hashirama or Tobirama could have more chakra than half Kyubi would be totally wrong

Naruto could do hundreds as a kid , I don't think he had more chakra than hashirama .

Or even Tobirama. (Since hashirama was using wood clones).

So I think it's prowess and not chakra, as I'm sure Tobirama didn't have 50 times as much chakra as tobirama.

 

[KGB Kakuzu]

When another Hokage (besides Hashirama and maybe Tsunade) cracks a stone wall by just patting, lets talk about whose got better max power =D

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Note this page notes he's almost at full power.


In addition, someone made a thread with the corrected lines (manga panda doesn't have the best translation), and Tobirama comments that with disappointment at only having two. He mentions he's clearly not at full power or something like that.

 

[Sennin of Logic]

Reread again. Tobirama was only binded because Orochimaru used Hashirama's dna to strengthen the bind. =]. People like Kabuto or part 1 Orochimaru can't bind Tobirama.

Plus didn't Minato only do 1? ;x

And Hiruzen did none.

There's a big difference though. Tobirama made the point of saying that 2 clones were his limit. Minato didn't stress whatsoever, and did not say it was his limit.

 

[Bogard]

Naruto could do hundreds as a kid , I don't think he had more chakra than hashirama .

Or even Tobirama. (Since hashirama was using wood clones)

Seems that you don't know the difference between the shadow clone technique and the multiple shadow clone technique(it's this one which is forbidden), so i'll leave these link:

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Your skills have nothing to do with it. The amount of clone you create depends on the chakra you use. So Minato in KCM could make as many clones as he wants(if he really wanted). The reason why Hashirama and Tobirama struggle to make more clone though is because the barrier already takes them a lot of chakra

 

[Strata Uchiha]

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^ Tobirama could only make 2 Shadow Clones because of using this barrier jutsu to trap the Juubi.

I bet Hiruzen couldn't make any because of this.

 

[KingHashirama]

There's a big difference though. Tobirama made the point of saying that 2 clones were his limit. Minato didn't stress whatsoever, and did not say it was his limit.

He did a clone though did he not? and so did the others. But Minato only did 1 (while powering the barrier also), so what makes you imply he can do more?

Note this page notes he's almost at full power.


In addition, someone made a thread with the corrected lines (manga panda doesn't have the best translation), and Tobirama comments that with disappointment at only having two. He mentions he's clearly not at full power or something like that.

Exactly. ^_^. Those 2 ain't even at full power. Even a little much amount of power can determine if you can use a specific technique or not.

 

[elsepa]

The number of clones you can make is about chakra reserves and the skills you have using clones ,Sage Mode Hashirama obviously has more chakra than him...

 

[Erin]

Seems that you don't know the difference between the shadow clone technique and the multiple shadow clone technique(it's this one which is forbidden), so i'll leave these link:

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Your skills have nothing to do with it. The amount of clone you create depends on the chakra you use. So Minato in KCM could make as many clones as he wants(if he really wanted). The reason why Hashirama and Tobirama struggle to make more clone though is because the barrier already takes them a lot of chakra

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^ Tobirama could only make 2 Shadow Clones because of using this barrier jutsu to trap the Juubi.

I bet Hiruzen couldn't make any because of this.

Ok, that makes much more sense.

 

[Bogard]

I recall him turning KCM specially for the barrier. Plus SM > KCM.....in regards to chakra.

Plus, as far as whats shown, Minato can only do 1 kcm clone, while doing the barrier (not something that should be argued about , but just saying).

And if you read the manga correctly as well, before that, he just warped the strongest attack never seen in this manga before(so it probably took him a lot of chakra) all that before the other Hokages even arrived, so he probably judged that with his chakra level lower than before, it would have been better to enter KCM especially since after he could have needed more chakra for important tasks(like what happened in this chapter). Funny how Hashirama needed to paint himself the face for the barrier though when he actually spent no chakra at all before in the contrary of Minato Lol

 

[Sennin of Logic]

He did a clone though did he not? and so did the others. But Minato only did 1 (while powering the barrier also), so what makes you imply he can do more?



Exactly. ^_^. Those 2 ain't even at full power. Even a little much amount of power can determine if you can use a specific technique or not.

What I said. Minato didn't make a big deal out of it like Tobirama.

 

[KingHashirama]

And if you read the manga correctly as well, before that, he just warped the strongest attack never seen in this manga before(so it probably took him a lot of chakra) all that before the other Hokages even arrived, so he probably judged that with his chakra level lower than before, it would have been better to enter KCM especially since after he could have needed more chakra for important tasks(like what happened in this chapter). Funny how Hashirama needed to paint himself the face for the barrier though when he actually spent no chakra at all before in the contrary of Minato Lol

He can regenerate the chakra.. lmaoo. Hes a god damn edo.

No point telling me that i don't read the manga well, when you don't know why Hashirama turned SM, and that Hashirama has been doing TWICE the work then the other Hokage.



Plus, not my fault you couldn't see, that he started the barrier without SM, and did SM for this technique:

Senpō: Myōjinmon

The technique that is the sole reason the alliance even had a chance at attacking the juubi. =]

Plus I guess you have forgotten that KCM Clones also have a limit ^_^.

What I said. Minato didn't make a big deal out of it like Tobirama.

Don't see how Tobirama made a big deal out of it.. when he casually did the clone technique.. while Minato's eyes sure didn't seem like he casually did it.

 

[Bogard]

He can regenerate the chakra.. lmaoo. Hes a god damn edo.

No point telling me that i don't read the manga well, when you don't know why Hashirama turned SM, and that Hashirama has been doing TWICE the work then the other Hokage.



Plus, not my fault you couldn't see, that he started the barrier without SM, and did SM for this technique:

Senpō: Myōjinmon

The technique that is the sole reason the alliance even had a chance at attacking the juubi. =]

Plus I guess you have forgotten that KCM Clones also have a limit ^_^.




Don't see how Tobirama made a big deal out of it.. when he casually did the clone technique.. while Minato's eyes sure didn't seem like he casually did it.

Chakra regenerate, but edos can be low on chakra(Muu when he splits, 2nd Mizukage when he uses jokey boy, Hashirama and Tobirama who can't use a lot of clones while maintaining the barrier are proof of it), so Minato was certainly far from his max chakra at that moment. Funny how Hashirama and Tobirama are the only one who complain about their number of clones, when Minato makes one like a boss and troll the chapter. Another funny thing is that the barrier takes too much chakra to Hashirama that his clones are not even in SM, when Minato's clone is still in KCM like a boss Lol

 

[KingHashirama]

Chakra regenerate, but edos can be low on chakra(Muu when he splits, 2nd Mizukage when he uses jokey boy, Hashirama and Tobirama who can't use a lot of clones while maintaining the barrier are proof of it), so Minato was certainly far from his max chakra at that moment. Funny how Hashirama and Tobirama are the only one who complain about their number of clones, when Minato makes one like a boss and troll the chapter. Another funny thing is that the barrier takes too much chakra to Hashirama that his clones are not even in SM, when Minato's clone is still in KCM like a boss Lol

Madara spamming technique and not running out of chakra is my proof. The Hokage holding the barrier is a fail point.. since they are currently spending part of their chakrapool in the barrier.

However for Minato its a different situation. The teleportation technique he did, doesn't show required a huge amount of chakra =].

Hashirama restrained the juubi. ^_^. Something Minato can never do, so why don't you stop comparing them.....

And I guess 1 KCM clone is the most Minato can afford.. I mean its pretty idiotic if hes gonna use KCM clones.. he would only use 1 to help out the alliance , though you say he can use more. =].

Funny that you mention "tobirama complaining." Though I didn't see that in the manga.

 

[Bogard]

Madara spamming technique and not running out of chakra is my proof. The Hokage holding the barrier is a fail point.. since they are currently spending part of their chakrapool in the barrier.

However for Minato its a different situation. The teleportation technique he did, doesn't show required a huge amount of chakra =].

Hashirama restrained the juubi. ^_^. Something Minato can never do, so why don't you stop comparing them.....

And I guess 1 KCM clone is the most Minato can afford.. I mean its pretty idiotic if hes gonna use KCM clones.. he would only use 1 to help out the alliance , though you say he can use more. =].

Funny that you mention "tobirama complaining." Though I didn't see that in the manga.

Madara was ressurected beyond his prime by Kabuto who even modified his body, so it's possible that Madara is only an exception. And lol at the teleportation who doesn't require a lot of chakra. Did you see how huge that TBB was? It was even bigger than Shinsuusenju lol. And yes i believe Minato can make much more clones in KCM since nothing suggest he can't in the contrary of Hashirama or Tobirama where it was clearly stated. He only needed one to get the job done since he had another plan than attacking Madara, which was attacking Obito directly, and i don't believe they can have more chakra than half Kyubi, but well you can think whatever you want. Concerning Tobirama's statement, he said he can't use more than 2 and that he was in a "sorry state", so that's a complain