War Arc Tsunade vs six paths of pain

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Tsunade blitzed Madara therefore she blitzes pain
Manga states she cannot die in battle
Katsuyu absorbs impact of Shinra Tensei just like it absorbs inpact of Hirudora
Tsunades fist shatter Chibaku Tensei
Slug acid melts animal summons
Fodder paths get punch to the ground GG

How does tsunade not stomp this?
 

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Animal Path and Deva solo. Even Asura has potential to solo. Rest of the paths get stomped 1v1.
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jk Naraka stomps
 

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It reached to Jiraiya's punch. Obviously not the same as reacting to his top speed nor is it proof that Tsunade can't land a hit on him when:

-No major difference has been shown between Tsunade and Jiraiya's striking speed that substantiate this claim.
-He had Shared Vision at the time, which lets you react faster than if you didn't have it.

And being able to bypass her healing means nothing when he has to engage in CQC to do so, and if he does, he gets punked.

Tsunade stomps Human Path. Please don't start this. Human Path has the least chance of soloing bar Naraka Path.
.......Tsunade has no speed feats at all :lol

Jiraiya has enough, and SM is stated to make you fast as hell.



Him specifically saying "Senin Mode" attacks means its faster than usual :lol.

Also all he has to do is place the palm near the body

Without intel, Tsunade can most certainly fall for this.
 

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.......Tsunade has no speed feats at all :lol

Jiraiya has enough, and SM is stated to make you fast as hell.



Him specifically saying "Senin Mode" attacks means its faster than usual :lol.

Also all he has to do is place the palm near the body

Without intel, Tsunade can most certainly fall for this.
Not sure if I should say the "downplay is strong" or "thewankisreal"

Matching Base Ay's striking speed is a feat. Not to mention your whole point is terrible anyway since Jiraiya being faster than he is in Base=/=Jiraiya being "fast as hell". :lol. You don't even have a sound argument. You think Human Path wins because he can block Jiraiya's attack, and because he has a move that can take her soul.

Intel is completely irrelevant. You don't need intel to know that you don't want your opponent to lay a hand on you. If he goes in to take her soul, he gets one shotted. Either by a direct hit or the shockwaves of her attack.

And Nagato obviously touched Nagato's stomach there. Human Path requires physical contact.
 
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Not sure if I should say the "downplay is strong" or "thewankisreal"

Matching Base Ay's striking speed is a feat. Not to mention your whole point is terrible anyway since Jiraiya being faster than he is in Base=/=Jiraiya being "fast as hell". :lol. You don't even have a sound argument. You think Human Path wins because he can block Jiraiya's attack, and because he has a move that can take her soul.

Intel is completely irrelevant. You don't need intel to know that you don't want your opponent to lay a hand on you. If he goes in to take her soul, he gets one shotted. Either by a direct hit or the shockwaves of her attack.

And Nagato obviously touched Nagato's stomach there. Human Path requires physical contact.
Its a dead body .-. So taking a hit by Tsunade (albeit not a crushing one) to come in contact is still a thing, with intel means she won't let her guard down after she hits it :lol

Matching Base Ay's striking speed........

I'm pretty sure fighting on par with SM Naruto is a greater feat (The paths should all have the same stats, bar Asura)

And yes...reacting to a SM attack when he clearly showed he was upping his speed is a nice feat to have :lol

I'm not saying he wins anyways, its just not laughable .-. Especially if her best feat is keeping up with Base Ay....
 

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all paths have the potential to solo Tsunade & katsyuu.
because the black rods, like gentle fist, will disrupt byakugou.

but only deva path & animal path will do so.

deva path - 99%
animal path - 90%
asura - 40%
human - 25%
hells gate - 10%
preta - 10%
 

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Its a dead body .-. So taking a hit by Tsunade (albeit not a crushing one) to come in contact is still a thing, with intel means she won't let her guard down after she hits it :lol
Dafuq? Really now :| There is no after. If Pain takes a hit, it's GG. It being a dead body isn't an argument when:

-The weaker Rasengan fodderized the most durable path.
- The even weaker than Rasengan, Frog Kata, one shotted Preta Path.

There is no "taking a hit just to touch Tsunade". If he takes a hit, he's finished.

Matching Base Ay's striking speed........

I'm pretty sure fighting on par with SM Naruto is a greater feat (The paths should all have the same stats, bar Asura)

And yes...reacting to a SM attack when he clearly showed he was upping his speed is a nice feat to have :lol

I'm not saying he wins anyways, its just not laughable .-. Especially if her best feat is keeping up with Base Ay....
It being a nice feat to have literally doesn't change anything here as being able to react to Jiraiya has nothing to do with proving that he won't get hit by Tsunade.

Wrong. Pain was shown to have completely different stats when it came to the individual bodies. Deva was outrunning KN6. Animal Path almost got caught in FRS. Deva has shown to be the fastest and the only one matching Naruto in CQC was Deva Path, but when Naruto went SM he punked Deva in close combat so I'm not even sure what point you are trying to make here.
 

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Dafuq? Really now :| There is no after. If Pain takes a hit, it's GG. It being a dead body isn't an argument when:

-The weaker Rasengan fodderized the most durable path.
- The even weaker than Rasengan, Frog Kata, one shotted Preta Path.

There is no "taking a hit just to touch Tsunade". If he takes a hit, he's finished.
Every strike she throws isn't going to be CES.....




It being a nice feat to have literally doesn't change anything here as being able to react to Jiraiya has nothing to do with proving that he won't get hit by Tsunade.
But SM Jiraiya > Tsunade .-. Being on par with base Ay doesn't mean shit. They both have limited feats but Jiraiya is a whole point ahead of her in speed. Probably without SM. He doesn't have to block her attacks as she's slow enough that he can simply avoid then.

Wrong. Pain was shown to have completely different stats when it came to the individual bodies. Deva was outrunning KN6. Animal Path almost got caught in FRS. Deva has shown to be the fastest and the only one matching Naruto in CQC was Deva Path, but when Naruto went SM he punked Deva in close combat so I'm not even sure what point you are trying to make here.
They all almost got hit with FRS on multiple occasions..... Human was actually able to react to it and throw animal out of the way, just like Deva was able to react to it the last time it was used.

Deva didn't get punked, if I recall Naruto's durability just didn't allow a hit.
 

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Tsunade blitzed Madara therefore she blitzes pain
Manga states she cannot die in battle
Katsuyu absorbs impact of Shinra Tensei just like it absorbs inpact of Hirudora
Tsunades fist shatter Chibaku Tensei
Slug acid melts animal summons
Fodder paths get punch to the ground GG

How does tsunade not stomp this?
She didn't blitz madara. Madara just blocked her atacks with Susano, he didn't need to dodge.

Manga states Hiruzen was the greatest of all the hokage :rolleyes:

If she reacts on time to sumon Katsuyu then its a viable way. I agree here.

It took Killer bee's TBB + Magatamas + KCM Naruto's FRS to shatter chibaku tensei. There's no indication tsunade can do something like that with just her fist. If she gets close to the orb she's done.

Cerberus laughs at the slug acid and eats katsuyu alive. Pain has too many summons to outmaneouver and overwhelm Tsunade.

Punch to the ground is never a GG. And tsunade landing direct punch on one of the paths is highly unlikely.
 

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Every strike she throws isn't going to be CES.....
Because you say so? Amazing argument, but I'm going to disagree based on the fact that you literally have no basis for this claim. Unless you are suggesting that Tsunade will choose not to use CES to hit Human Path.





But SM Jiraiya > Tsunade .-. Being on par with base Ay doesn't mean shit. They both have limited feats but Jiraiya is a whole point ahead of her in speed. Probably without SM. He doesn't have to block her attacks as she's slow enough that he can simply avoid then.
SM Jiraiya>Tsunade means just about shit when being able to react to someone obviously doesn't mean that you will never get hit. I mean, do you know how fights work? :lol

Based on what? I'm just going to wait for you to actually prove half the stuff you claim. Reacting to Jiraiya's Shunshin with a chakra absorption barrier=/=Being able to avoid every single one of Tsunade's hits, especially when her hits have a massive AoE if they hit the ground.

"Point ahead" in speed is irrelevant when speed in DB refers to movement speed. Not any kind of striking speed, and Jiraiya's has not shown to be anything to make a fuss over, so I don't know why you are blowing Human Path's feat out of proportion, and using it as evidence that Human Path will weave every single hit Tsunade throws. :lol


They all almost got hit with FRS on multiple occasions..... Human was actually able to react to it and throw animal out of the way, just like Deva was able to react to it the last time it was used.
Which doesn't prove your point. One of them being unable to evade proves that they are not all the same speed, thus they do not get each other's speed feats. Human Path's only speed feat is reacting to Jiraiya's strike. What's even funnier is that Jiraiya earlier blitzed the same Human Path you are wanking here.

Deva didn't get punked, if I recall Naruto's durability just didn't allow a hit.
Deva and Naruto were fighting on par when he was in Base, then Naruto entered SM, smashed his rod and knocked him away. Smh, why am I even arguing Human Path vs. Tsunade in the first place? Shit is ridiculous.


And lol @ people actually thinking that Beans was being serious with that post. :lol
 

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Cerberus laughs at the slug acid and eats katsuyu alive. Pain has too many summons to outmaneouver and overwhelm Tsunade.
How is Cerberus laughing when acid gets rid of his body which means he cant make separate into more dogs? It completely nullifies his ability.

Also if Cerberus tries to eat Katsuyu then she just goes into his body as a liquid then reforms into slug form blowing Cerberus up from the inside.
 

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Because you say so? Amazing argument, but I'm going to disagree based on the fact that you literally have no basis for this claim. Unless you are suggesting that Tsunade will choose not to use CES to hit Human Path.
She's shown to hit people multiple times without them being crushed.







SM Jiraiya>Tsunade means just about shit when being able to react to someone obviously doesn't mean that you will never get hit. I mean, do you know how fights work? :lol
Do you know how this fight works?

Based on what? I'm just going to wait for you to actually prove half the stuff you claim. Reacting to Jiraiya's Shunshin with a chakra absorption barrier=/=Being able to avoid every single one of Tsunade's hits, especially when her hits have a massive AoE if they hit the ground.

"Point ahead" in speed is irrelevant when speed in DB refers to movement speed. Not any kind of striking speed, and Jiraiya's has not shown to be anything to make a fuss over, so I don't know why you are blowing Human Path's feat out of proportion, and using it as evidence that Human Path will weave every single hit Tsunade throws. :lol
You clearly know nothing of these two combatants, firstly give me one instance where Tsunade has shown the ability to throw stikres in rapid succession? I'll wait because she hasn't. She throws a fist and then lets its momentum and strength do the rest, he doesn't have to dodge and weave shit she's not gai all he has to do is avoid the first strike then latch on to any part of the body and she's basically done for.

So unless she can blitz him directly on which you have no feats to prove there is a chance that he can grab hold of her after avoiding a strike :lol Breaking the ground is useless as he has shown the ability to cling to surfaces. So he's not going to be sent flying if that is what you mean. Not to mention all he needs to do is jump and he can still grab hold of Tsunade who is being taken by her momentum (if she's jumped for this ground attack)



Which doesn't prove your point. One of them being unable to evade proves that they are not all the same speed, thus they do not get each other's speed feats. Human Path's only speed feat is reacting to Jiraiya's strike. What's even funnier is that Jiraiya earlier blitzed the same Human Path you are wanking here.
Not really, it was just under different circumstance such as as the path that was blitzed by Konohamaru was able to avoid it fine .-.

It got blitzed as it didn't know SM enhanced his movements. Its obviously the reason so don't try to dispute it :lol the same circumstances were in play as when he reacted to it, being even faster that time as he took off his sandals and used his frog feet to gain a speed advantage. (which is what I linked earlier btw, it didn't just apply to the attack on preta)


Deva and Naruto were fighting on par when he was in Base, then Naruto entered SM, smashed his rod and knocked him away. Smh, why am I even arguing Human Path vs. Tsunade in the first place? Shit is ridiculous.
Deva still was able to react and block it though, has nothing to do with speed and everything to do with strength.

Because its not as laughable as you think, you've given no arguments that outright say she stomps, all you've done is try and dispute that she may be as fast as Jiraiya.
 
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She's shown to hit people multiple times without them being crushed.
1. Don't care.
2. Scans?
3. No reason to believe that she won't use CES.






You clearly know nothing of these two combatants, firstly give me one instance where Tsunade has shown the ability to throw stikres in rapid succession? I'll wait because she hasn't. She throws a fist and then lets its momentum and strength do the rest, he doesn't have to dodge and weave shit she's not gai all he has to do is avoid the first strike then latch on to any part of the body and she's basically done for.
Completely irrelevant. Her not being able to rapid fire her fists like Gai or Lee can doesn't prove your point. Terrible attempt at a counter argument. In this ridiculous scenario, Tsunade punches, Human Path evades and then one shots, when in reality, if Human Path evades, all she has to do is respond to his next attack with:

-A punch from her free hand.
-A kick.

Inb4 "no rapid succession hits" when countering after an attack doesn't require that you attack in rapid succession.

So unless you think she won't be able to react to Human Path's attack, there is no way this scenario goes down.

So unless she can blitz him directly on which you have no feats to prove there is a chance that he can grab hold of her after avoiding a strike :lol Breaking the ground is useless as he has shown the ability to cling to surfaces. So he's not going to be sent flying if that is what you mean. Not to mention all he needs to do is jump and he can still grab hold of Tsunade who is being taken by her momentum (if she's jumped for this ground attack)
That's not what I meant. Being caught in the range of her punch's AoE=Death. I don't know how many times I'll have to tell you this cause I'm 99% sure I've already repeated this same exact argument. Inb4 "It only pushes you into the air". Please go read chapter 632 where every Juubi clone in Sakura's blast range was annihilated.

:lol

1. She doesn't need to jump.

2. Even if she was jumping for this attack, trying to grab Tsunade while she's coming down for a punch is just about the dumbest thing this dude can do, since it'd result in him getting clobbered, not the other way around.



Not really, it was just under different circumstance such as as the path that was blitzed by Konohamaru was able to avoid it fine .-.
Clearly wasn't a blitz from Konohamaru when he had to use a shadow clone as a distraction. :|

It got blitzed as it didn't know SM enhanced his movements. Its obviously the reason so don't try to dispute it :lol the same circumstances were in play as when he reacted to it, being even faster that time as he took off his sandals and used his frog feet to gain a speed advantage. (which is what I linked earlier btw, it didn't just apply to the attack on preta)
Irrelevant. He never reacted to Jiraiya's Shunshin so there is nothing for you to argue here. He only reacted to Jiraiya jumping at him and attempting to punch him. Not knowing that Jiraiya is as fast as he was literally has jack to do with him being unable to react. How in the world does that even make sense?

-Madara didn't know that Ay was fast, yet he still easily reacted to him.
-Kaguya didn't know how fast Sasuke was, yet easily reacted to him.

Stop arguing against Tsunade. The amount of downplay in your posts when the opposition is her or someone who has a similar fighting style to hers is honestly ridiculous.

Deva still was able to react and block it though, has nothing to do with speed and everything to do with strength.

Because its not as laughable as you think, you've given no arguments that outright say she stomps, all you've done is try and dispute that she may be as fast as Jiraiya.
If you weren't too busy wanking Human Path, you'd know that I never said or implied the bold. I simply want you to stop using piss poor logic to prove your point. Being able to react to Jiraiya=/=Being able to evade each and every one of Tsunade's hits. The simple fact that out of all people, you being the one who is honestly arguing that Human Path beats Tsunade only proves my point. :lol

You barely have an argument pal. You've basically stated that Human Path wins because he can take souls and because he can react to Jiraiya's punch, Tsunade will never land a hit. Terrible, terrible terrible logic.
 
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1. Don't care.
2. Scans?
3. No reason to believe that she won't use CES.







Completely irrelevant. Her not being able to rapid fire her fists like Gai or Lee can doesn't prove your point. Terrible attempt at a counter argument. In this ridiculous scenario, Tsunade punches, Human Path evades and then one shots, when in reality, if Human Path evades, all she has to do is respond to his next attack with:

-A punch from her free hand.
-A kick.

Inb4 "no rapid succession hits" when countering after an attack doesn't require that you attack in rapid succession.

So unless you think she won't be able to react to Human Path's attack, there is no way this scenario goes down.



That's not what I meant. Being caught in the range of her punch's AoE=Death. I don't know how many times I'll have to tell you this cause I'm 99% sure I've already repeated this same exact argument. Inb4 "It only pushes you into the air". Please go read chapter 632 where every Juubi clone in Sakura's blast range was annihilated.

:lol

1. She doesn't need to jump.

2. Even if she was jumping for this attack, trying to grab Tsunade while she's coming down for a punch is just about the dumbest thing this dude can do, since it'd result in him getting clobbered, not the other way around.




Clearly wasn't a blitz from Konohamaru when he had to use a shadow clone as a distraction. :|



Irrelevant. He never reacted to Jiraiya's Shunshin so there is nothing for you to argue here. He only reacted to Jiraiya jumping at him and attempting to punch him. Not knowing that Jiraiya is as fast as he was literally has jack to do with him being unable to react. How in the world does that even make sense?

-Madara didn't know that Ay was fast, yet he still easily reacted to him.
-Kaguya didn't know how fast Sasuke was, yet easily reacted to him.

Stop arguing against Tsunade. The amount of downplay in your posts when the opposition is her or someone who has a similar fighting style to hers is honestly ridiculous.



If you weren't too busy wanking Human Path, you'd know that I never said or implied the bold. I simply want you to stop using piss poor logic to prove your point. Being able to react to Jiraiya=/=Being able to evade each and every one of Tsunade's hits. The simple fact that out of all people, you being the one who is honestly arguing that Human Path beats Tsunade only proves my point. :lol

You barely have an argument pal. You've basically stated that Human Path wins because he can take souls and because he can react to Jiraiya's punch, Tsunade will never land a hit. Terrible, terrible terrible logic.
:lol

I'm not arguing this anymore

But you saying Tsunade is going to hit a relatively fast opponent with a a kick when she's already missed a punch is ridiculous .-. And I suggest you try it yourself to realize how retarded it is :lol

Oh and lastly Human path can evade to behind Tsunade, because as I said she puts full momentum into her attacks.


She'd have to jump to reach the level Sakura had, and during that time Human path could easily move away. Also the Juubi clones were still intact afterwards :lol don't know how people think they were annihilated as its not like they have any internal organs to affect.
 

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I'm not arguing this anymore

But you saying Tsunade is going to hit a relatively fast opponent with a a kick when she's already missed a punch is ridiculous .-. And I suggest you try it yourself to realize how retarded it is :lol

Oh and lastly Human path can evade to behind Tsunade, because as I said she puts full momentum into her attacks.


She'd have to jump to reach the level Sakura had, and during that time Human path could easily move away. Also the Juubi clones were still intact afterwards :lol don't know how people think they were annihilated as its not like they have any internal organs to affect.
Right after you realize how retarded your whole argument on this topic is. Like the bold. Relatively fast? Tell me more about how the guy who got blitzed by Jiraiya is "relatively fast". What's his only speed feat again? Oh wait, reacting to Jiraiya's punch. Get this wank out of here, please. Tell me more about how he's easily evading a follow up attack from Tsunade when you are suggesting he tries to grab her after he's dodged the punch.

You've resorted to dictating how Tsunade will make each move since you know that if she fights like a competent Ninja Human Path gets punked. It's silly as all hell.

Never said she has to reach the level Sakura reached so your whole point is completely irrelevant. Juubi clones being in tact is also irrelevant when they were dead. Unless Human Path can survive something far stronger than what already one shotted stronger and more durable paths in canon, you have no argument here. So let's stop with the wank/downplay.
 

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Right after you realize how retarded your whole argument on this topic is. Like the bold. Relatively fast? Tell me more about how the guy who got blitzed by Jiraiya is "relatively fast". What's his only speed feat again? Oh wait, reacting to Jiraiya's punch. Get this wank out of here, please. Tell me more about how he's easily evading a follow up attack from Tsunade when you are suggesting he tries to grab her after he's dodged the punch.

You've resorted to dictating how Tsunade will make each move since you know that if she fights like a competent Ninja Human Path gets punked. It's silly as all hell.

Never said she has to reach the level Sakura reached so your whole point is completely irrelevant. Juubi clones being in tact is also irrelevant when they were dead. Unless Human Path can survive something far stronger than what already one shotted stronger and more durable paths in canon, you have no argument here. So let's stop with the wank/downplay.
Lmfaoooooooooooo

Bro, obviously Human isn't going to move in until she throws a punch that either

-Leaves her staggering

-Leaves her on the ground (heaven kick of pain, etc.)

I said relatively fast because again .-. It was shown to react to FRS and its > Part one Kabuto :lol who sadly is her only CQC opponent.
 

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Lmfaoooooooooooo

Bro, obviously Human isn't going to move in until she throws a punch that either

-Leaves her staggering


-Leaves her on the ground (heaven kick of pain, etc.)

I said relatively fast because again .-. It was shown to react to FRS and its > Part one Kabuto :lol who sadly is her only CQC opponent.
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So the bold is what you meant? Lol. A missed punch will leave her staggering? Because you think she will put an extremely unnecessary amount of force into it? To defeat a path that can't even take attacks like Rasengan? :| Boy.

And why would she be on the ground after Heaven Kick of Pain? She'd be in a normal fighting stance after the fact.

Yes. It was shown to react to FRS. If only that translated to any kind of consistent evasion argument you were trying to make. Anything concering Part 1 Tsunade is irrelevant to this debate for very obvious reasons.
 
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