War arc Sakura vs Hidan

[pateuvasiliu]

Whose alt are U? New members usually aren't writing in VS threads.

I think 90% of my posts are in VS threads.

 

[pateuvasiliu]

Whose alt are U? New members usually aren't writing in VS threads.

I think 90% of my posts are in VS threads.

 

[Obito3631]

She breaks a lot of things now with her yin seal active. Least she'll do is dent it beyond repair.

As for poor speed: her Yin seal has her clearly punch a Juubi fodder back so hard, then when he's flying backwards, he takes out countless other fodder with him because of the speed that which he is flying at. She catches up with her punch, then nukes the entire area.

That's pretty fast considering she didn't use Body flicker. Faster than any speed feat Hidan has done.

But you're not getting what I'm getting at. What I'm getting at is that if Hidan just held out his arm. Sakura is more than capable of ripping it off. Like I said in my last post. Or did you not read it all all?

What we are arguing right now is not if Sakura is capable of defeating Hidan. But if she can rip of his arm.

I already made my case a couple posts back (not related to this argument) that Sakura probably wouldn't win against Hidan because she's lacking in taijutsu feats.

Punches that destroy the surrounding environment wont hurt anyone except Jubi fodders
And in order to destroy his scythe she would need to disarm him first, but how is she going to do that with her poor taijutsu and considering she can't even land a blow on him?

I think I should be the one asking you this, by common sense how is she going to grab his arm if she can't even touch him in the first place? Like I said earlier, Asuma has 4.5 in taijutsu and he was assisted by shikamaru yet he wasn't able to land a single blow on Hidan, what makes you believe she stands a chance?

She can't win, hidan is simply out of her league

 

[aimop95]

Punches that destroy the surrounding environment wont hurt anyone except Jubi fodders
And in order to destroy his scythe she would need to disarm him first, but how is she going to do that with her poor taijutsu and considering she can't even land a blow on him?

I think I should be the one asking you this, by common sense how is she going to grab his arm if she can't even touch him in the first place? Liike I said earlier, Asuma has 4.5 in taijutsu and he was assisted by shikamaru yet he wasn't able to land a single blow on Hidan, what makes you believe she stands a chance?

She can't win, hidan is simply out of her league

I SAID SHE PROBABLY COULDN'T WIN ANYWAY. What I am arguing is if Sakura has the physical strength to rip off Hidan's arm. Which She Does.

Are you reading my other posts at all? here, Let me quote myself,

But you're not getting what I'm getting at. What I'm getting at is that if Hidan just held out his arm. Sakura is more than capable of ripping it off. Like I said in my last post. Or did you not read it all all?

That is what we are arguing, not if Sakura can beat Hidan. Because it is very unlikely that she can

 

[Obito3631]

I SAID SHE PROBABLY COULDN'T WIN ANYWAY. What I am arguing is if Sakura has the physical strength to rip off Hidan's arm. Which She Does.

Are you reading my other posts at all? here, Let me quote myself,


That is what we are arguing, not if Sakura can beat Hidan. Because it is very unlikely that she can

You dont seem to realize how diffficult it would be to completely rip someones arm of with strength alone, how is the area of effect of her punches even relevant to this discussion, to rip someones arm off youd require exceptional brute strength, something sakura doesnt have, also my answer was in my previous post

I think I should be the one asking you this, by common sense how is she going to grab his arm if she can't even touch him in the first place? Like I said earlier, Asuma has 4.5 in taijutsu and he was assisted by shikamaru yet he wasn't able to land a single blow on Hidan, what makes you believe she stands a chance?

 

[ToshiZO]

Show me a scan where Hidan can fight with broken limbs. Never mind, you can't.

um....yes he can.

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Any ninja wouldnt be able to move much less laugh it off, just take Asuma for an example he cant even get up, cause its physically impossible with virtually half the bones crushed in your body including your spine probably. Infact I think its impossible for a normal human...no matter who you are in the show to move around with that many broken bones your body even if you were immortal couldn't move cause of the bone structure being disrupted (so I dont know how Hidan does it, but he can). Any ninja couldn't take a move like this

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(which is literally ripping trees right off the ground and crushing them into pieces),

from point blank range

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, and not have his body ripped into shreds. Hidan can straight up tank hits that maybe a collect few could without suffering any drawbacks from their bodies. So yea Sakuras punches aint doing jack. You just saw Trees being ripped right out of the ground yet he tanked it...Ill ask again how can Sakura kill Hidan? You need to restrain him and dismember him which is something she is not capable of doing because he is worlds above her in close combat taijutsu and evasion. This Sakura wank is getting out of control..just having a powerful punch doesnt make you great in this series.

I SAID SHE PROBABLY COULDN'T WIN ANYWAY. What I am arguing is if Sakura has the physical strength to rip off Hidan's arm. Which She Does.

This is where people are misinformed...Hidan outclasses Sakura in physical strength..he has much more raw strength than her. Her punches arent physical strength its chakra storage and she has good chakra control to pinpoint her chakra towards her hands and release. Ripping someones arm off who is much more physically stronger than you doesnt even make sense....ignoring the fact that she cant even grab on in the first place......

 

[aimop95]

You dont seem to realize how diffficult it would be to completely rip someones arm of with strength alone, how is the area of effect of her punches even relevant to this discussion, to rip someones arm off youd require exceptional brute strength, something sakura doesnt have, also my answer was in my previous post

Actually, I'm well aware. And you don't seem to understand exactly what kind of punch Sakura packs.

1st: She didn't leap very high in terms of what other shinobi can do. At the most when she punched that fodder into the ground she leaped maybe about 30-20 feet in the air.

2nd: Because she didn't leap very high, gravity would not have helped her make a crater that big. that massive explosion alone was her physically chakara-enhanced strength crunching through earth so fast that it ended up being an explosion.

The fact that Sakura was able to divert that much chakara to her arm muscles to enhance them that much means that ripping off Hidan's arm is possible.

And yes, I am ignoring the fact that Sakura wouldn't be able to touch him in the first place. But What I'm arguing is not if she can touch him. But that she has enough power to rip his arm off.

She is probably the 2nd most physically powerful shinobi alive if she uses her yin seal. She can rip his arm off. You don't seem to understand that Sakaura uses a jutu that enhances her strength. With 3 years of chakara stored into one arm, she is more than capable of ripping apart anyone's arm from their body. (if she can catch them).

 

[aimop95]

This is where people are misinformed...Hidan outclasses Sakura in physical strength..he has much more raw strength than her. Her punches arent physical strength its chakra storage and she has good chakra control to pinpoint her chakra towards her hands and release. Ripping someones arm off who is much more physically stronger than you doesnt even make sense....ignoring the fact that she cant even grab on in the first place......

I don't see a scan of where Hidan outclasses Sakura in physical strength at all. That's your assumption until you have evidence.

In any case, it isn't raw physical strength. It's Chakara enhanced physical strength. We were never talking about raw physical strength because I'm fairly sure the Raikage beats everyone hands down.

Sakura's yin seal grants her 3 years of chakra that can all be put into one arm. That's more than enough power to rip some ones arm off. Unless you are saying that the jutsu she uses is more explosion based than anything else (which it isn't as far as I can tell).

 

[Obito3631]

Actually, I'm well aware. And you don't seem to understand exactly what kind of punch Sakura packs.

1st: She didn't leap very high in terms of what other shinobi can do. At the most when she punched that fodder into the ground she leaped maybe about 30-20 feet in the air.

2nd: Because she didn't leap very high, gravity would not have helped her make a crater that big. that massive explosion alone was her physically chakara-enhanced strength crunching through earth so fast that it ended up being an explosion.

The fact that Sakura was able to divert that much chakara to her arm muscles to enhance them that much means that ripping off Hidan's arm is possible.

And yes, I am ignoring the fact that Sakura wouldn't be able to touch him in the first place. But What I'm arguing is not if she can touch him.

She is probably the 2nd most physically powerful shinobi alive if she uses her yin seal. She can rip his arm off. You don't seem to understand that Sakaura uses a jutu that enhances her strength. With 3 years of chakara stored into one arm, she is more than capable of ripping apart anyone's arm from their body. (if she can catch them).

You do know that she doesn't divert the chakra in her muscle but in her fist? You clearly don't comprehend how her jutsu works, ripping someone's arm off require exceptional raw physical strength, sakura is not physically strong as she uses chakra to enhance her punches to make big and flashy explosions, it is not the result of her physical strength, Hidan totally outclasses Sakura in physical strength actually.

 

[Crazy Wolf]

Hidan stomps :scorps:

 

[aimop95]

You do know that she doesn't divert the chakra in her muscle but in her fist? You clearly don't comprehend how her jutsu works, ripping someone's arm off require physical strength, sakura is not physically strong as she uses chakra to enhance her punches to make big and flashy explosions, it is not the work of her physical strength, Hidan totally outclasses Sakura in physical strength actually.

Are you saying that her jutsu is explosion based? Because last time I checked. When she punched the massive boulder covering up where Sasori was hiding behind, it didn't explode. It cracked then fell apart.

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How is her Jutsu explosion based? Her Yin seal merely gives her 3 years of chakra which to overload her chakra system with.

It is not explosion based. The explosion in the latest chapters came as a result of such a powerfully physical punch.

Now I understand that the chakra is diverted into the fist.

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But because the jutsu basically requires that the user has excellent chakra control, that means any part of the body can be used as a weapon. It is not relegated only to the fist (and that in of itself wouldn't make any sense since the actual punching power comes from the arm, not the fist, the chakra in the fist probably just hardens the skin to prevent damage to the body.)

 

[Obito3631]

Are you saying that her jutsu is explosion based? Because last time I checked. When she punched the massive boulder covering up where Sasori was hiding behind, it didn't explode. It cracked then fell apart.

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How is her Jutsu explosion based? Her Yin seal merely gives her 3 years of chakra which to overload her chakra system with.

It is not explosion based. The explosion in the latest chapters came as a result of such a powerfully physical punch.

Now I understand that the chakra is diverted into the fist.

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But because the jutsu basically requires that the user has excellent chakra control, that means any part of the body can be used as a weapon. It is not relegated only to the fist (and that in of itself wouldn't make any sense since the actual punching power comes from the arm, not the fist, the chakra in the fist probably just hardens the skin to prevent damage to the body.)

No that is not what I am saying.
And no these powerful punches dont come from her physical strength.I have never seen anyone being able to divert chakra in their muscle, you have to provide a manga scan fort your argument to be valid

 

[TheEvilOne]

No that is not what I am saying.
And no these powerful punches dont come from her physical strength.I have never seen someone being able to divert chakra in their muscle, you have to provide a manga scan fort your argument to be valid

Tsunade lifted a giant sword in the air. Tho maybe it was her base strength.

 

[Obito3631]

Tsunade lifted a giant sword in the air. Tho maybe it was her base strength.

Yes it was her base strength, unlike Sakura, Tsunade actually is exceptionally physically strong and she doesnt have to enhance her fist with chakra

 

[aimop95]

No that is not what I am saying.
And no these powerful punches dont come from her physical strength.I have never seen someone being able to divert chakra in their muscle, you have to provide a manga scan fort your argument to be valid

So tell me then. If she isn't using her chakra to divert power into her muscle. What is she doing? Injecting chakra into a rock?

If so then she probably could be the most successful genjutsu user in the world because the concept behind genjutsu is injecting the users own chakra into the victim and upsetting the chakra flow in the victim.


Please tell me how what she is doing is not strength enhancing. I mean, what is Chakra Enhanced Strength? That is literally the name for the jutsu.

Sasori himself calls it strength.

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Unless you are making the case that she either injects into objects or that it is explosion based. This jutsu is what it's name is. Chakra enhanced strength.

 

[Obito3631]

So tell me then. If she isn't using her chakra to divert power into her muscle. What is she doing? Injecting chakra into a rock?

If so then she probably could be the most successful genjutsu user in the world because the concept behind genjutsu is injecting the users own chakra into the victim and upsetting the chakra flow in the victim.



Please tell me how what she is doing is not strength enhancing. I mean, what is Chakra Enhanced Strength? That is literally the name for the jutsu.

Sasori himself calls it strength.

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Unless you are making the case that she either injects into objects or that it is explosion based. This jutsu is what it's name is. Chakra enhanced strength.

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This is a technique where the user focuses chakra into their hands and feet using precise chakra control and releases it with pinpoint timing,

As a matter of fact, yes it is kind of like injecting, and she doesn't focuse the chakra in her muscle, only in her hands or feet, as the wikia itself says.

It is artifical strength, not physical strength, and she isnt ripping anyone's arm off with artifical strength.

You definitely need to reread the manga over again

 

[aimop95]

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This is a technique where the user focuses chakra into their hands and feet using precise chakra control and releases it with pinpoint timing,

As a matter of fact, yes it is kind of like injecting, and she doesn't focuse the chakra in her muscle, only in her hands or feet, as the wikia itself says.

It is artifical strength, not physical strength, and she isnt ripping anyone's arm off with artifical strength.

You definitely need to reread the manga over again

Except that I am.

Notice how the wiki also says "greatly enhances their strength". Now explain that to me. Unless by strength it means "battle effectiveness" I'm fairly sure it means what the general world associates with the word strength. Muscle power.

it doesn't matter if it's artificial strength or her own strength. The point is that there is chakra being diverted to a part of the body that gives the raw power to do feats.

Now if I am to understand correctly, do you mean to say that (you interpret) the technique uses the chakra as a sort of micro-spear? that shoots into the object with such force the object breaks.

Even in that case, one could so aptly say that then Sakura "slices" Hidan's arm off with her punch (since the technique [at least the way you interpret it] injects chakra with such force that it can demolish practically anything).

Edit: Actually that makes more sense now since it is a medial ninjutsu...

 

[ToshiZO]

I don't see a scan of where Hidan outclasses Sakura in physical strength at all. That's your assumption until you have evidence.

In any case, it isn't raw physical strength. It's Chakara enhanced physical strength. We were never talking about raw physical strength because I'm fairly sure the Raikage beats everyone hands down.

Sakura's yin seal grants her 3 years of chakra that can all be put into one arm. That's more than enough power to rip some ones arm off. Unless you are saying that the jutsu she uses is more explosion based than anything else (which it isn't as far as I can tell).

Yup thats exactly what Im saying. And regarding base strength:

Third Databook:

Sakura strength: 3

Hidan strength: 4

She isnt even fast enough to grab on to his arm, you realize Asuma was even faster than Hidan yet he couldnt even scratch him much less grab on to one of his limbs. Besides I already explained in my previous post to TheEvilOne how he can fight with bones broken in his body so even if Sakura manges to get him with a punch it isnt affecting him in the least.

 

[Obito3631]

Except that I am.

Notice how the wiki also says "greatly enhances their strength". Now explain that to me. Unless by strength it means "battle effectiveness" I'm fairly sure it means what the general world associates with the word strength. Muscle power.

it doesn't matter if it's artificial strength or her own strength. The point is that there is chakra being diverted to a part of the body that gives the raw power to do feats.

Now if I am to understand correctly, do you mean to say that (you interpret) the technique uses the chakra as a sort of micro-spear? that shoots into the object with such force the object breaks.

Even in that case, one could so aptly say that then Sakura "slices" Hidan's arm off with her punch (since the technique [at least the way you interpret it] injects chakra with such force that it can demolish practically anything.

The description of the jutsu is fairly facile to comprehend. Care to read carefully? Initially, any punches is applied with strength, even if the initial force of her punch is weak, there is still strength applied. Hence the word "enhance her strength" Yes she has muscle power, everyone does, but her muscle power is even inferior to Hidan's.

It is useful for punches and kicks and it has extreme destructive power, but pulling something for instance, ripping someone's arm off require actual muscle strength which she doesn't have, period.

 

[aimop95]

Yup thats exactly what Im saying. And regarding base strength:

Third Databook:

Sakura strength: 3

Hidan strength: 4

She isnt even fast enough to grab on to his arm, you realize Asuma was even faster than Hidan yet he couldnt even scratch him much less grab on to one of his limbs. Besides I already explained in my previous post to TheEvilOne how he can fight with bones broken in his body so even if Sakura manges to get him with a punch it isnt affecting him in the least.

The description of the jutsu is fairly facile to comprehend. Care to read carefully? Initially, any punches is applied with strength, even if the initial force of her punch is weak, it's still strength. Hence the word "enhance her strength" Yes she has muscle power, everyone does, but her muscle power is even inferior to Hidan's.

It is useful for punches and kicks and it has extreme destructive power, but pulling something for instance, ripping someone's arm off require actual muscle strength which she doesn't have, period.

Fine...I fold.