War Arc Sakura is Equal to EMS Sasuke and KCM Naruto.

[salamander uchiha]

You really are delusional, where the manga scan at? I didn't ask for filler anime or your head canon. I'll post two scans for you to show Naruto in RSM, enhanced by the yang seals powers, kicked the TSB away (Madara confirmed this) and couldn't destroy it. And then Madara used the same TSB to stop Naruto's attack.

Spoiler: RSM Naruto kicks away Madara's TSB

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literally with this picture
see when the truth back to madara
it exploded so no u literally prove what I said

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RSM Naruto talking to Madara
dosen't do anything to our comparison

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The TSB RSM Naruto kicked back wasn't destroyed Madara pulled it out of the tree and changed it into a rod

wrong
madara create another one
literally he have six why do u think that he take exploded truth seeking orps???? when he can create another one

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Naruto punches the TSB rod can break it.

naruto punch
didn't break that tsb
because hhh literally because to break it u need to use senjutsu
he didn't use senjutsu in that time


So your logic is RSM/6PSM Naruto is weaker than a toad who is weaker than TSM Naruro, because they could damage a TSB but RSM Naruto couldn't.

my logic is no matter how strong is the truth u can break it by senjutsu it it's the manga logic they stated that
so no it's the manga logic


Btw, this confirms Madara's TSBs are stronger than Obito's and strong enough that not even RSM/6PSM Naruto could destroy them. The only one who legitimately destroys the TSBs of this RSM and Yang seal powered Naruto is Madara.

literally that not prove actually your lack of information makes you look like idiot
yes
sm naruto when he uses the senjutsu chakra destroy opitu orps
but that doesn't mean that
madara orps is stronger
because literally rsm naruto didn't use the senjutsu in most of his attack
but we saw him one shots madara and destroy his orps without using the senjutsu
and
yes same madara that naruto easily ne shot him and
literally even kaguya was scared that zetsu plan will fail because madara will die from base spsm naruto so she told him to absorb her
and
literally destroy
madara body >>>> destroy the tree >>>>>> destroy all the truth seeking orps compind
and literally opitu orps are way bigger than madara literally opitu orps create the sage of six path sword same sword that is much stronger than any orps of madara yes even with that they destroy it

When you answer this with manga scans, and not anime filler I will consider the other fanfic you posted

what filler??literally u send a picture from the manga prove what I said and u couldn't answer the rest of what I said
and these episodes isn't filler

and literally
naruto
was strong enough to cut kaguya arm
and he was strong enough to literally overmatch kaguya for moments using boil release

kaguya arm of her whole body= all of madara orps compind
so
literally
he have enough feats to say that he can destroy it actually no difficulty
especially when he cut kaguya arm

and
literally
the reason that he didn't destroy some of his truths seeking orps
because
it wasn't problem for him literally madara couldn't even touch naruto in that time they overmatch him with mid difficulty
and literally he destroy one of his truths seeking orps when he kicked it
madara couldn't even control it
literally exploded behind madara and he made another one


so
literally
u can't say that it's stronger there's no proof that it's stronger especially when ht comes from the same form especially when naruto didn't use the senjutsu against madara orps because
no matter how strong is the character he can't destroy it without the senjutsu
so literally saying that
rsm without senjutsu didn't destroy the orps when he did using senjutsu for the first time
but
saying that he didn't destroy the orps without senjutsu
dosen't mean that
he can't destroy the orps with senjutsu because as I explain again
no matter how strong is the orps the senjutsu is the weakness of it


but u change the topic
literally we are talking about sakura and how orps one shot sakura ass
and how that she is pregnant because that
and in the same time
madara lost his arm and couldn't do anything without the gedu mazo
literally
blind madara >>>> madara orp
madara orp one shot sakura
when blind madara had mid diff fight against gaara who isn't shit compared to naruto
against naruto he needed the gedu mazo
when against sakura orp small orp not using it's full power
made sakura cry like bich

I didn't ask for your fanfic, Naruto was able to touch is becaus he was in RSM. If you're in rokudo sage mode you're using rokudo senjutsu. You see that glow around Naruto's hand it's from RSM. You wann tell us why he who is superior to all jutsu used by a toad or toad sage mode Naruto couldn't even dent the TSB let alone break it. I'm waiting for the manga scans, and not your delusonal head canon.

I'll quote my post once again so you can tell us what went wrong?


You really are delusional, where the manga scan at? I didn't ask for filler anime or your head canon. I'll post two scans for you to show Naruto in RSM, enhanced by the yang seals powers, kicked the TSB away (Madara confirmed this) and couldn't destroy it. And then Madara used the same TSB to stop Naruto's attack.

Spoiler: RSM Naruto kicks away Madara's TSB

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RSM Naruto kicked back the TSB

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RSM Naruto talking to Madara

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The TSB RSM Naruto kicked back wasn't destroyed Madara pulled it out of the tree and changed it into a rod

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Naruto punches the TSB rod can break it.

So your logic is RSM/6PSM Naruto is weaker than a toad who is weaker than TSM Naruro, because they could damage a TSB but RSM Naruto couldn't.

Btw, this confirms Madara's TSBs are stronger than Obito's and strong enough that not even RSM/6PSM Naruto could destroy them. The only one who legitimately destroys the TSBs of this RSM and Yang seal powered Naruto is Madara.

When you answer this with manga scans, and not anime filler, I will consider the other fanfic you posted

 

[mustafadriweesh]

					I didn't ask for your fanfic, Naruto was able to touch is becaus he was in RSM. If you're in rokudo sage mode you're using rokudo senjutsu. You see that glow around Naruto's hand it's from RSM. You wann tell us why he who is superior to all jutsu used by a toad or toad sage mode Naruto couldn't even dent the TSB let alone break it. I'm waiting for the manga scans, and not your delusonal head canon. I'll quote my post once again so you can tell us what went wrong? You really are delusional, where the manga scan at? I didn't ask for filler anime or your head canon. I'll post two scans for you to show Naruto in RSM, enhanced by the yang seals powers, kicked the TSB away (Madara confirmed this) and couldn't destroy it. And then Madara used the same TSB to stop Naruto's attack. Spoiler: RSM Naruto kicks away Madara's TSB You must be registered for see images RSM Naruto kicked back the TSB You must be registered for see images RSM Naruto talking to Madara You must be registered for see images The TSB RSM Naruto kicked back wasn't destroyed Madara pulled it out of the tree and changed it into a rod You must be registered for see images Naruto punches the TSB rod can break it. So your logic is RSM/6PSM Naruto is weaker than a toad who is weaker than TSM Naruro, because they could damage a TSB but RSM Naruto couldn't. Btw, this confirms Madara's TSBs are stronger than Obito's and strong enough that not even RSM/6PSM Naruto could destroy them. The only one who legitimately destroys the TSBs of this RSM and Yang seal powered Naruto is Madara. When you answer this with manga scans, and not anime filler, I will consider the other fanfic you posted first of even if he was using the six path sage mode he literally only use taijutsu taijutsu isn't senjutsu second I literally explained that but as I said the fanboys ignore the points that they can't answer like u ignoring 80% of my points and just taking one point i explained even if naruto didn't destroy the truth doesn't mean that he can't hhh literally naruto with shadow clone he cut kaguya arm he literally overmatch her using the boil release so literally that feats is enough to say that the truth seeking orps is shit compared to naruto because literally kaguya arm>>>madara body >>>>>> madara truth seeking orps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sakura so no he can do that not doing something doesn't mean he can't do that and we have naruto clone outmatch madara limpo madara limpo are as strong as madara himself madara is much stronger than his orps compind so and about sage mode naruto vs madara clone literally they stated that any truth seeking orps have weakness it's the senjutsu literally sage mode naruto have this senjutsu so literally he have the key to destroy it the truth seeking orps it's like big door when u have the key u can open it but when someone stronger than u want to open it he can't do that without key naruto against madara only used taijutsu his strength he didn't use senjutsu so literally with the manga if we replace sage mode naruto with sakura literally naruto will be able to do that no difficulty so literally that doesn't make sakura stronger especially when we saw kcm2 naruto power sakura up 3 times with the whole shinope world and we saw sakura full power wasn't strong enough to open portal she only opened it for seconds that not shit compared to naruto kcm1 level not just kcm2 so literally when naruto power up sakura 3 times and when sakura couldn't even open portal and when sakura get her ass kicked by orp when madara Lost his arm against gaara and needed gedu mazo to not beat but take the nine tails from naruto that Alone proves that she is shit actually

 

[Kakooli]

					first of even if he was using the six path sage mode he literally only use taijutsu taijutsu isn't senjutsu second I literally explained that but as I said the fanboys ignore the points that they can't answer like u ignoring 80% of my points and just taking one point i explained even if naruto didn't destroy the truth doesn't mean that he can't hhh literally naruto with shadow clone he cut kaguya arm he literally overmatch her using the boil release so literally that feats is enough to say that the truth seeking orps is shit compared to naruto because literally kaguya arm>>>madara body >>>>>> madara truth seeking orps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sakura so no he can do that not doing something doesn't mean he can't do that and we have naruto clone outmatch madara limpo madara limpo are as strong as madara himself madara is much stronger than his orps compind so and about sage mode naruto vs madara clone literally they stated that any truth seeking orps have weakness it's the senjutsu literally sage mode naruto have this senjutsu so literally he have the key to destroy it the truth seeking orps isn't strength it's hax u can beat ²

u need show womens a more respekt........ sakura>saskey>naruto with no rsm.............

 

[minamoto]

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lakookie...stop bully a new menberz who joint tis site..

 

[mustafadriweesh]

I didn't ask for your fanfic, Naruto was able to touch is becaus he was in RSM. If you're in rokudo sage mode you're using rokudo senjutsu. You see that glow around Naruto's hand it's from RSM. You wann tell us why he who is superior to all jutsu used by a toad or toad sage mode Naruto couldn't even dent the TSB let alone break it. I'm waiting for the manga scans, and not your delusonal head canon.

I'll quote my post once again so you can tell us what went wrong?


You really are delusional, where the manga scan at? I didn't ask for filler anime or your head canon. I'll post two scans for you to show Naruto in RSM, enhanced by the yang seals powers, kicked the TSB away (Madara confirmed this) and couldn't destroy it. And then Madara used the same TSB to stop Naruto's attack.

Spoiler: RSM Naruto kicks away Madara's TSB

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RSM Naruto kicked back the TSB

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RSM Naruto talking to Madara

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The TSB RSM Naruto kicked back wasn't destroyed Madara pulled it out of the tree and changed it into a rod

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Naruto punches the TSB rod can break it.

So your logic is RSM/6PSM Naruto is weaker than a toad who is weaker than TSM Naruro, because they could damage a TSB but RSM Naruto couldn't.

Btw, this confirms Madara's TSBs are stronger than Obito's and strong enough that not even RSM/6PSM Naruto could destroy them. The only one who legitimately destroys the TSBs of this RSM and Yang seal powered Naruto is Madara.

When you answer this with manga scans, and not anime filler, I will consider the other fanfic you posted

and about the
anime
literally these anime episodes aren't filler
can u prove that it's filler???
no

and
oh
I remember sakura get her ass kicked in boruto by shin
shin literally got his ass kicked by fire ball
so
literally
fire ball was stronger than shin same shin that literally shit on sakura
so
literally fire ball >>> shin >>>> sakura
literally the fire ball won't do anything to sage mode naruto

and
literally sakura had hard time to beat someone that wasn't perfect jinchuriki
she literally needed strategy to beat him hard difficulty
when
naruto with sage mode beats the nine tails without strategy

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u need show womens a more respekt........ sakura>saskey>naruto with no rsm.............

there's no proof for that
especially when
she got her ass kicked by someone that wasn't fire ball level

 

[salamander uchiha]

					first of even if he was using the six path sage mode he literally only use taijutsu taijutsu isn't senjutsu second I literally explained that but as I said the fanboys ignore the points that they can't answer like u ignoring 80% of my points and just taking one point i explained even if naruto didn't destroy the truth doesn't mean that he can't hhh literally naruto with shadow clone he cut kaguya arm he literally overmatch her using the boil release so literally that feats is enough to say that the truth seeking orps is shit compared to naruto because literally kaguya arm>>>madara body >>>>>> madara truth seeking orps >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>sakura so no he can do that not doing something doesn't mean he can't do that and we have naruto clone outmatch madara limpo madara limpo are as strong as madara himself madara is much stronger than his orps compind so and about sage mode naruto vs madara clone literally they stated that any truth seeking orps have weakness it's the senjutsu literally sage mode naruto have this senjutsu so literally he have the key to destroy it the truth seeking orps it's like big door when u have the key u can open it but when someone stronger than u want to open it he can't do that without key naruto against madara only used taijutsu his strength he didn't use senjutsu so literally with the manga if we replace sage mode naruto with sakura literally naruto will be able to do that no difficulty so literally that doesn't make sakura stronger especially when we saw kcm2 naruto power sakura up 3 times with the whole shinope world and we saw sakura full power wasn't strong enough to open portal she only opened it for seconds that not shit compared to naruto kcm1 level not just kcm2 so literally when naruto power up sakura 3 times and when sakura couldn't even open portal and when sakura get her ass kicked by orp when madara Lost his arm against gaara and needed gedu mazo to not beat but take the nine tails from naruto that Alone proves that she is shit actually

More manure, 8th gates guy punches JJ Madara through the TSB cracking it and he wasn't using any senjutsu either. Next are you going to tell us that 8th gate is stronger than the RSM user

I will quote my post again for you and remember a nonsenjutsu user cracked Madara's TSB by punching him through it so why couldn't Naruro who's whole body is emitting senjutsu chakra. That allows him to touch TSBs with no effect

I didn't ask for your fanfic, Naruto was able to touch is becaus he was in RSM. If you're in rokudo sage mode you're using rokudo senjutsu. You see that glow around Naruto's hand it's from RSM. You wann tell us why he who is superior to all jutsu used by a toad or toad sage mode Naruto couldn't even dent the TSB let alone break it. I'm waiting for the manga scans, and not your delusonal head canon.

I'll quote my post once again so you can tell us what went wrong?


You really are delusional, where the manga scan at? I didn't ask for filler anime or your head canon. I'll post two scans for you to show Naruto in RSM, enhanced by the yang seals powers, kicked the TSB away (Madara confirmed this) and couldn't destroy it. And then Madara used the same TSB to stop Naruto's attack.

Spoiler: RSM Naruto kicks away Madara's TSB

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RSM Naruto kicked back the TSB

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RSM Naruto talking to Madara

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The TSB RSM Naruto kicked back wasn't destroyed Madara pulled it out of the tree and changed it into a rod

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Naruto punches the TSB rod can break it.

So your logic is RSM/6PSM Naruto is weaker than a toad who is weaker than TSM Naruro, because they could damage a TSB but RSM Naruto couldn't.

Btw, this confirms Madara's TSBs are stronger than Obito's and strong enough that not even RSM/6PSM Naruto could destroy them. The only one who legitimately destroys the TSBs of this RSM and Yang seal powered Naruto is Madara.

When you answer this with manga scans, and not anime filler, I will consider the other fanfic you posted

and about the
anime
literally these anime episodes aren't filler
can u prove that it's filler???
no

and
oh
I remember sakura get her ass kicked in boruto by shin
shin literally got his ass kicked by fire ball
so
literally
fire ball was stronger than shin same shin that literally shit on sakura
so
literally fire ball >>> shin >>>> sakura
literally the fire ball won't do anything to sage mode naruto

and
literally sakura had hard time to beat someone that wasn't perfect jinchuriki
she literally needed strategy to beat him hard difficulty
when
naruto with sage mode beats the nine tails without strategy

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there's no proof for that
especially when
she got her ass kicked by someone that wasn't fire ball level

Anime's filler it's not written by Kishimoto, only the manga and the databooks are his official work.

 

[minamoto]

and about the
anime
literally these anime episodes aren't filler
can u prove that it's filler???
no

and
oh
I remember sakura get her ass kicked in boruto by shin
shin literally got his ass kicked by fire ball
so
literally
fire ball was stronger than shin same shin that literally shit on sakura
so
literally fire ball >>> shin >>>> sakura
literally the fire ball won't do anything to sage mode naruto

and
literally sakura had hard time to beat someone that wasn't perfect jinchuriki
she literally needed strategy to beat him hard difficulty
when
naruto with sage mode beats the nine tails without strategy

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there's no proof for that
especially when
she got her ass kicked by someone that wasn't fire ball level

literally madara killed naroto and sasuke...

madara litterally fried sasuke like sausage ..and sent naroto to his maker..

litery naroto and sasuke power compined can not teafeat matara thats is if letrally have full power of orps compined..

now don't pe silly pecuz u know madara solos..

 

[salamander uchiha]

literally madara killed naroto and sasuke...

madara litterally fried sasuke like sausage ..and sent naroto to his maker..

litery naroto and sasuke power compined can not teafeat matara thats is if letrally have full power of orps compined..

now don't pe silly pecuz u know madara solos..

Good to have you back, Minamoto San.

 

[Kakooli]

lakookie...stop bully a new menberz who joint tis site..

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lakookie...stop bully a new menberz who joint tis site..

he not new.....he is psycho stalker alt member who have grudge against lakookie.....

and about the
anime
literally these anime episodes aren't filler
can u prove that it's filler???
no

and
oh
I remember sakura get her ass kicked in boruto by shin
shin literally got his ass kicked by fire ball
so
literally
fire ball was stronger than shin same shin that literally shit on sakura
so
literally fire ball >>> shin >>>> sakura
literally the fire ball won't do anything to sage mode naruto

and
literally sakura had hard time to beat someone that wasn't perfect jinchuriki
she literally needed strategy to beat him hard difficulty
when
naruto with sage mode beats the nine tails without strategy

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there's no proof for that
especially when
she got her ass kicked by someone that wasn't fire ball level

sakura beat kaguya..........without rsm powers........

 

[mustafadriweesh]

More manure, 8th gates guy punches JJ Madara through the TSB cracking it and he wasn't using any senjutsu either. Next are you going to tell us that 8th gate is stronger than the RSM user

8th gate???
where did he do that
literally minato was scared that 8th gate guy was going to die before he kill madara
so minato took the truth seeking orps
give me scan where did he do that and even if he did sakura isn't shit compared to sm naruto
might guy is different level
and
naruto literary one shots madara when might guy couldn't do that
he needed whole fight to do that
u call me delusional and
u think that just taijutsu can destroy orp without giving any prove??? what stupid fanboy

I will quote my post again for you and remember a nonsenjutsu user cracked Madara's TSB by punching him through it so why couldn't Naruro who's whole body is emitting senjutsu chakra. That allows him to touch TSBs with no effect
no one did that actually
and about naruto
using taijutsu is different from using senjutsu
literally when naruto use his jutsu he literally cut madara body and with the whole tree
literally cutting the tree is much stronger than destroying the truth seeking orps
cutting madara body is different story

I didn't ask for your fanfic, Naruto was able to touch is becaus he was in RSM. If you're in rokudo sage mode you're using rokudo senjutsu. You see that glow around Naruto's hand it's from RSM. You wann tell us why he who is superior to all jutsu used by a toad or toad sage mode Naruto couldn't even dent the TSB let alone break it. I'm waiting for the manga scans, and not your delusonal head canon.

rsm naruto didn't break it
because literally madara same as opitu can power up his truths seeking orps
unlike sakura
madara did that when naruto attack
and we literally saw naruto without using that chakra just taijutsu touch the truth seeking orps
but when he did that against sakura
hhh he just moves the truth seeking orps without any problems and done sakura die that different from just use it to defend yourself

and about naruto punch
he just punch madara using small amounts of chakra that not superior to sm rasnshorekn naruto
literally naruto with sm using just normal rasngan force madara to use the sosano
same madara that is much stronger than any orp
and literally even gaara do that
forcing madara to use his sosano
is better than just get one shotted by orps
because as I said again
madara body >>>> any truth seeking orps

I'll quote my post once again so you can tell us what went wrong?


You really are delusional, where the manga scan at? I didn't ask for filler anime or your head canon. I'll post two scans for you to show Naruto in RSM, enhanced by the yang seals powers, kicked the TSB away (Madara confirmed this) and couldn't destroy it. And then Madara used the same TSB to stop Naruto's attack.

and I said again u need to prove that it's filler before saying that it's filler are delusional because u don't have prove literally
these episodes wasn't filler
what is the filler
madara vs naruto and sasuke
or madara vs gaara
or that statement of the truth seeking orps
chose one and I will give u
if u think that the last one is filler I am done

Spoiler: RSM Naruto kicks away Madara's TSB

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RSM Naruto kicked back the TSB

kicking the truth seeking orps
mean u outmatch it
literally means u are stronger

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RSM Naruto talking to Madara

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The TSB RSM Naruto kicked back wasn't destroyed Madara pulled it out of the tree and changed it into a rod

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Naruto punches the TSB rod can break it.

naruto using small amounts of chakra and didn't break it
that doesn't mean that he when use huge amounts of chakra like when he did against opitu
won't do that

So your logic is RSM/6PSM Naruto is weaker than a toad who is weaker than TSM Naruro, because they could damage a TSB but RSM Naruto couldn't.

Btw, this confirms Madara's TSBs are stronger than Obito's and strong enough that not even RSM/6PSM Naruto could destroy them. The only one who legitimately destroys the TSBs of this RSM and Yang seal powered Naruto is Madara.

When you answer this with manga scans, and not anime filler, I will consider the other fanfic you posted






Anime's filler it's not written by Kishimoto, only the manga and the databooks are his official work.

yes anime filler isn't written by kishimoto
but
the whole war arc is written by kishimoto the whole war arc isn't filler

literally
all u said doesn't prove that naruto can't destroy it
like I said again
not doing something doesn't mean that you can't do it
literally
naruto as I said again cut kaguya arm
kaguya arm is above madara truth seeking orps compind
naruto literary outmatch kaguya using his boil release
doing that is in different level from destroy the truth seeking orps
and
why naruto didn't destroy it
well
literally naruto using taijutsu as I said it's different
the chakra that he used it's the chakra of hagoromo
not senjutsu chakra
and literally
even sage mode naruto naruto use senjutsu
but that doesn't mean that he can destroy the truth seeking orps using his taijutsu

and
even if he can't even if he can't
literally
that doesn't mean that sakura is above his level
literally
she didn't do anything to madara truth seeking orps
no literally these orps was going to kill sakura

with feats sakura isn't shit compared to kcm1 naruto
literally
naruto
shadow clone power sakura up 3 times with the whole shinope world yes even with that u want to prove that she is stronger
just because we saw her dying from one orp????
even when he literally power her up 3 times
and
sakura
full power couldn't even open portal
hhhh her chakra level isn't shit compared to naruto

and she get her ass kicked by shin
shin literally got his ass kicked by normal fire ball
normal fire ball won't do anything to sage mode naruto
so
literally
fire ball was stronger than sakura
yes even with that u think that she can do anything to biju mode naruto???
are u drunk
and
as I said again she had hard time in the novel to
beat not perfect jinchuriki
she literally needed a strategy to do that
needing strategy to beat not perfect jinchuriki with hard difficulty??
that shit makes her low kage level
literally sm naruto one shot the 3rd raikage who is 8th tails level
the 8th tails is above not perfect jinchuriki

but even with that
u will just ignore all of my points
like always and will change the topic u ignored about 90% of my points
and go to one point
about naruto didn't destroy madara orp
and u explain that as if he can't do that
and by that u want to prove that sakura is above biju sm naruto???

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Good to have you back, Minamoto San.

oh and yes
we have minato
literally
using sage mode that wasn't perfect sage mode as naruto
he tank the truth seeking orps
he literally tanked them all to save might guy
and his sage mode is much weaker than naruto sage mode
and literally tank all the truth seeking orps
compind when sakura get her ass kicked by one

so literally minato who is much weaker than naruto sage mode
tank the truth seeking orps compind
when sakura couldn't do that
yes with that even bee
is above sakura
and
she might be hinata level

 

[salamander uchiha]

literally
all u said doesn't prove that naruto can't destroy it
like I said again
not doing something doesn't mean that you can't do it
literally
naruto as I said again cut kaguya arm
kaguya arm is above madara truth seeking orps compind
naruto literary outmatch kaguya using his boil release
doing that is in different level from destroy the truth seeking orps
and
why naruto didn't destroy it
well
literally naruto using taijutsu as I said it's different
the chakra that he used it's the chakra of hagoromo
not senjutsu chakra
and literally
even sage mode naruto naruto use senjutsu
but that doesn't mean that he can destroy the truth seeking orps using his taijutsu

and
even if he can't even if he can't
literally
that doesn't mean that sakura is above his level
literally
she didn't do anything to madara truth seeking orps
no literally these orps was going to kill sakura

with feats sakura isn't shit compared to kcm1 naruto
literally
naruto
shadow clone power sakura up 3 times with the whole shinope world yes even with that u want to prove that she is stronger
just because we saw her dying from one orp????
even when he literally power her up 3 times
and
sakura
full power couldn't even open portal
hhhh her chakra level isn't shit compared to naruto

and she get her ass kicked by shin
shin literally got his ass kicked by normal fire ball
normal fire ball won't do anything to sage mode naruto
so
literally
fire ball was stronger than sakura
yes even with that u think that she can do anything to biju mode naruto???
are u drunk
and
as I said again she had hard time in the novel to
beat not perfect jinchuriki
she literally needed a strategy to do that
needing strategy to beat not perfect jinchuriki with hard difficulty??
that shit makes her low kage level
literally sm naruto one shot the 3rd raikage who is 8th tails level
the 8th tails is above not perfect jinchuriki

but even with that
u will just ignore all of my points
like always and will change the topic u ignored about 90% of my points
and go to one point
about naruto didn't destroy madara orp
and u explain that as if he can't do that
and by that u want to prove that sakura is above biju sm naruto???

Where the facts at, Guy wrecked a TSB and blew Madara through it, yet RSM Naruto couldn't. What senjutsu was Guy using, unlike Naruro who is the state of RSM.

Going by the reasoning you applied Guy > TSM Naruto > Frog > RSM Naruto

Kind of hurts whe your head canon and fanfic is wrecked, I know.

When you have some canon manga facts to back your case, we'll talk.

Until then I will requote my post for you to contemplate and form a credible answer to it.

More manure, 8th gates guy punches JJ Madara through the TSB cracking it and he wasn't using any senjutsu either. Next are you going to tell us that 8th gate is stronger than the RSM user

I will quote my post again for you and remember a nonsenjutsu user Guy cracked Madara's TSB by punching him through it so why couldn't Naruto who's whole body is emitting senjutsu chakra. That allows him to touch TSBs with no effect

I didn't ask for your fanfic, Naruto was able to touch is becaus he was in RSM. If you're in rokudo sage mode you're using rokudo senjutsu. You see that glow around Naruto's hand it's from RSM. You wann tell us why he who is superior to all jutsu used by a toad or toad sage mode Naruto couldn't even dent the TSB let alone break it. I'm waiting for the manga scans, and not your delusonal head canon.

I'll quote my post once again so you can tell us what went wrong?


You really are delusional, where the manga scan at? I didn't ask for filler anime or your head canon. I'll post two scans for you to show Naruto in RSM, enhanced by the yang seals powers, kicked the TSB away (Madara confirmed this) and couldn't destroy it. And then Madara used the same TSB to stop Naruto's attack.

Spoiler: RSM Naruto kicks away Madara's TSB

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RSM Naruto kicked back the TSB

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RSM Naruto talking to Madara

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The TSB RSM Naruto kicked back wasn't destroyed Madara pulled it out of the tree and changed it into a rod

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Naruto punches the TSB rod can break it.

So your logic is RSM/6PSM Naruto is weaker than a toad who is weaker than TSM Naruro, because they could damage a TSB but RSM Naruto couldn't.

Btw, this confirms Madara's TSBs are stronger than Obito's and strong enough that not even RSM/6PSM Naruto could destroy them. The only one who legitimately destroys the TSBs of this RSM and Yang seal powered Naruto is Madara.

When you answer this with manga scans, and not anime filler, I will consider the other fanfic you posted



Anime's filler it's not written by Kishimoto, only the manga and the databooks are his official work

Let me know when you bring the facts, not more gibberish.

 

[mustafadriweesh]

repeat your unproven point mean that u don' have another points and u couldn't answer 90% of my points
well that win for me
low diff win

Where the facts at, Guy wrecked a TSB and blew Madara through it, yet RSM Naruto couldn't. What senjutsu was Guy using, unlike Naruro who is the state of RSM.

I ask again
where did he do that

Going by the reasoning you applied Guy > TSM Naruto > Frog > RSM Naruto

hhhh I said again
not doing something doesn't mean that you can't do that
literally as I said again and u ignored again because u can't answer that
there's something called feats
when u have enough feat to say something then it's fact
what feats that makes me sure that naruto will shit on madara and his truths seeking orps
well over matching kaguya using boil release same kaguya that will just one shot madara
cutting kaguya arm means that the truth seeking orps is like ant in the battlefield for naruto

Kind of hurts whe your head canon and fanfic is wrecked, I know.

When you have some canon manga facts to back your case, we'll talk.

hhhh 80% of your point u didn't give me your MANGA shit
like might guy destroying the truth seeking orps
and
about my fact give me one of my points and I will give you the manga to prove that

Until then I will requote my post for you to contemplate and form a credible answer to it.

u will repeat this post because u can't answer the other points
like sakura getting her ass kicked by shin who get his ass kicked by fire ball
literally
fire ball with that is above shin and shin is above sakura
and the fire ball won't do anything against sm naruto
or
like sakura couldn't even open portal for enough time
that makes her chakra level below even kid naruto
and we have naruto give sakura ass chakra that makes her 3 times stronger
yes even with that u want to say that she scales to him even when shadow clone makes her 3 times stronger

More manure, 8th gates guy punches JJ Madara through the TSB cracking it and he wasn't using any senjutsu either. Next are you going to tell us that 8th gate is stronger than the RSM user

u need to prove that before repeating that
where did that happened????


I will quote my post again for you and remember a nonsenjutsu user Guy cracked Madara's TSB by punching him through it so why couldn't Naruto who's whole body is emitting senjutsu chakra. That allows him to touch TSBs with no effect

hhhh repeating unproven points
won't help u where did that happen

I didn't ask for your fanfic, Naruto was able to touch is becaus he was in RSM. If you're in rokudo sage mode you're using rokudo senjutsu. You see that glow around Naruto's hand it's from RSM. You wann tell us why he who is superior to all jutsu used by a toad or toad sage mode Naruto couldn't even dent the TSB let alone break it. I'm waiting for the manga scans, and not your delusonal head canon.

using senjutsu chakra will be with the jutsu
taijutsu isn't senjutsu
we have madara
couldn't break naruto truth seeking orps using the taijutsu
when he used his limpo and he uses the senjutsu chakra
with your logic he can't destroy the truth seeking orps but wrong
literally when he uses the sage art jutsu he destroy the truth seeking orps
because he uses senjutsu chakra
not using his taijutsu

I'll quote my post once again so you can tell us what went wrong?


You really are delusional, where the manga scan at? I didn't ask for filler anime or your head canon. I'll post two scans for you to show Naruto in RSM, enhanced by the yang seals powers, kicked the TSB away (Madara confirmed this) and couldn't destroy it. And then Madara used the same TSB to stop Naruto's attack.

I literally told u the whole arc is written by kishimoto
literally u can't prove that it's filler u just repeat your unwanted opinion

Spoiler: RSM Naruto kicks away Madara's TSB

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RSM Naruto kicked back the TSB

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RSM Naruto talking to Madara

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The TSB RSM Naruto kicked back wasn't destroyed Madara pulled it out of the tree and changed it into a rod

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Naruto punches the TSB rod can break it.

So your logic is RSM/6PSM Naruto is weaker than a toad who is weaker than TSM Naruro, because they could damage a TSB but RSM Naruto couldn't.

Btw, this confirms Madara's TSBs are stronger than Obito's and strong enough that not even RSM/6PSM Naruto could destroy them. The only one who legitimately destroys the TSBs of this RSM and Yang seal powered Naruto is Madara.

I already answer that

When you answer this with manga scans, and not anime filler, I will consider the other fanfic you posted



Anime's filler it's not written by Kishimoto, only the manga and the databooks are his official work

Let me know when you bring the facts, not more gibberish.

u literally just repeating point that I already answered
and you're whole argument is based on moments when sakura was dying because orp
and with that u want to prove that she scales above them ????
and literally I give u alot of points prove that how shit sakura is compared to naruto and sasuke
she is like a pet for team seven
literally
ine of team seven members
team seven the strongest team ever
one of his members get her ass kicked by shin who couldn't do anything against normal small fire ball
literally one of team seven members
couldn't even open portal that shit makes kid naruto not teenage naruto but kid naruto beyond her
we have
sasuke
literally one shot sakura using genjutsu
something that didn't work on base naruto
literally genjutsu one shot sakura
when it didn't effect on base naruto
who should be weaker than kcm2 sm naruto

 

[minamoto]

repeat your unproven point mean that u don' have another points and u couldn't answer 90% of my points
well that win for me
low diff win

tute u must pe a hashish smoker if u say naroto and saoke were stronger then Madara...

 

[mustafadriweesh]

Where the facts at, Guy wrecked a TSB and blew Madara through it, yet RSM Naruto couldn't. What senjutsu was Guy using, unlike Naruro who is the state of RSM.

Going by the reasoning you applied Guy > TSM Naruto > Frog > RSM Naruto

Kind of hurts whe your head canon and fanfic is wrecked, I know.

When you have some canon manga facts to back your case, we'll talk.

Until then I will requote my post for you to contemplate and form a credible answer to it.

More manure, 8th gates guy punches JJ Madara through the TSB cracking it and he wasn't using any senjutsu either. Next are you going to tell us that 8th gate is stronger than the RSM user

I will quote my post again for you and remember a nonsenjutsu user Guy cracked Madara's TSB by punching him through it so why couldn't Naruto who's whole body is emitting senjutsu chakra. That allows him to touch TSBs with no effect

I didn't ask for your fanfic, Naruto was able to touch is becaus he was in RSM. If you're in rokudo sage mode you're using rokudo senjutsu. You see that glow around Naruto's hand it's from RSM. You wann tell us why he who is superior to all jutsu used by a toad or toad sage mode Naruto couldn't even dent the TSB let alone break it. I'm waiting for the manga scans, and not your delusonal head canon.

I'll quote my post once again so you can tell us what went wrong?


You really are delusional, where the manga scan at? I didn't ask for filler anime or your head canon. I'll post two scans for you to show Naruto in RSM, enhanced by the yang seals powers, kicked the TSB away (Madara confirmed this) and couldn't destroy it. And then Madara used the same TSB to stop Naruto's attack.

Spoiler: RSM Naruto kicks away Madara's TSB

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RSM Naruto kicked back the TSB

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RSM Naruto talking to Madara

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The TSB RSM Naruto kicked back wasn't destroyed Madara pulled it out of the tree and changed it into a rod

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Naruto punches the TSB rod can break it.

So your logic is RSM/6PSM Naruto is weaker than a toad who is weaker than TSM Naruro, because they could damage a TSB but RSM Naruto couldn't.

Btw, this confirms Madara's TSBs are stronger than Obito's and strong enough that not even RSM/6PSM Naruto could destroy them. The only one who legitimately destroys the TSBs of this RSM and Yang seal powered Naruto is Madara.

When you answer this with manga scans, and not anime filler, I will consider the other fanfic you posted



Anime's filler it's not written by Kishimoto, only the manga and the databooks are his official work
he literally works on urashiki arc
work on naruto the last film
how about the war arc

Let me know when you bring the facts, not more gibberish.

and another points
minato tank six truth seeking orps at the same time
when sakura couldn't tank one
literally
with that feat
minato >>> sakura
sage naruto will shit on sage minato
sage mode naruto >>> minato sage mode >> sakura

 

[Avaitto]

tute u must pe a hashish smoker if u say naroto and saoke were stronger then Madara...

Sasuke alone is stronger than Madara.

 

[mustafadriweesh]

tute u must pe a hashish smoker if u say naroto and saoke were stronger then Madara...

with feats
yeah he will shit on madara
literally the last fight prove that
madara got his ass kicked the whole fight
naruto didn't even use the boil release
literally with boil release he outmatch kaguya
kaguya will shit on madara
so using the boil release madara get his ass kicked by naruto

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Sasuke alone is stronger than Madara.

he is above madara by far

 

[salamander uchiha]

repeat your unproven point mean that u don' have another points and u couldn't answer 90% of my points
well that win for me
low diff win

you actually think you won, when you couldn't prove a single point. While everything I posted was canon facts. You couldn't even address how Guy (who doesn't use senjutsu) punched Madara through a TSB and broke it, while RSM Naruto couldn't even dent it while in six paths sage mode

I'll repeat my post again, your fanfic amuses me to no end. I hope you can at least address the problems with your fanfic, and head canon this time.

Where the facts at, Guy wrecked a TSB and blew Madara through it, yet RSM Naruto couldn't. What senjutsu was Guy using, unlike Naruro who is the state of RSM.

Going by the reasoning you applied Guy > TSM Naruto > Frog > RSM Naruto

Kind of hurts whe your head canon and fanfic is wrecked, I know.

When you have some canon manga facts to back your case, we'll talk.

Until then I will requote my post for you to contemplate and form a credible answer to it.

More manure, 8th gates guy punches JJ Madara through the TSB cracking it and he wasn't using any senjutsu either. Next are you going to tell us that 8th gate is stronger than the RSM user

I will quote my post again for you and remember a nonsenjutsu user Guy cracked Madara's TSB by punching him through it so why couldn't Naruto who's whole body is emitting senjutsu chakra. That allows him to touch TSBs with no effect

I didn't ask for your fanfic, Naruto was able to touch is becaus he was in RSM. If you're in rokudo sage mode you're using rokudo senjutsu. You see that glow around Naruto's hand it's from RSM. You wann tell us why he who is superior to all jutsu used by a toad or toad sage mode Naruto couldn't even dent the TSB let alone break it. I'm waiting for the manga scans, and not your delusonal head canon.

I'll quote my post once again so you can tell us what went wrong?


You really are delusional, where the manga scan at? I didn't ask for filler anime or your head canon. I'll post two scans for you to show Naruto in RSM, enhanced by the yang seals powers, kicked the TSB away (Madara confirmed this) and couldn't destroy it. And then Madara used the same TSB to stop Naruto's attack.

Spoiler: RSM Naruto kicks away Madara's TSB

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RSM Naruto kicked back the TSB

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RSM Naruto talking to Madara

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The TSB RSM Naruto kicked back wasn't destroyed Madara pulled it out of the tree and changed it into a rod

You must be registered for see images

Naruto punches the TSB rod can break it.

So your logic is RSM/6PSM Naruto is weaker than a toad who is weaker than TSM Naruro, because they could damage a TSB but RSM Naruto couldn't.

Btw, this confirms Madara's TSBs are stronger than Obito's and strong enough that not even RSM/6PSM Naruto could destroy them. The only one who legitimately destroys the TSBs of this RSM and Yang seal powered Naruto is Madara.

When you answer this with manga scans, and not anime filler, I will consider the other fanfic you posted



Anime's filler it's not written by Kishimoto, only the manga and the databooks are his official work

Let me know when you bring the facts, not more gibberish

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Sasuke alone is stronger than Madara.

Shit fanfic, Sasuke is weaker than Chojuro and Kurotsuchi who were keeping up with and shitting on Kinshiki. While Sasugay was running away like a fodder trying to survive. Without the Yin seal, ass pull power up Sasugay is pathetic.

 

[mustafadriweesh]

you actually think you won, when you couldn't prove a single point. While everything I posted was canon facts. You couldn't even address how Guy (who doesn't use senjutsu) punched Madara through a TSB and broke it, while RSM Naruto couldn't even dent it while in six paths sage mode

I'll repeat my post again, your fanfic amuses me to no end. I hope you can at least address the problems with your fanfic, and head canon this time.

Where the facts at, Guy wrecked a TSB and blew Madara through it, yet RSM Naruto couldn't. What senjutsu was Guy using, unlike Naruro who is the state of RSM.

Going by the reasoning you applied Guy > TSM Naruto > Frog > RSM Naruto

Kind of hurts whe your head canon and fanfic is wrecked, I know.

When you have some canon manga facts to back your case, we'll talk.

Until then I will requote my post for you to contemplate and form a credible answer to it.

More manure, 8th gates guy punches JJ Madara through the TSB cracking it and he wasn't using any senjutsu either. Next are you going to tell us that 8th gate is stronger than the RSM user

I will quote my post again for you and remember a nonsenjutsu user Guy cracked Madara's TSB by punching him through it so why couldn't Naruto who's whole body is emitting senjutsu chakra. That allows him to touch TSBs with no effect

I didn't ask for your fanfic, Naruto was able to touch is becaus he was in RSM. If you're in rokudo sage mode you're using rokudo senjutsu. You see that glow around Naruto's hand it's from RSM. You wann tell us why he who is superior to all jutsu used by a toad or toad sage mode Naruto couldn't even dent the TSB let alone break it. I'm waiting for the manga scans, and not your delusonal head canon.

I'll quote my post once again so you can tell us what went wrong?


You really are delusional, where the manga scan at? I didn't ask for filler anime or your head canon. I'll post two scans for you to show Naruto in RSM, enhanced by the yang seals powers, kicked the TSB away (Madara confirmed this) and couldn't destroy it. And then Madara used the same TSB to stop Naruto's attack.

Spoiler: RSM Naruto kicks away Madara's TSB

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RSM Naruto kicked back the TSB

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RSM Naruto talking to Madara

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The TSB RSM Naruto kicked back wasn't destroyed Madara pulled it out of the tree and changed it into a rod

You must be registered for see images

Naruto punches the TSB rod can break it.

So your logic is RSM/6PSM Naruto is weaker than a toad who is weaker than TSM Naruro, because they could damage a TSB but RSM Naruto couldn't.

Btw, this confirms Madara's TSBs are stronger than Obito's and strong enough that not even RSM/6PSM Naruto could destroy them. The only one who legitimately destroys the TSBs of this RSM and Yang seal powered Naruto is Madara.

When you answer this with manga scans, and not anime filler, I will consider the other fanfic you posted



Anime's filler it's not written by Kishimoto, only the manga and the databooks are his official work

Let me know when you bring the facts, not more gibberish

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Shit fanfic, Sasuke is weaker than Chojuro and Kurotsuchi who were keeping up with and shitting on Kinshiki. While Sasugay was running away like a fodder trying to survive. Without the Yin seal, ass pull power up Sasugay is pathetic.

this is your answer and my answer

you:

Where the facts at, Guy wrecked a TSB and blew Madara through it, yet RSM Naruto couldn't. What senjutsu was Guy using, unlike Naruro who is the state of RSM.

me:

I ask again
where did he do that

you:

Going by the reasoning you applied Guy > TSM Naruto > Frog > RSM Naruto

me:

hhhh I said again
not doing something doesn't mean that you can't do that
literally as I said again and u ignored again because u can't answer that
there's something called feats
when u have enough feat to say something then it's fact
what feats that makes me sure that naruto will shit on madara and his truths seeking orps
well over matching kaguya using boil release same kaguya that will just one shot madara
cutting kaguya arm means that the truth seeking orps is like ant in the battlefield for naruto

you:

Kind of hurts whe your head canon and fanfic is wrecked, I know.

you:

When you have some canon manga facts to back your case, we'll talk.

me:

hhhh 80% of your point u didn't give me your MANGA shit
like might guy destroying the truth seeking orps
and
about my fact give me one of my points and I will give you the manga to prove that

you:

Until then I will requote my post for you to contemplate and form a credible answer to it.

me:

u will repeat this post because u can't answer the other points
like sakura getting her ass kicked by shin who get his ass kicked by fire ball
literally
fire ball with that is above shin and shin is above sakura
and the fire ball won't do anything against sm naruto
or
like sakura couldn't even open portal for enough time
that makes her chakra level below even kid naruto
and we have naruto give sakura ass chakra that makes her 3 times stronger
yes even with that u want to say that she scales to him even when shadow clone makes her 3 times stronger

you:

More manure, 8th gates guy punches JJ Madara through the TSB cracking it and he wasn't using any senjutsu either. Next are you going to tell us that 8th gate is stronger than the RSM user

me:

u need to prove that before repeating that
where did that happened????


you:

I will quote my post again for you and remember a nonsenjutsu user Guy cracked Madara's TSB by punching him through it so why couldn't Naruto who's whole body is emitting senjutsu chakra. That allows him to touch TSBs with no effect

me:

hhhh repeating unproven points
won't help u where did that happen

you:

I didn't ask for your fanfic, Naruto was able to touch is becaus he was in RSM. If you're in rokudo sage mode you're using rokudo senjutsu. You see that glow around Naruto's hand it's from RSM. You wann tell us why he who is superior to all jutsu used by a toad or toad sage mode Naruto couldn't even dent the TSB let alone break it. I'm waiting for the manga scans, and not your delusonal head canon.

me:

using senjutsu chakra will be with the jutsu
taijutsu isn't senjutsu
we have madara
couldn't break naruto truth seeking orps using the taijutsu
when he used his limpo and he uses the senjutsu chakra
with your logic he can't destroy the truth seeking orps but wrong
literally when he uses the sage art jutsu he destroy the truth seeking orps
because he uses senjutsu chakra
not using his taijutsu

you:

I'll quote my post once again so you can tell us what went wrong?


you:

You really are delusional, where the manga scan at? I didn't ask for filler anime or your head canon. I'll post two scans for you to show Naruto in RSM, enhanced by the yang seals powers, kicked the TSB away (Madara confirmed this) and couldn't destroy it. And then Madara used the same TSB to stop Naruto's attack.

me:

I literally told u the whole arc is written by kishimoto
literally u can't prove that it's filler u just repeat your unwanted opinion

you:

Spoiler: RSM Naruto kicks away Madara's TSB
So your logic is RSM/6PSM Naruto is weaker than a toad who is weaker than TSM Naruro, because they could damage a TSB but RSM Naruto couldn't.

you:

Btw, this confirms Madara's TSBs are stronger than Obito's and strong enough that not even RSM/6PSM Naruto could destroy them. The only one who legitimately destroys the TSBs of this RSM and Yang seal powered Naruto is Madara.

me:

I already answer that

you:

When you answer this with manga scans, and not anime filler, I will consider the other fanfic you posted

me:
prove that it's anime filler

what u want me to give you

give me one point and I will give you the prove from the manga

you:

Anime's filler it's not written by Kishimoto, only the manga and the databooks are his official work

you;

Let me know when you bring the facts, not more gibberish.

me:
u literally just repeating point that I already answered
and you're whole argument is based on moments when sakura was dying because orp
and with that u want to prove that she scales above them ????
and literally I give u alot of points prove that how shit sakura is compared to naruto and sasuke
she is like a pet for team seven
literally
ine of team seven members
team seven the strongest team ever
one of his members get her ass kicked by shin who couldn't do anything against normal small fire ball
literally one of team seven members
couldn't even open portal that shit makes kid naruto not teenage naruto but kid naruto beyond her
we have
sasuke
literally one shot sakura using genjutsu
something that didn't work on base naruto
literally genjutsu one shot sakura
when it didn't effect on base naruto
who should be weaker than kcm2 sm naruto

I already answer that
inside your answer that

 

[Avaitto]

Shit fanfic, Sasuke is weaker than Chojuro and Kurotsuchi who were keeping up with and shitting on Kinshiki. While Sasugay was running away like a fodder trying to survive. Without the Yin seal, ass pull power up Sasugay is pathetic.

Madara is the one who is pathetic to be honest, with 2 Rinnegan and a Rinne Sharingan he couldn't use coreless Chibaku Tensei or steal chakra without touching the target, and BZ one shot him, poor Foddara .

 

[mustafadriweesh]

Madara is the one who is pathetic to be honest, with 2 Rinnegan and a Rinne Sharingan who couldn't use coreless Chibaku Tensei or steal chakra without touching the target, and BZ one shot him, poor Foddara .

he is against sasuke and naruto
they literally have hagoromo chakra with indra and ashura chakra
his goal is to use the perfect six path senjutsu when naruto already got that by six path sage mode
and he enhances this mode
and his another goal is to have the another rinnegan
when sasuke already got the tomoe rinnegan
hagoromo rinnegan but enhanced with six path chakra and with his ems
he isn't fodder but he isn't shit against them