War Arc Neji surpassed MS Sasuke's level

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And the panel actually show guy moving and engaging after lee and tenten thanks neji so but everything neji did was offpanel so either

Doesnt change that Neji didnt take action until team witness Guy go down[

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1.If Neji finished the clones before gai decided to move your point is literally moot

Read above. In what timeframe did it make sense for Neji to finish after Kisame send out sharks to eat Guy underwater? The time frame fits perfectly in my interpretation.

1.Kisame smacks Guy
2. Team worries
3. Kisame tries to end it
4. Neji finds an opening while Guy powers up.

2.It you are saying no Neji did it after gai moved and has some kind insane striking speed superior to 6 gate gai the logic is faulty itself when base gai was fast enough to disarm kisame [

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Your mixing my words up. I'm arguing that Neji strikes out 3 clones during the time frame of Guy speed blitz. The testament of his hand speed in the time frame of a 6th gate blitz.

@Bold striking down from the air does not discredit Neji "boots-on-ground" handspeed.

next part thats faulty is neji was very close to the clones and his team mates [

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] unlike gai who was literally far away from kisame and didn't engage him till lee and tenten completed their statement

Its not faulty and its not relevant to my argument. Doesnt matter how close the Bushins are as it was still in his strike speed range, which I am measuring strictly.

Doesnt matter how weak clones are because it still takes 1 hit/strike to get rid of them.

We know Neji did at least 3 strikes to take them out.

My argument states that Neji's strikes were complete during the timeframe of Guy's 6th Gate blitz.

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. With the last panel changing stance after reaching Kisame.

so its nothing special in neji taking out 3 mushi bunshin when 2 of them couldn't even move becoz they were using water prison.nor is his striking speed anywhere close to 6th gated gai's movement like you are implying

Lmfao what.
So according to you sasuke with better speed;reaction and precog that can parry much faster chars unorthodox fighting style with 7 swords[where sharingan is useless] will get bested by neji in cqc :lol
Sasuke would be using a raiton enhaced blade while neji his hands covered chakra.Only thing neji is gonna do is get paralyzed and die if he tries to engage in cqc

Sasuke has better body flicker not speed. DB states they are in the same league.
Dealing with a much faster char doesnt discredit my point in a strict CQC battle.
Neji can cover chakra in any part of his body not just his hands[

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Doesnt change that Neji didnt take action until team witness Guy go down[

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neji using one body blow then landing on water then getting ready to strike the 3 clones happened after gai had opened sixth gate.

thats pretty simple gai took his time to move after opening sixth gate in which neji did the above

Read above. In what timeframe did it make sense for Neji to finish after Kisame send out sharks to eat Guy underwater? The time frame fits perfectly in my interpretation.

1.Kisame smacks Guy
2. Team worries
3. Kisame tries to end it
4. Neji finds an opening while Guy powers up.

before gai decided to move in 6th gate

Your mixing my words up. I'm arguing that Neji strikes out 3 clones during the time frame of Guy speed blitz. The testament of his hand speed in the time frame of a 6th gate blitz.

nope Neji's strikes were simply not shown thus your claim is based on literally nothing
gai did not strike kisame even after lee and tenten completes their sentences which further proves that you cannot claim his hand speed were in the time frame of a 6th gate blitz

@Bold striking down from the air does not discredit Neji "boots-on-ground" handspeed.

handspeed is handspeed either you are in air or on water where you are also focusing chakra on your feets to stand on it :lol

Its not faulty and its not relevant to my argument. Doesnt matter how close the Bushins are as it was still in his strike speed range, which I am measuring strictly.
Doesnt matter how weak clones are because it still takes 1 hit/strike to get rid of them.
We know Neji did at least 3 strikes to take them out.

No one denied this
The point is it did not happen in the timeframe of gai's 6th gate movement when both tenten and lee were shown to comment after gai has reached kisame and have not even engaged within the conversation

My argument states that Neji's strikes were complete during the timeframe of Guy's 6th Gate blitz.
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. With the last panel changing stance after reaching Kisame.

no you cannot claim that simply becoz neji's strikes weren't shown
you cannot simply use it to claim that it was within timeframe of 6th gated gai's movement

there are panels of tenten and lee thanking neji and even then gai and kisame still haven't engaged during it despite gai closing in to him.Neji could have striked those clones before the blitz or even after it.Nothing is clear

Then there is the fact a Second One body blow will easily destroy the clones since all of them were within the range of it and along with the fact neji now being outside the water prison :lol

and yes gai and kisame never engaged as you can see in final panel.When they actually did kisame was no match for his speed in midair [

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] the same kisame who easily fended neji's strike from midair

Sasuke has better body flicker not speed. DB states they are in the same league.

No one even talked about his shunshin here :lol and sasuke's reflexes ;precog and cqc feats are much above anything neji had shown offensively in part 2 :lol

Dealing with a much faster char doesnt discredit my point in a strict CQC battle.

Yes it does when he was dealing with them in strictly CQC :lol

Neji can cover chakra in any part of his body not just his hands[

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So raiton blade won't be able to pierce through chakra when kidomaru's dagger did [

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how long you think he can keep it when he will be hurting himself with expending chakra like that [

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neji using one body blow then landing on water then getting ready to strike the 3 clones happened after gai had opened sixth gate.

The way I see it, Kishimoto is going back to what was happening in between Guys fall.

1.Shares same page. Check.
2. Illustrates the parallel of both character in end-game stance (from first panel to last panel). Check.

Im incline to believe.

thats pretty simple gai took his time to move after opening sixth gate in which neji did the above

No reason for me to believe Guy "took his time" or "waited" to defeat his enemy and save his team lol. Yet alone before the water comes back in.

before gai decided to move in 6th gate

Time frame still works in my interpretation. Because I showed a scan of team guy witnessing Guy getting smacked and about to get fed by sharks.

So no action was done when Neji witness Kisame sending in sharks underwater.
And no action was done when Sharks were coming closer to Guy.

It was between that timeframe when Neji decided to escape and Guy stating "having no choice but to go 6th gates".

nope Neji's strikes were simply not shown thus your claim is based on literally nothing
gai did not strike kisame even after lee and tenten completes their sentences which further proves that you cannot claim his hand speed were in the time frame of a 6th gate blitz

My claim is based on the before and after events so no its not based on nothing. Lee and Tenten are being narrators for the story, of what was happening inbetween. Which doesnt discredit the feat.

handspeed is handspeed either you are in air or on water where you are also focusing chakra on your feets to stand on it :lol

Never said it isnt. All those factors you list dont share the same speed. Unless your planning on arguing punching underwater shares the same speed on land? Does Ay leg drop share the same strike speed as his blitz punch?

No one denied this
The point is it did not happen in the timeframe of gai's 6th gate movement when both tenten and lee were shown to comment after gai has reached kisame and have not even engaged within the conversation

I would get flame for arguing against narrative context to determine speed frames. I dont do it anymore and so shouldnt you.

no you cannot claim that simply becoz neji's strikes weren't shown you cannot simply use it to claim that it was within timeframe of 6th gated gai's movement

there are panels of tenten and lee thanking neji and even then gai and kisame still haven't engaged during it despite gai closing in to him.Neji could have striked those clones before the blitz or even after it.Nothing is clear

Then there is the fact a Second One body blow will easily destroy the clones since all of them were within the range of it and along with the fact neji now being outside the water prison :lol

No they weren't/wouldnt... body blow requires physical contact.

and yes gai and kisame never engaged as you can see in final panel.When they actually did kisame was no match for his speed in midair [

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] the same kisame who easily fended neji's strike from midair

Not relevant to my point.

No one even talked about his shunshin here :lol and sasuke's reflexes ;precog and cqc feats are much above anything neji had shown offensively in part 2 :lol

Didnt say you did. I was making clarifications.

Yes it does when he was dealing with them in strictly CQC :lol

No you are not worrying about how fast your opponent is coming at you, at least in the context of this hypothetical fight. Since there speed against each other is something they can handle. What they are both worrying about not getting tagged from each others strikes...

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Yup because that was a last second emit, to slow it down. Not the same scenario clashing against the actual anticipated strike.

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Thats not necessary to keep it up. Since he isnt fighting a character that knows his blind spot. Only reason why he wasted so much chakra. Even then, putting Sasuke inside that thing is even worst for Sasuke, as it will make his strikes sluggish in a Close quarter fight, then its gg.

 

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The way I see it, Kishimoto is going back to what was happening in between Guys fall.

1.Shares same page. Check.
2. Illustrates the parallel of both character in end-game stance. Check.

Im incline to believe.

So this is basically based on nothing

No reason for me to believe Guy "took his time" or "waited" to defeat his enemy and save his team lol.

thats what happened.maybe he was charging dunno
:lol A few seconds won't be putting his team in danger when kisame's focus was totally on him

Time frame still works in my interpretation. Because I showed a scan of team guy witnessing Guy getting smacked and about to get fed by sharks.

No they didn't :lol they only reacted to him getting smacked [

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So no action was done when Neji witness Kisame sending in sharks underwater.
And no action was done when Sharks were coming closer to Guy.

what the hell.Kisame literally sends sharks inside water after they scream [

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] not neji nor team 10

It was between that timeframe when Neji decided to escape and Guy stating "having no choice but to go 6th gates".

Lmao you actually proved nothing :lol

My claim is based on the before and after events so no its not based on nothing. Lee and Tenten are being narrators for the story, of what was happening inbetween. Which doesnt discredit the feat.

We can clearly see a whole panel of gai in his stance on which lee comments thus it was not happening inbetween

Never said it isnt. All those factors you list dont share the same speed. Unless your planning on arguing punching underwater shares the same speed on land? Does Ay leg drop share the same strike speed as his blitz punch?

the only thing i showed you if neji cannot kisame's water clone can fend of neji's strike thus neji striking 3 clones within 6th gated gai's movement is not possible
i am pretty sure he used one body blow since the focus was on his face and byakugan which has been the case everytime he uses one body blow

I would get flame for arguing against narrative context to determine speed frames. I dont do it anymore and so shouldnt you.

okay :|

No they weren't/wouldnt... body blow requires physical contact.

nope it doesn't :lol its just expulsion of chakra from all the points of your body when the enemy is close

No you are not worrying about how fast your opponent is coming at you, at least in the context of this hypothetical fight. Since there speed against each other is something they can handle. What they are both worrying about not getting tagged from each others strikes...

Sasuke was clearly fending of killer bee's strike who had superior speed;superior kenjutsu;7 sword against 1;an unorthodox fighting style making sharingan useless along with the fact sasuke hasn't fully recovered from battle against itachi

Yup because that was a last second emit, to slow it down. Not the same scenario clashing against the actual anticipated strike.

chakra is still chakra.
while fighting in cqc he will have to emit it in last second so the point is moot anyway
raiton has shown to pierce through solid steel easily.also Raiton has clear advantage over non elemental chakra :lol

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Thats not necessary to keep it up. Since he isnt fighting a character that knows his blind spot. Only reason why he wasted so much chakra. Even then, putting Sasuke inside that thing is even worth for Sasuke, as it will make his strikes sluggish in a Close quarter fight, then its gg.

no sasuke will be fighting him cqc thus he won't be releasing chakra until last second or don't think he will be able to use jyuuken since he needs to make contact with opponent
the reason neji isn't fighting with chakra covering his body either against hinata;naruto;when against cqc against kidomaru or white zetsu clones

 

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how long you think he can keep it when he will be hurting himself with expending chakra like that [

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Bro why do u love to literally ignore context at times? Only reason why the expulsion was hurting is due to Neji's multipleinjuries which when coupled with the wide expulsion of Chakra resulted in worse pain , for obvious reasons.

i am pretty sure he used one body blow since the focus was on his face and byakugan which has been the case everytime he uses one body blow

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Because Its pretty obvious he used Taijutsu to deal with them as not only were his teammates in the way , but even if u tried to argue that he shot out body blow from his shoulders or front side , the notion itself doesn't make sense as Neji would need to first focus chakra again then release it again , which would clearly take more time than simply attacking the clones with the obvious opening he created via Body-blow in the first place.

Its clear as day Neji phsycally attacked after Body-blow akin to this.

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Bro why do u love to literally ignore context at times? Only reason why the expulsion was hurting is due to Neji's multipleinjuries which when coupled with the wide expulsion of Chakra resulted in worse pain , for obvious reasons.

Then read what I said
I never said it will start hurting him from the start but yeah if he will keep fighting that for longer period then yes

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Because Its pretty obvious he used Taijutsu to deal with them as not only were his teammates in the way , but even if u tried to argue that he shot out body blow from his shoulders or front side , the notion itself doesn't make sense as Neji would need to first focus chakra again then release it again , which would clearly take more time than simply attacking the clones with the obvious opening he created via Body-blow in the first place.

One body blow is not affecting them as they are inside the water prison :lol

 

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Then read what I said
I never said it will start hurting him from the start but yeah if he will keep fighting that for longer period then yes

Lmao without any injuries there would be no pain only Chakra/stamina loss.

One body blow is not affecting them as they are inside the water prison :lol

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That isn't the only thing i addressed anyway but since ur pretty sure about ur notion i guess it cant be argued huh?:lol

U think Neji built up Chakra in the whole body Again , then released it again instead of simply attacking the clones with the most perfect of openings LOL..I hope it doesn't take forever for u to see the obvious flaws this time.

 

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Lmao without any injuries there would be no pain only Chakra/stamina loss.

Bro why do u love to literally ignore context at times?

i never said he would be in pain only becoz of chakra or stamina loss.

i was talking about fight long run and Yes he will have injuries when trying to fend off a raiton enhanced blade with chakra cacoon.
His chakra is not susanoo[MS Chakra was compared to more potent than curse seal 2 when sasuke hasn't even awakaned susanoo] or A's Raiton armour[Same element but far superior] that it will deflect the kusanagi that sasuke claimed was impossible to block [

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That isn't the only thing i addressed anyway but since ur pretty sure about ur notion i guess it cant be argued huh?:lol

No one denied this
The only point i said is it is not affecting either lee or tenten.It didn't even take out the zetsu on which it was used when it was binding him which later sakura restrained,It is not affecting tenten or lee who are inside water prison

U think Neji built up Chakra in the whole body Again , then released it again instead of simply attacking the clones with the most perfect of openings LOL..I hope it doesn't take forever for u to see the obvious flaws this time.

he notion itself doesn't make sense as Neji would need to first focus chakra again then release it again , which would clearly take more time than simply attacking the clones with the obvious opening he created via Body-blow in the first place.

never claimed i was right.Just gave an alternative on which i am pretty sure

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Its clear as day Neji phsycally attacked after Body-blow akin to this.

Now were you comparing Kidomaru who literally ran away from cqc battle to kisame's clone that has blocked both lee's and neji in previous chap :lol Nothing is clear

 

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what
kisame's strike send gai inside the lake [

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at that moment neji destroys water prison and we see him ready to strike the 3 bunshins[2 of the still occupied with lee and tenten][

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rest of what neji did happened offscreen
Then gai goes on to strike kisame [

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Then there is the fact gai and kisame didn't even engage till lee and tenten thanked neji while lee commented on his stance

yes neji's feats are good but its nothing close to 3T sasuke who can strike CS2 user 5 times in blink of eye [

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] or fend of Killer Bee's seven sword dance with minor injury despite not being healed from battle against itachi or dodge V1 Bee's lariat which only Raikage has avoided before him

I love the fact how people ignore this simple fact that Bee, the guy who saw Sasuke move, compared his speed and reaction rate to Raiton cloaked Ae. But, Neji's speed is comparable.

Not to mention Sasuke was still much faster than Bee as he rendered Bee's stabs useless. But, people just ignore everything. :kd:

 

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lol SS and his trolling. If neji beats MS sasuke (which he don't) then he also beats sage mode naruto. :lol

 

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