War arc Kakashi vs War arc Kabuto

[Demonic.]

Why'd you restrict sage mode ej black.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

charging for kamui takes nearly no time now ,war arc kakashi used kamui more than once the moment he needed it ,for example : gedo's arm,minato's sm rasengan,2 Susano arrows were shot when his ms wasn't activated yet...etc
Kabuto won't have such time to do what you say ,plus kamui's barrier can be controlled to warp many objects ,even in sm ,as long as kakashi can follow kabuto ,he can warp him by moving kamui hole on him till the warping ends and that takes a part of second seeing how kakashi warped gedo's whole arm(something bigger than x100 human's size)in less than a second

All of this was address and 2.) You have no idea how Kamui works if you think he it make its worm hole size at will. It goes by LoS to determine its size. Much like Amaterasu.

1. Fanfiction. The only determinant of warping time is size.
2. More fanfiction.

If your going to argue at least use the term fanfiction right in a sentence. As everything I address were through scans. Now lets see whos interpretation is more accurate.

Bold is one reason why your comparison is bunk.

Except it isn't as I shows all of the evidence of Kamui developments from each arc and they all have something in common.

Lol? It took Kakashi from here to here to warp the explosion away. Lets not cut off panels to try and prove your point.

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Where did I cut panels off and what does these 3 scans prove?

So there is no evidence that this took any longer than it did to warp Deidara. Not to mention aim was the main issue when he tried to warp Deidara. He went for his head, but his aim screwed up and he had to settle for his arm instead. Not to mention you get better with Dojutsu as you use them. If it did get faster, then all it means is that he got better with Kamui.

Except those scans were no where near the same distance and even then it took 3 pages for it to completely consume the size of that distance. And once again Kakashi already had chakra bulit at that point, as you already mention when try to use it on Deidara already.

That statement was made because he had to build up enough chakra to warp large objects away, just like he did with the Mazo, something he stated in one the scans you posted. So this statement has no bearing on your argument. Nor does it prove shit. I also like how we are cutting panels out to prove our point.

However your want to interpret it doesn't change the fact the its warp speed isn't faster then it is in close range. Unless you can prove long range has the same speed as closer range shot.

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<-- Shows that he ran towards Naruto to get closer to Kamui So once again it doesn't change my premise at all, zero.

Not close range, obviously. And it was so fast that Obito didn't even realize it happened, and instead attributed it to his stake destroying the Shadow Clone. Lets stop this argument, its clear that you fished hard trying to find this BS cause there is nothing in the manga that directly implies that distance affects warping speed. The only reason it'd affect warping at all is because of Kakashi's eye sight, which wasn't bad enough in the war arc (Scan shown above) for him to have to get close enough to warp.

Your telling me to stop when you haven't shown anything to state that they carry the same warp speed. Your telling me I am leaving scans out which is like 1 scenario. Then I end up posting a scenario that you left out to show Kakashi moving closer.

Once again. Long range.

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And I'm picking specific scans to prove My point? Lol

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Again Long range.

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Lmao oh look once again you doing what your telling what I am doing with scans.

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And that's not even the fastest he can go, as shown when he warped Naruto before Obito even noticed.

Oh you mean the one where he ran towards Naruto to get a better LoS.

Kabuto can't sense chakra without Sage Mode.



1. Zero proof that Kabuto can sense chakra.

2. Zero proof that Manda II sensed Naruto's chakra there.



Scan still doesn't specify on which sensory got better, but whatever. Let say that Kabuto can sense chakra.

Not only did you misinterpret the scans and my statements you are arguing just to argue, considering you are agreeing.

Sasuke managed to escape undetected because he had a crack in the ground to sink into. Kabuto has no such thing here, so he has to Oral Rebirth like he always does, but he doesn't sprout from and disconnect from his original body instantaneously, nor is it anywhere near

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speed. So him and the body he's coming from get dragged in. Simple as that.

Not only are you misinterpreting scans you are ignoring any factors Kabuto has in his arsenals that is different compare to Sasuke's. For 1)Sasuke created the sink himself[

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]. 2) Kabuto is already efficient in Doton he creating a sinkhole like Sasuke is not needed when he can perform hiding like mole tech. Good thing he can sense chakra built and act accordingly.

If he can't evade the first warp in time, this shit is never happening. And he can't evade the first warp. Prove that and I'll concede. No Sage Mode means no Sage Sensing and no enhanced reflexes.

Whats going on, your wanking the Kamui that even with SM it isn't doing shit Lol and now all of the sudden your back tracking?

If were to correctly read my premise you would of notice the first two words I said. "Even precautions",\. Precautions: a measure taken in advance to prevent something dangerous, unpleasant, or inconvenient from happening. The premise basically stated that he is already prepare in the beginning much like against the Uchiha brothers

Except its not sheer luck. Kamui is used, and Kabuto gets warped. That simple.

Kamui GG.

Except it is as I already proven he has 1/10 chances or less to succeed. I would even state using Orochimaru Kage Bushin since I see you defending SM Naruto on another thread as its counter Lol. Your arguments arent fooling anybody. Theres so many options here like summoning and Kage bushins that is countering this jutsu.

Let alone Kakashi counter Kabuto arsenals.

I really don't see the problem with kamui wank, it's kishi who made it so op.

If Kakashi can make the Juubi vanish, then sorry Kabuto, but he has no defence against it.

@Bold slap yourself and stop trying to take things out of context just because mangapanda translated that way.

Kamui GG. Restrict Kakashi's kamui and Kakashi still wins

Its funny because I know you would retreat your arguments if you step up to the plate.

L0l everytime Ejblack debates its a sad struggle.

Sit doggy.

Why'd you restrict sage mode ej black.

Because its absolutely not necessary to win this match up. Read the arguments if want to know badly .

 

[Selan]

No SM for Kabuto? Kakashi outmanouvres and kills with Raikiri or Raiden.

Kabuto has SM? Kakashi warps him, Kamui GG.

 

[Draegod]

lmao At the thought Of Kakashi using Kamui off bat! PPL still do not know the mechanics and limits behind Kamui after all these Chapters???

OT: Manda 2 Rapes no Diff!

 

[super yang]

Kabuto wins.

he can still use all those techs in base except hakugeki/white rage & muki tensei.

& manda II solos either way; liquification, snake arms, mole hiding all counter kamui on sensory reaction... as kabuto is clearly ''one with the snakes'' even in base

 

[KidGamer65]

Once again, EjBlack makes shit up to try and prove his point. Smh.

If your going to argue at least use the term fanfiction right in a sentence. As everything I address were through scans. Now lets see whos interpretation is more accurate.

Lol. You posted scans, but obviously added your own interpretation, hence the term fanfic.

Except it isn't as I shows all of the evidence of Kamui developments from each arc and they all have something in common.

The only thing Kamui has shown is that Kakashi gets better with it. This distance nonsense doesn't exist.

Where did I cut panels off and what does these 3 scans prove?

That is how long it took Kakashi to warp it away, not what you posted.

Except those scans were no where near the same distance and even then it took 3 pages for it to completely consume the size of that distance. And once again Kakashi already had chakra bulit at that point, as you already mention when try to use it on Deidara already.

It doesn't need to be the same distance. The fact that you have no proof that one instance took longer than the other only shows that distance is completely irrelevant. No, he builds chakra each and every time he uses Kamui. He built it up once for Deidara's arm, again for his head, and again for that explosion.

However your want to interpret it doesn't change the fact the its warp speed isn't faster then it is in close range. Unless you can prove long range has the same speed as closer range shot.

Except no panels show this. Especially not the ones you posted above.

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<-- Shows that he ran towards Naruto to get closer to Kamui So once again it doesn't change my premise at all, zero.

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Running towards Naruto=/=Being in close range. Getting closer=/=Getting in close range.

When you can show me any panel where Kakashi was anywhere near Naruto when that happened, then we can talk. Until then, that was a long range snipe, as he wasn't in close range. The distance between Naruto and Obito

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is long range. Where is Kakashi? Oh wait, he's farther away from Obito than Naruto is, as he's not in this scan.

I'd love you to show me where that close range snipe you speak of happened.

Your telling me to stop when you haven't shown anything to state that they carry the same warp speed. Your telling me I am leaving scans out which is like 1 scenario. Then I end up posting a scenario that you left out to show Kakashi moving closer.

I left out that page because it doesn't prove your point. Kakashi getting closer than he was before doesn't automatically means he got within close range of Obito.

And I'm picking specific scans to prove My point? Lol

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Read above. Kakashi getting closer doesn't mean he got in close range.

Lmao oh look once again you doing what your telling what I am doing with scans.

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I'll admit that this was close range, but only because you can see Kakashi not too far away from them in the scan I posted. Once again you need to learn that getting closer doesn't equal getting in close range.

Oh you mean the one where he ran towards Naruto to get a better LoS.

Doesn't mean that got in close range of him. You seriously need to learn what "getting in close range" actually is so this argument can go smoother.

Not only are you misinterpreting scans you are ignoring any factors Kabuto has in his arsenals that is different compare to Sasuke's. For 1)Sasuke created the sink himself[

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]. 2) Kabuto is already efficient in Doton he creating a sinkhole like Sasuke is not needed when he can perform hiding like mole tech. Good thing he can sense chakra built and act accordingly.

As shown with Obito and Naruto, Kamui acts faster than Kabuto burrowing into the ground with hiding like a mole, and it acts faster than him using Oral Rebirth, so he gets warped.

Whats going on, your wanking the Kamui that even with SM it isn't doing shit Lol and now all of the sudden your back tracking?

When did I say that?

If were to correctly read my premise you would of notice the first two words I said. "Even precautions",\. Precautions: a measure taken in advance to prevent something dangerous, unpleasant, or inconvenient from happening. The premise basically stated that he is already prepare in the beginning much like against the Uchiha brothers

With no intel on Kamui? Good luck. That BS you posted about him knowing that since Sasuke and Itachi can use Amaterasu, he should except something similar from Kakashi is well, BS of course. No intel on Kamui means he isn't prepping shit from the start.

Not to mention Kamui acts faster anyway.

Except it is as I already proven he has 1/10 chances or less to succeed. I would even state using Orochimaru Kage Bushin since I see you defending SM Naruto on another thread as its counter Lol. Your arguments arent fooling anybody. Theres so many options here like summoning and Kage bushins that is countering this jutsu.

Smoke Bomb to block LoS rendering Kamui useless right there, then Shadow Clones. If you are going to cry about me arguing for Naruto and against Kabuto, get my arguments right. Shadow Clones alone obviously won't do shit since his vision will still be focused on the original, thus he'll still get warped away.

You keep talking about "options" but all the shit options you mentioned only work if you completely ignore the fact that Kamui acts faster than anything Kabuto can do.

 

[TRE MERCER]

Sit doggy.

Sensing Kamui is useless when it can be used in the time-span of 2 Susanoo arrows coming at you from roughly about 15ft away. Kabuto used the cave to help him dodge it.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I'll admit that this was close range, but only because you can see Kakashi not too far away from them in the scan I posted. Once again you need to learn that getting closer doesn't equal getting in close range.


Doesn't mean that got in close range of him. You seriously need to learn what "getting in close range" actually is so this argument can go smoother.

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I deleted most of your post as it was a misunderstanding between our arguments. So yes where I was getting at is getting in closer to his LoS range works best at its warping speed. As he was having trouble warping the Mezo head further away, and yet warp its arm no diff in a closer range.

As shown with Obito and Naruto, Kamui acts faster than Kabuto burrowing into the ground with hiding like a mole, and it acts faster than him using Oral Rebirth, so he gets warped.

My premise is sensing chakra built and will act accordingly before spawning on him.

When did I say that?

Your very first post

Lol? No Sage Mode equals Kamui GG. No other argument is necessary, it might even come down to just Kamui GG even with Sage Mode.

With no intel on Kamui? Good luck. That BS you posted about him knowing that since Sasuke and Itachi can use Amaterasu, he should except something similar from Kakashi is well, BS of course. No intel on Kamui means he isn't prepping shit from the start.

Not to mention Kamui acts faster anyway.

Why would he need intel on its mechanic? Kakashi never starts off with Kamui, nor will he act faster to remove his headband and built chakra. Building up chakra from the Sharingan will give him the same feeling as a MS user so they do the same thing.

Kabuto fighting style revolves around using snakes from the beginning like Orochimaru. He will everything in his arsenal to pre counter the Sharingan.

Smoke Bomb to block LoS rendering Kamui useless right there, then Shadow Clones. If you are going to cry about me arguing for Naruto and against Kabuto, get my arguments right. Shadow Clones alone obviously won't do shit since his vision will still be focused on the original, thus he'll still get warped away.

Alright well snake summoning+ shadow clone + using snake to match his chakra signature is going lose Kakashi victory chance of Kamui snipe.

You keep talking about "options" but all the shit options you mentioned only work if you completely ignore the fact that Kamui acts faster than anything Kabuto can do.

I didn't ignore anything as my premise is base on on preparing himself to countering the Sharingan in general. Manda 2 gets him for breakfest, Sound 5 abilites takes him out along with Orochimaru. Too many options of Kabuto taking him out while your clinging to only one option of Kakashi's victory, which his probability is very low in success.

Sensing Kamui is useless when it can be used in the time-span of 2 Susanoo arrows coming at you from roughly about 15ft away. Kabuto used the cave to help him dodge it.

Except it you read my premise, warping at point blank or close range LoS is easier to warp for Kakashi inside of Mid range -Long.