War arc Kakashi vs War arc Kabuto

[wael reda]

@Bold yes he can.



I see you guys trying to trend the Kamui GG wank.

First and foremost two things I want to address concerning Kamui as
1. The technique needs the chakra built to get things like mid - long range[

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2. The technique speed warp determines by distance it was caught in its line of sight, which I will QUOTE myself:




I also love how all of the sudden that chakra built sense isn't a counter to Kamui, can't wait to use these arguments against yourself to the likes of Hashirama and see how you will react Lol.

Anyway you may say that Kabuto lacks sensory in base but that is completely wrong. He still has his snake as a partner who is, actually:

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The context specifically showed the snake being caught in awareness then communicates with Kabuto that he found a specific person. That kind description isn't remotely close to snake ability to perceive their surroundings through body heat and with its tongue, which wasn't use here in that scan.

Detecting where Naruto is just proves that this snake on Kabuto can use sensory. Or we can take viz as a second option that he has it[

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Kabuto knows the Sharingan from the back of his head, considering he didn't bother facing Kakashi in their second encounter[

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]. With further manga intel, he knows MS has the ability to create the ultimate offense, to which he admitted they can produce (Muki Tensei vs Amaterasu) Viz stated something like "So ultimate visual jutsu offensive attack is also.."

Once sensory awareness kicks in Kabuto takes precaution to Oral Rebirth out. Kakashi will never detect it as Itachi himself stated its hard to do[

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], which he ends up getting killed twice from it.

Even precautions will be made by sending out snakes around with the same chakra signature as him[

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], which gives Kakashi victory of Kamui snipe 1/10 chance and less.

So please are you going to cling your argument that only results of him winning by sheer luck?



Manga disagrees as I already proved he can sense chakra + already canonically use snakes for counter measurements + he already encounter Kakashi with Sharingan and knew how to look at him properly[

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Can't even go serious right now with these weak arguments. I'm depending on you guys Lol



Kabuto can replicate the same thing here bar Kamui and he is a sensor. Read my argument above.



Lol, not needed with these weak Kamui arguments.

charging for kamui takes nearly no time now ,war arc kakashi used kamui more than once the moment he needed it ,for example : gedo's arm,minato's sm rasengan,2 Susano arrows were shot when his ms wasn't activated yet...etc
Kabuto won't have such time to do what you say ,plus kamui's barrier can be controlled to warp many objects ,even in sm ,as long as kakashi can follow kabuto ,he can warp him by moving kamui hole on him till the warping ends and that takes a part of second seeing how kakashi warped gedo's whole arm(something bigger than x100 human's size)in less than a second

 

[wael reda]

I think you dont want to hear this but it kakashi really ends it with kamui.DOUBLE MS KAMUI BLITZED THE LIKES OF JUUBI JIN MADARA AND KAGUYA.Dsm kabuto is a fodder compared to them..

He means 1 ms war arc kakashi not DMS kakashi

 

[KidGamer65]

@Bold yes he can.












I see you guys trying to trend the Kamui GG wank.

First and foremost two things I want to address concerning Kamui as
1. The technique needs the chakra built to get things like mid - long range[

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2. The technique speed warp determines by distance it was caught in its line of sight, which I will QUOTE myself.

1. Fanfiction. The only determinant of warping time is size.
2. More fanfiction.

Misconception 2: Kamui is instant in every range.

In all the cases of Kamui warping instantly, they were all very close to Kakashi. Note: I will use even unskilled Kamui Kakashi to prove my point too.

Bold is one reason why your comparison is bunk.

Lets look at all the long range use scenario.[1>2>3].<--2 more pages, you get the point. Now lets look at the close range in the same arc[1>2>3. Techically 2 pages compare to long range 5 pages. Lets look at more experience Kakashi via Pain arc. [1]. Thats it 1 page for close range. Now lets look at long range[1>2]<== Page 1 give it alot more panel time. Lets look at War arc: Long range [1>2>3]. Obito had enough time to cancel it. In fact the whole fight Kakashi shown he had to move closer to warp things faster, shown through out the whole fight. Juubi arc Kakashi's comment[X]. Close range Juubi arc[1>2. All of these evidence shows that close range shot of Kamui's line of sight is faster then long range shots, therefore it isn't instant in ever range. Even if Kakashi were to make a larger warp range, that would mean it will take longer to consume the opponent, shown against Deidara. [1>2>3].

Lol? It took Kakashi from here to here to warp the explosion away. Lets not cut off panels to try and prove your point.

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So there is no evidence that this took any longer than it did to warp Deidara. Not to mention aim was the main issue when he tried to warp Deidara. He went for his head, but his aim screwed up and he had to settle for his arm instead. Not to mention you get better with Dojutsu as you use them. If it did get faster, then all it means is that he got better with Kamui.

That statement was made because he had to build up enough chakra to warp large objects away, just like he did with the Mazo, something he stated in one the scans you posted. So this statement has no bearing on your argument. Nor does it prove shit. I also like how we are cutting panels out to prove our point.

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Not close range, obviously. And it was so fast that Obito didn't even realize it happened, and instead attributed it to his stake destroying the Shadow Clone. Lets stop this argument, its clear that you fished hard trying to find this BS cause there is nothing in the manga that directly implies that distance affects warping speed. The only reason it'd affect warping at all is because of Kakashi's eye sight, which wasn't bad enough in the war arc (Scan shown above) for him to have to get close enough to warp.

Once again. Long range.

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Again Long range.

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And that's not even the fastest he can go, as shown when he warped Naruto before Obito even noticed.

I also love how all of the sudden that chakra built sense isn't a counter to Kamui, can't wait to use these arguments against yourself to the likes of Hashirama and see how you will react Lol.

Kabuto can't sense chakra without Sage Mode.

Anyway you may say that Kabuto lacks sensory in base but that is completely wrong. He still has his snake as a partner who is, actually:

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The context specifically showed the snake being caught in awareness then communicates with Kabuto that he found a specific person. That kind description isn't remotely close to snake ability to perceive their surroundings through body heat and with its tongue, which wasn't use here in that scan.

1. Zero proof that Kabuto can sense chakra.

2. Zero proof that Manda II sensed Naruto's chakra there.

Detecting where Naruto is just proves that this snake on Kabuto can use sensory. Or we can take viz as a second option that he has it[

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Scan still doesn't specify on which sensory got better, but whatever. Let say that Kabuto can sense chakra.

Kabuto knows the Sharingan from the back of his head, considering he didn't bother facing Kakashi in their second encounter[

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]. With further manga intel, he knows MS has the ability to create the ultimate offense, to which he admitted they can produce (Muki Tensei vs Amaterasu) Viz stated something like "So ultimate visual jutsu offensive attack is also.."

Ok.

Once sensory awareness kicks in Kabuto takes precaution to Oral Rebirth out. Kakashi will never detect it as Itachi himself stated its hard to do[

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], which he ends up getting killed twice from it.

Sasuke managed to escape undetected because he had a crack in the ground to sink into. Kabuto has no such thing here, so he has to Oral Rebirth like he always does, but he doesn't sprout from and disconnect from his original body instantaneously, nor is it anywhere near

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speed. So him and the body he's coming from get dragged in. Simple as that.

Even precautions will be made by sending out snakes around with the same chakra signature as him[

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], which gives Kakashi victory of Kamui snipe 1/10 chance and less.

If he can't evade the first warp in time, this shit is never happening. And he can't evade the first warp. Prove that and I'll concede. No Sage Mode means no Sage Sensing and no enhanced reflexes.

So please are you going to cling your argument that only results of him winning by sheer luck?

Except its not sheer luck. Kamui is used, and Kabuto gets warped. That simple.

Kamui GG.

The Kamui wank is strong in this one...

OT: Kakashi wins high difficulty. Bunshin feints and hiding like a mole technique allow Kakashi to stall Kabuto long enough to catch him off guard with Kamui. Kabuto isn't blocking line of sight in time because he isn't a sensor in base and Kakashi can opt to use it when Kabuto is caught off guard.

-Says Kamui wank is strong.

-Ends up using Kamui as the main argument.


How is any of the other stuff you posted necessary, if Kabuto can't block LoS in time? Lmao. Him being on or off guard wouldn't matter if he has no way to stop Kamui once its used.

So much crying about Kamui, but so little argumentation.

 

[Gold Lightning]

I really don't see the problem with kamui wank, it's kishi who made it so op.

If Kakashi can make the Juubi vanish, then sorry Kabuto, but he has no defence against it.

 

[Zee U]

No SM? Kamui gg. SM Kabuto wins this without much problems.

 

[Benjamin King]

Even if you make it SM Kabuto, he loses right at the start. Only those with Rikudou's Chakra and Juubi's Jinchuuriki are going to beat Kamui; especially the long-range version of it.​

 

[Nattana]

Manda 2 solos.

 

[wael reda]

Manda 2 solos.

Lightning chain cuts this snake's head

 

[Nattana]

Lightning chain cuts this snake's head

Lightning chain is maybe as big as Manda 2's one tooth.

 

[wael reda]

Lightning chain is maybe as big as Manda 2's one tooth.

No ,go see the lightening chain used on v2 chakra arms and go see when kabuto was close to manda 2 ,pretty sure that you would realize that lightening chain is enough to cut its head
Also kakashi can control him with genjutsu

 

[Nattana]

No ,go see the lightening chain used on v2 chakra arms and go see when kabuto was close to manda 2 ,pretty sure that you would realize that lightening chain is enough to cut its head
Also kakashi can control him with genjutsu

Manda 2 would just destroy Kakashi with a swing of its tail and Genjutsu isn't doing shit here since Kabuto can channel chakra into Manda 2 from distance or even merge with it using Oro's power.

 

[Icelerate]

-Says Kamui wank is strong.

-Ends up using Kamui as the main argument.


How is any of the other stuff you posted necessary, if Kabuto can't block LoS in time? Lmao. Him being on or off guard wouldn't matter if he has no way to stop Kamui once its used.

So much crying about Kamui, but so little argumentation.

I was quoting the people saying Kamui one shots DSM Kabuto with little argumentation. Base kabuto is a different story and my post talks about base Kabuto getting taken out via kamui not DSM Kabuto. Maybe you are right about DSM Kabuto losing to kamui but his jutsu execution speed is faster than base Kabuto and he as ways of taking Kakashi down just as effective and hard to counter as Kamui.

Kakashi starts with his headband on so he has to take it off, activate the MS, build chakra, stare at his opponent and then finish them off. You're also assuming Kakashi will opt to use Kamui from the start whereas I'm not. EJBlack failed to give enough information on this fight such as how much knowledge they have on each other.

Anyway I guess you're right, all kakashi has to use is kamui and doesn't have to use any other jutsu to create an opening. If Kabuto summons snakes, splits his chakra, etc. Kakashi will try to use bunshins to buy himself some time, analyse Kabuto and then finish him off with absolute certainty.

 

[wael reda]

Manda 2 would just destroy Kakashi with a swing of its tail and Genjutsu isn't doing shit here since Kabuto can channel chakra into Manda 2 from distance or even merge with it using Oro's power.

I still wait to see a counter for lightning chain which will cut manda 's head off
When did kabuto channel manda his chakra from distance !!?when did oro merge with manda ?
Controlling animals by ginjutsu is different from casting genjutsu on humans,it can't be broken by chakra disturbing ,or anyone could free kiuybi out of genjutsu when obito controlled it,

 

[Nattana]

I still wait to see a counter for lightning chain which will cut manda 's head off
When did kabuto channel manda his chakra from distance !!?when did oro merge with manda ?
Controlling animals by ginjutsu is different from casting genjutsu on humans,it can't be broken by chakra disturbing ,or anyone could free kiuybi out of genjutsu when obito controlled it,

Chakra disruption breaks Genjutsu - manga fact. Kabuto channels chakra into Manda 2 is canon. Controlling animals with Genjutsu isn't different - it's still Genjutsu.

Orochimaru can merge with other beings - re-read his fight with Sasuke|Naruto|Sakura in P1.

Kakashi won't even come close enough to Manda 2 or it will rip him to shreds. It's on a whole another level.

 

[Bogard]

Kamui GG. Restrict Kakashi's kamui and Kakashi still wins

 

[wael reda]

Chakra disruption breaks Genjutsu - manga fact. Kabuto channels chakra into Manda 2 is canon. Controlling animals with Genjutsu isn't different - it's still Genjutsu.

Orochimaru can merge with other beings - re-read his fight with Sasuke|Naruto|Sakura in P1.

Kakashi won't even come close enough to Manda 2 or it will rip him to shreds. It's on a whole another level.

No ,it is different ,if what you say was true ,anyone could free the kiuybi out of genjutsu by touching it
When did kabuto channel chakra into manda 2 ?
Oro can merge with rock,tree not snakeLol
Lightening chain still beats manda2 or raiki kunai makes a hole in its brain
Kamui gg kabuto

 

[Migster257]

War arc Kakashi = DMS Kakashi.
Kakashi negs.

 

[KidGamer65]

I was quoting the people saying Kamui one shots DSM Kabuto with little argumentation. Base kabuto is a different story and my post talks about base Kabuto getting taken out via kamui not DSM Kabuto. Maybe you are right about DSM Kabuto losing to kamui but his jutsu execution speed is faster than base Kabuto and he as ways of taking Kakashi down just as effective and hard to counter as Kamui.

This is Base Kabuto vs Kakashi, so everyone who posted was referring to Base Kabuto.

Kakashi starts with his headband on so he has to take it off, activate the MS, build chakra, stare at his opponent and then finish them off. You're also assuming Kakashi will opt to use Kamui from the start whereas I'm not. EJBlack failed to give enough information on this fight such as how much knowledge they have on each other.

The bold is the only time consuming process here. Kabuto isn't big enough to warrant a large build up of chakra.

 

[TRE MERCER]

L0l everytime Ejblack debates its a sad struggle.

 

[Icelerate]

This is Base Kabuto vs Kakashi, so everyone who posted was referring to Base Kabuto.



The bold is the only time consuming process here. Kabuto isn't big enough to warrant a large build up of chakra.

No the people I quoted said even DSM Kabuto gets shitted on with Kamui. I guess it's a mid difficulty win for Kakashi because one Kamui doesn't tire him out but he still has to use his trump card early on to emerge victorious.