War Arc Kakashi vs Ay

[BenjerminGaye]

Can you show me the first two. The third Obito's was silent from my acknowledgement, what made his location obvious was him yelling.

Third one made noise( obito in sasuke vs deidara ):

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As did the first 2:

kakashi vs itachi

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[DrProof]

Third one made noise( obito in sasuke vs deidara ):

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As did the first 2:

kakashi vs itachi

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The latter two don't really show signs of noise, rather the 2nd one Itachi reacted to the assault, and Sasuke's reaction was because he'd been grabbed, signifying that he'd not heard Kakashi surface.

The first one you're right though.

 

[Booker]

where's he gonna hide when the terrain is flat land?

Smoke -> Clone -> Hiding Like Mole -> Kamui.

I agree Kakashi probably couldn't just surface and Kamui snipe V1 or 2 Ay. But with pretty much any distraction, especially a clone that is using Dog Summons/Chains, Kakashi should easily be able to Kamui snipe off exiting HLM. The Clones and distractions don't even need to be a threat, they just need to be something that takes Ay's attention off his surroundings for a split second.

 

[DrProof]

Smoke -> Clone -> Hiding Like Mole -> Kamui.

I agree Kakashi probably couldn't just surface and Kamui snipe V1 or 2 Ay. But with pretty much any distraction, especially a clone that is using Dog Summons/Chains, Kakashi should easily be able to Kamui snipe off exiting HLM. The Clones and distractions don't even need to be a threat, they just need to be something that takes Ay's attention off his surroundings for a split second.

Actually, I believe that Hiding like a Mole isn't needed here. The Sharingan can see through objects (Sasuke vs Deidara & Kabuto fight), and the smoke bomb doesn't contain chakra from my acknowledgement. Kakashi merely needs to drop the smoke bomb, then Kamui. If Ei enters the smoke bomb Kakash's location still will not be revealed until the smokescreen clears, that gives Kakashi the advantage, and Ei a heavy disadvantage, on top of Ei's intelligence being rather low he'd undoubtedly stay in the smokescreen waiting for it to clear/his arrogance would make him overestimate his abilities, and attempt again stay in the smokescreen, and dodge any incoming attacks.

Kamui in that situation oneshots as well.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

The latter two don't really show signs of noise, rather the 2nd one Itachi reacted to the assault, and Sasuke's reaction was because he'd been grabbed, signifying that he'd not heard Kakashi surface.

The first one you're right though.

there's sound effects on all 3.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Smoke -> Clone -> Hiding Like Mole -> Kamui.

I agree Kakashi probably couldn't just surface and Kamui snipe V1 or 2 Ay. But with pretty much any distraction, especially a clone that is using Dog Summons/Chains, Kakashi should easily be able to Kamui snipe off exiting HLM. The Clones and distractions don't even need to be a threat, they just need to be something that takes Ay's attention off his surroundings for a split second.

that's more viable. maybe if he pulls what he did to itachi on v2 ay he can win. Assuming the distance is enough for to set this up. he can even throw down some spikes to potentially slow ay down

 

[KidGamer65]

-Battle starts.
-Kakashi dies.

If he wants to stand a chance at surviving Kamui is his only bet. His arsenal without it can't pressure Ay in the slightest. Raikiri won't even do that much damage with a direct hit. However Ay can easily dodge Kamui due to V2. He can try hiding, but:

1. He won't get the chance to hide with Ay all over him unless the starting distance is large.
2. Even if he does he has to reveal himself to actually use Kamui, then it's GG after Ay dodges.

 

[Booker]

-Battle starts.
-Kakashi dies.

If he wants to stand a chance at surviving Kamui is his only bet. His arsenal without it can't pressure Ay in the slightest. Raikiri won't even do that much damage with a direct hit. However Ay can easily dodge Kamui due to V2. He can try hiding, but:

1. He won't get the chance to hide with Ay all over him unless the starting distance is large.
2. Even if he does he has to reveal himself to actually use Kamui, then it's GG after Ay dodges.

Ay isn't blitzing Kakashi without V1 or V2. I legitimately don't know how fast he can activate either of those, but assuming it isn't instant, I see no reason why Kakashi can't use a smoke bomb for immediate stealth and then hide. Ay's not too bright. A clone and some other distractions (like dogs, chains, spikes, even extra smoke bombs) aren't going to provide any major threat, but they are all Kakashi needs. If Ay's attention is on plowing through a clone and some dogs, his attention is not on the real Kakashi tracking him with MS, which results in a snipe since he's unaware.

But, again, this is all operating on the idea that Ay can't instantly go into a V1 or V2 blitz. If there are feats for that off of his base form (too lazy to find his fights and scans), then I agree.

 

[KidGamer65]

Ay isn't blitzing Kakashi without V1 or V2. I legitimately don't know how fast he can activate either of those, but assuming it isn't instant, I see no reason why Kakashi can't use a smoke bomb for immediate stealth and then hide. Ay's not too bright. A clone and some other distractions (like dogs, chains, spikes, even extra smoke bombs) aren't going to provide any major threat, but they are all Kakashi needs. If Ay's attention is on plowing through a clone and some dogs, his attention is not on the real Kakashi tracking him with MS, which results in a snipe since he's unaware.

But, again, this is all operating on the idea that Ay can't instantly go into a V1 or V2 blitz. If there are feats for that off of his base form (too lazy to find his fights and scans), then I agree.

It's instant just like most mode/cloak activations.

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But even if it wasn't, Kakashi can't get underground before Ay gets to him, nor will those distractions work because Ay knows that only the real Kakashi, the one that is hiding, is the threat.

 

[NarutoX28]

Ay isn't blitzing Kakashi without V1 or V2. I legitimately don't know how fast he can activate either of those, but assuming it isn't instant, I see no reason why Kakashi can't use a smoke bomb for immediate stealth and then hide. Ay's not too bright. A clone and some other distractions (like dogs, chains, spikes, even extra smoke bombs) aren't going to provide any major threat, but they are all Kakashi needs. If Ay's attention is on plowing through a clone and some dogs, his attention is not on the real Kakashi tracking him with MS, which results in a snipe since he's unaware.

But, again, this is all operating on the idea that Ay can't instantly go into a V1 or V2 blitz. If there are feats for that off of his base form (too lazy to find his fights and scans), then I agree.

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[Booker]

It's instant just like most mode/cloak activations.

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But even if it wasn't, Kakashi can't get underground before Ay gets to him, nor will those distractions work because Ay knows that only the real Kakashi, the one that is hiding, is the threat.

Alright, yeah he loses.

But assuming the scenario I gave were backed up, you're wrong. If Ay's cloak wasn't an instant activated jutsu, why couldn't Kakashi throw a smoke bomb and use it for both hiding and creating diversions? Ay doesn't have any AOE to my knowledge. Ay doesn't even know about the clones or distractions, his intelligence is poopy. Should be one of the easiest characters to fool/feint, especially with Kakashi as his opponent who is a master of feints and stealth.

 

[KidGamer65]

Alright, yeah he loses.

But assuming the scenario I gave were backed up, you're wrong. If Ay's cloak wasn't an instant activated jutsu, why couldn't Kakashi throw a smoke bomb and use it for both hiding and creating diversions? Ay doesn't have any AOE to my knowledge. Ay doesn't even know about the clones or distractions, his intelligence is poopy. Should be one of the easiest characters to fool/feint, especially with Kakashi as his opponent who is a master of feints and stealth.

Ay's never done anything that'd lead anyone to believe his intelligence is low. Lmao the one time he did something dumb was when he was enraged because of what he thought Sasuke did to Killer B. A smoke bomb only prevents Ay from seeing him, but his position hasn't changed. Doesn't eliminate the main issue which is Kakashi being able to act before Ay is in range to strike him. If he could make any kind of diversion or distraction to help him beat Ay in the time it takes Ay to reach him then a smoke bomb wouldn't be necessary as it literally does nothing.

 

[Booker]

Ay's never done anything that'd lead anyone to believe his intelligence is low. Lmao the one time he did something dumb was when he was enraged because of what he thought Sasuke did to Killer B. A smoke bomb only prevents Ay from seeing him, but his position hasn't changed. Doesn't eliminate the main issue which is Kakashi being able to act before Ay is in range to strike him. If he could make any kind of diversion or distraction to help him beat Ay in the time it takes Ay to reach him then a smoke bomb wouldn't be necessary as it literally does nothing.

Damn, you're right.

Why throw a smoke bomb when Kamui is faster? Lol. That went right over my head. Not that this discussion matters because Ay does blitz him off start, now that I know.

 

[TheLostShinobi]

So RIP Kakashi?

 

[NarutoX28]

So RIP Kakashi?

#RIPKakashi

 

[Antdog]

A would win. A can pretty much tank most of what Kakashi can dish out with his durability and Raiton Armor while also having enough power to punch Kakashi to death or chop him to pieces. Kakashi's only shot at winning would be Kamui but as we saw before hand, when A saw Sasuke upgrade to the MS he went right to V2 which would allow him to dodge Kamui and lolwhatthe****justhappened bltiz Kakashi.

 

[rockleeuchiha]

Lol it's either blitz, outlast or lose when it comes to ay or minato

lmao fr bro

 

[DrProof]

Ay's never done anything that'd lead anyone to believe his intelligence is low. Lmao the one time he did something dumb was when he was enraged because of what he thought Sasuke did to Killer B. A smoke bomb only prevents Ay from seeing him, but his position hasn't changed. Doesn't eliminate the main issue which is Kakashi being able to act before Ay is in range to strike him. If he could make any kind of diversion or distraction to help him beat Ay in the time it takes Ay to reach him then a smoke bomb wouldn't be necessary as it literally does nothing.

Smoke Bomb application -> Kamui would be a favorable sequence if like I stated the starting distance is favorable to Kakashi. If the starting distance allows Ei to blitz Kakashi before any initial actions can be taken Ei takes 10/10. However, if the the distance isn't blitz-esque, the former application should work.

 

[KidGamer65]

Smoke Bomb application -> Kamui would be a favorable sequence if like I stated the starting distance is favorable to Kakashi. If the starting distance allows Ei to blitz Kakashi before any initial actions can be taken Ei takes 10/10. However, if the the distance isn't blitz-esque, the former application should work.

Even if Ay can't blitz Kakashi with no reaction, you'd need an abnormally large distance if you want to argue that he releases a smoke bomb and then gets underground or does whatever he wants to do before Ay reaches him. Not like it'd matter anyway because Ay would still dodge Kamui as Kakashi has no way to actually distract Ay from his presence long enough to prevent him from dodging.

 

[DrProof]

Even if Ay can't blitz Kakashi with no reaction, you'd need an abnormally large distance if you want to argue that he releases a smoke bomb and then gets underground or does whatever he wants to do before Ay reaches him. Not like it'd matter anyway because Ay would still dodge Kamui as Kakashi has no way to actually distract Ay from his presence long enough to prevent him from dodging.

How would he dodge Kamui while they're both surrounded by the smoke screen?