War Arc Kakashi & KCM Naruto vs MS Itachi and EMS Sasuke

What happens

  • Naruto & Kakashi win

    Votes: 8 42.1%
  • Itachi & Sasuke win

    Votes: 6 31.6%
  • Kakashi just warps 'em both GG

    Votes: 3 15.8%
  • Itachi Totsuka's their souls away

    Votes: 2 10.5%

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    19

ARGUS

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But the current Naruto with the Sages powerup in KCM mode can still do that.

All OP said was KCM Naruto, he stated no time frame.
Im pretty sure the OP meant to say that this is KCM naruto, the one that fought the edo kages and nagato,, as well as the zetsus,,,
current naruto is referred as RSM Naruto,, and not to mention that even if this is base/SM naruto after he gained the sages power,,as naruto and sasuke ascended far too much after recieving his power,, seeing how his YRS alone had the DC to chop the entire god tree,,,
 

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based on? Sandaime raikage couldn't even dodge KCM FRS when the clones guided them with chakra arms, what allows Susanoo to dodge 12?

3rd raikage is only v1 speed sasuke fought on par with v1 A also sasuke's standing susanoo his much faster than himself it jumps several metors high the clones are 1 shotted with enton magatamas or susanoo arrows they're dodging speed aint shit


based on? YM being as fast as a FRS which deva path and sandaime raikage could dodge at point blank?

Key word point blank range. V4 Standing susanoo defense >>>>>>>> 3rd raikage who wasit sratch by FRS and as i said before he can shoot multiply or enton arrow witch has the speed of a susanoo arrow frs isnt a problem for him point blank range or not.


Based on what? In order to turn back FRS, sasuke has to make an enton of equal power. Even the biggest enton he's ever made in the manga Coating his susanoo with enton is just going to make his susanoo get hit by a FRS powered up by enton.

No he doesnt need to make it with equal power wind makes fire grow anyways same here a wiff of enton touches frs it expands over the hole thing it. It doesnt need to change the direction of frs when further more the frs can be chopped in half by or dodge or tank frs is no problem here.

Not only that but COFRS easily destroys Sasuke's non-perfect susanoo considering

That was from the back nor did it penetrate sasuke and baku suction should not be underestimated the hole frs argument has been shitting on countless from amaterasu to just tanking it.

If Naruto can give Kakashi the kyuubi chakra cloak, team 1 wins as kakashi is pretty much immune to amaterasu (since the cloak takes the hit) and the brothers aren't dodging a juubi-sized kamui. If he can't give kakashi the cloak, team 2 should win high difficulty

Naruto cannot give kakashi a chakra shroud so end the disscussion rite there. and what was all the debating for when you admit team 2 wins anyways should have just ended it there.

1. Standing Susanoo is mobile, but speed is not one of it's strongest characteristics. In fact it's sort of slow... Kakashi teleporting and Narutos blitzing are faster.


Manda disagree as Sasuke while his standind susanoo was equal in speed with BM naruto and was able to fend off obito further more its jumps or leaps are several kilometors when you conclude its size naruto blitz is nothing sasuke was able to track obito genjutsu one shots kakashi or amaterasu.

2. You have no proof that that 1 time attack is faster than Naruto lol.


Naruto attacks in a liner fashion magatama does aswell you cannot dodge in a mid air stride he is no sasuke further more susanoo arrow shits on kmc clones

3. Too much wrong with that statement

nothing was wrong with that statement you just couldnt find away around it so you decided to an insult it instead of counter.

But the current Naruto with the Sages powerup in KCM mode can still do that.

All OP said was KCM Naruto, he stated no time frame.

obviously juubito arc km naruto for balancing reasons thinking its anything above your dismiss because thats just nonsense
 

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3rd raikage is only v1 speed sasuke fought on par with v1 A also sasuke's standing susanoo his much faster than himself it jumps several metors high the clones are 1 shotted with enton magatamas or susanoo arrows they're dodging speed aint shit
where in the world did you get the bolded from? Why would the clone's dodging speed be any different from their attacking or movement speed?

Also, it's completely irrelevant how high sasuke's V3 jumps, gamabunta can jump into the clouds, that doesn't mean he's faster than sandaime raikage. Finally, even if the V3 is much faster than sasuke (which it isn't) it's a much larger target and thus can be tagged just as easily.


Key word point blank range. V4 Standing susanoo defense >>>>>>>> 3rd raikage who wasit sratch by FRS and as i said before he can shoot multiply or enton arrow witch has the speed of a susanoo arrow frs isnt a problem for him point blank range or not.
Once again, you literally just assert the bolded, yet give zero arguments to back it up by. What has the V4 susanoo tanked that puts it above sandaime raikage? What in the world puts a V4 so much higher than a V3 that a V3 can get blown open by danzou's fuuton while a V4 doesn't get a scratch from the much more powerful FRS?

Again the magatamas have to be on par with the FRS, and sasuke is not going to be able to turn them all back if they are launched at multiple directions.



No he doesnt need to make it with equal power wind makes fire grow anyways same here a wiff of enton touches frs it expands over the hole thing it. It doesnt need to change the direction of frs when further more the frs can be chopped in half by or dodge or tank frs is no problem here.
He does have to make it with equal power, the post you've just quoted shows that so unless you address that and refute it, then you'd be tacitly conceding that point. Not only that, but we have yamato stating the exact thing that I just said in the lower left panel: which proves that the enton has to be on the same level as FRS. When sasuke and naruto combined their enton and FRS, the technique didn't explode until it hit obito and traveled a hundred meters, the same thing happens here unless the entons are on the same level as the FRS.


That was from the back nor did it penetrate sasuke and baku suction should not be underestimated the hole frs argument has been shitting on countless from amaterasu to just tanking it.
show me what implies the back is significantly weaker than the front.
I didn't say it penetrated SASUKE, i said it blew open the back of his susanoo, do you disagree with that statement?
I'm not underestimating baku's suction, i included it in my analysis and with it danzou's fuuton isn't anywhere near the power of a FRS. So from the evidence that both of us have brought to the table, FRS destroys a V3 susanoo and therefore unless you can show that V4 increases susanoos defense by so much that it's greater than the difference between FRS and Chou oodama FRS, V4 gets destroyed by that as well.



Naruto cannot give kakashi a chakra shroud so end the disscussion rite there. and what was all the debating for when you admit team 2 wins anyways should have just ended it there.
What do you base the bolded on?

Nope, the conclusions of the argument aren't what's important, it's the reasoning that people use to get to those conclusions that is important.
 
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Since Sasuke/Naruto are always more or less equal(i believe Naruto is only EMS equal when he gets full Kurama chakra, but anyway), Itachi >>>>>>>>>> Kakashi.


But seeing as Itachi saved KCM Naruto's ass against Nagato and later totsuka solo'd healthy Nagato later.

Seeing as Itachi 1shotted Kakashi, without a doubt and no troll I could say Itachi solo gg

EMS Sasuke is just there in case Itachi doesnt win this in 5 moves.

Lol how does team 1 take this? Kakashi's amplified Kamui can take out sasuke in one shot. Naruto can create at least 11 KM clones which are more than capable of defeating him itachi and backing up naruto himself. CRS can take out either of them.

Itachi can cover Sasuke in his Yata Susanoo. Kamui(astral jutsu/space time) doesnt work on yata so theres kamui for you.
Sasuke with Itachi's susanoo solo Kakashi.

Itachi covered in PS vs KCM Naruto? overkill
 
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standing susanoo is to mobile further magatams or susanoo shits on the km clones who cannot dodge them COFRS is to big not to be noticed or seen by either uchiha furthermore he can coat his susanoo in enton making still uselss and it wouldnt destroy their susanoo regarless

Susanno being mobile=/= sasuke tracking the clones. He couldn't track bee's swords despite him being a very mobile person. And srry but the clones dodge the matanagma's just fine.
If the clones do their job correctly he won't notice it.
Him coating his susanno in enton isn't stopping a frs of that size. He'd have to have arrow's worth of pure flame to engulf it. From its single feat the layer is nowhere near that thick.
Now don't get me wrong team 2 wins. But sasuke can't tank cho frs if executed like that.
 
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