Waking up the NarutoBase! : Kabuto > Naruto

[End of Days]

Now how the hell do you think I would start the conditions of Kabuto starting in base vs. BM Naruto -_-

never said base kabuto -_-, but lets counter your wall of text

 

[-Sky-]

Its unnecessary? And are you reading?:

It is quite necessary actually. And yes I read. (Still reading) But you're restricting Naruto's most powerful mode, yet you claim Kabuto is greater than him. I haven't gotten through your entire OP yet, but I'm simply saying you titled your thread inaccurately.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

It is quite necessary actually. And yes I read. (Still reading) But you're restricting Naruto's most powerful mode, yet you claim Kabuto is greater than him. I haven't gotten through your entire OP yet, but I'm simply saying you titled your thread inaccurately.

You have been here longer then me, how do you not see that title as a attention mechanism lol.

Plus BSM is still questionable on how much is changed since someone explained here:

naruto was always able to use SM without kurama's permession:|what he was never able to is fuse with the toads because of kurama.but he never used it at the same time with kurama's chakra except against nagato and the reason is because kurama made his chakra flow in naruto.
and the other point it's true it got faster,but it's relatively to the normal SM which uses naruto's chakra which was almost 30 seconds(which isn't really a big amount of natural energy),in BM it's like 5 seconds.
is it really logical that an enourmous amount of natural energy that will be used to mix kurama's chakra with it into a senjutsu chakra will be absorbed in a matter of seconds?
plus another thing,here bottom right panel:

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kurama says" use your sage power while using mine",keyword is "while",naruto is using SM and BM at the same time,not using kurama's chakra to create a new BSM.
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naruto says"he'll add sage chakra to this bijuu dama",wait if it was really a BSM,a true mode thatthe bijuu's chakra is mixed with natural energy already then that bijuu dama should already be a senjutsu attack from the moment of its creation,not the senjutsu chakra to be added later.

Although having BM and SM at the same time, unparalleled senses, would make some of my counters ineffective.

 

[Champ]

Unless I'm confused you're saying Kabuto has frog kata? White rage would be the only effective move to help Kabuto against Naruto, but with his speed once white is lunched Naruto can travel a distances away with his speed, since he's not restricted in a cave like the Uchiha bros were. Kimimaro bones won't touch a clone if it can sense like the original, it dodges like the 3rd Raikage at last second, but Rasengan would destroy Kimi bones. You show that scan of Obito swiping a clone away with gunbai, which only proves he had to phase through Naruto to dodge that mini Biju dama.. Kabuto can't phase so a chakra mode clone with a Mini Biju dama would hit Kabuto. Can't believe you're saying Kimimaro bones can tank Rasen Shuriken, when Susano'o sword already sliced through it. If Rasen shuriken hits I see it slicing through Kabuto like it did one of the path, and that's just a regular one not a Odama. You made up too much stuff for me to continue. Naruto wins

 

[-Sky-]

Plus BSM is still questionable on how much is changed since someone explained here:

I hold BSM in high regard because of the sensing feats of KM, BM, and SM all combined into one makes Naruto one of the best, if not the best Sensor's in the manga. He can sense Danger, Chakra, and thoughts. And he sensed the entire Shinobi war in real time. (That was an SM feat)

Regardless of how much his power increased, which is unproven either way, he still has his superb sensing abilities.

Although having BM and SM at the same time, unparalleled senses, would make some of my counters ineffective.

That's what I'm saying. (._.)

Anyway, you put really impressive effort into your OP. I gotta spread rep though.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Unless I'm confused you're saying Kabuto has frog kata?

No, maybe I didn't break it down enough, since it will add more to read. Enabling to gather Natural Energy is able to increase your hand-to hand skill commented by Fukasaku. Natural Energy will help Kabuto's hand-to-hand range with Chakra Scalpel. Kabuto has his own fighting style, that will enable him to increase his own hand-to-hand.

Naruto personally use frog kata as a fight style. Kabuto uses Chakra Scalpel. Both of their fighting style hitboxes are increased.

White rage would be the only effective move to help Kabuto against Naruto, but with his speed once white is lunched Naruto can travel a distances away with his speed, since he's not restricted in a cave like the Uchiha bros were.

Naruto completely leaving the battlefield is unlikely.

Kimimaro bones won't touch a clone if it can sense like the original, it dodges like the 3rd Raikage at last second, but Rasengan would destroy Kimi bones.

It's Kabuto perceptual ability that enables Kimimaro to.

You show that scan of Obito swiping a clone away with gunbai, which only proves he had to phase through Naruto to dodge that mini Biju dama.. Kabuto can't phase so a chakra mode clone with a Mini Biju dama would hit Kabuto.

That scan was only proof of showing clones durability.

Can't believe you're saying Kimimaro bones can tank Rasen Shuriken, when Susano'o sword already sliced through it.

Itachi has never displayed a long sword for his Sussanoo. It was Tosuka, ethereal priorities, that rip through it.

If Rasen shuriken hits I see it slicing through Kabuto like it did one of the path, and that's just a regular one not a Odama.

Human Path took a direct hit. Kabuto's body is much better, which I post.

You made up too much stuff for me to continue. Naruto wins

@last quote lmao.

I hold BSM in high regard because of the sensing feats of KM, BM, and SM all combined into one makes Naruto one of the best, if not the best Sensor's in the manga. He can sense Danger, Chakra, and thoughts. And he sensed the entire Shinobi war in real time. (That was an SM feat)

Regardless of how much his power increased, which is unproven either way, he still has his superb sensing abilities.



That's what I'm saying. (._.)

Anyway, you put really impressive effort into your OP. I gotta spread rep though.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Kyuubi Modō Naruto was already more than enough for Kabuto.​

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[Brother Numpsay]

Kyuubi Modō Naruto was already more than enough for Kabuto.​

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I was waiting for you to put your input, regarding my points.

 

[DemonicAvenger]

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I was waiting for you to put your input, regarding my points.

I work the 10 - 8 shift for the next 3 days. So it'll have to wait.​

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[Brother Numpsay]

I work the 10 - 8 shift for the next 3 days. So it'll have to wait.​

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Aw, see you thanks giving (mostly likely not) then =(

 

[DemonicAvenger]

Aw, see you thanks giving (mostly likely not) then =(

When im not stuffing my face and getting high, sure.​

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[Champ]

No, maybe I didn't break it down enough, since it will add more to read. Enabling to gather Natural Energy is able to increase your hand-to hand skill commented by Fukasaku. Natural Energy will help Kabuto's hand-to-hand range with Chakra Scalpel. Kabuto has his own fighting style, that will enable him to increase his own hand-to-hand.

Naruto personally use frog kata as a fight style. Kabuto uses Chakra Scalpel. Both of their fighting style hitboxes are increased.



Naruto completely leaving the battlefield is unlikely.



It's Kabuto perceptual ability that enables Kimimaro to.



That scan was only proof of showing clones durability.



Itachi has never displayed a long sword for his Sussanoo. It was Tosuka, ethereal priorities, that rip through it.



Human Path took a direct hit. Kabuto's body is much better, which I post.



@last quote lmao.

You said their location is open field, Naruto doesn't have to leave the battle field a good enough distance white rage is useless, since the cave amplified the noise which made it effective. Frog Kata or not I don't see a taijutsu fight, Kabuto will be knocked out. We never saw Totsuka out. Kabuto loses, he has nothing to stop Odama RS, or a gang of Mini Biju dama.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

You said their location is open field, Naruto doesn't have to leave the battle field a good enough distance white rage is useless, since the cave amplified the noise which made it effective.

He could. but how does Naruto know the range of this attack? How does he know how it works?

Frog Kata or not I don't see a taijutsu fight, Kabuto will be knocked out.

Already establish this, concerning and dealing with Frog Kata, in my counter

We never saw Totsuka out. Kabuto loses, he has nothing to stop Odama RS, or a gang of Mini Biju dama.

Already established concerning this on my counter, which you don't feel like reading the rest of it.

 

[End of Days]

-Kabuto's CQC: Chakra Scalpel,

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. This can take his Bushins with ease.

any snake summons get obliterated by oodama rasengans [

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-Naruto may have entered SM at that point, and prepares a FRS to throw. Once thrown, Kabuto can attempt to move out the way, will only just expand, cutting him in half [

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Naruto can actually throw three frs in total so if one is dodged the rest two hit him and the wind sphere of microscopic needles take out his chakra network

-If using SM clone to attack Kabuto, Kabuto in the end will be the victor here. Because of Natural Energy both of their arsenals are increase[

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]. So the end once both sense each other incoming attack and dodges them last minute, both he will get a shock wave hit up close[

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not this again, fukasaku specifically taught frog katas to naruto, using natural energy to hit the opponent is used by frogs

Kabuto, fighting style being different, results in chopping and slicing, short shockwave.

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In the end Kabuto can liquify the part to ease the impact [

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are you trying to compare that to a shockwave that throws a human meters away?

Kabuto also has two other options dealing with the clones CQC. Making the navel snake support him to attack/strike[

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really? a tiny snake when bijuu sized summons are thrown away casually?
and what will the navel snake and kimimaro bones do about senpo oodama rasengan from two or more clones simultaneously

KM clone is simply too much, but they can still easily lose with a direct hit[

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and the problem is trying to hit the clone itself, ask third raikage and kabuto unfortunately doesnt poseses kamui just throwing it out there

Naruto's character can still be clumsy so Kabuto can still use that has in advantage[

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naruto is clumsy or stupid argument is not gonna cut it

Kabuto using Muki Tensei on the ground, will trouble Naruto to stabilize his balance to even attack properly [

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]. To seal the deal, Kabuto makes sure that the ground becomes like crashing waves, or quicksand to restrict their movements. From there Kabuto can do whatever he wants to KO them.

the clones jump off the ground and then attack [

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-Lets say a clone successfully breached Kabuto [

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], by spawning from the back. And because of his perceptual upgrade, granted by Sage Mode, helps him grab him time, unlike the 3rd Raikage case. Kabuto will then successfully blocks/restrict Naruto from landing it. That's not all Kabuto then can switch Sakon to Jirobo so he can absorb his chakra[

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i fail to see how spawning ukon will help him defend, what is he going to do about the frs coming straight at him
and jirobo will absorb frs, is taht what you are saying? jirobo is not preta path

-Lets say it did hit. Kabuto has many options to counter the jutsu's effect. What makes FRS dangerous was explained by Tsunade[

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]. 3rd Raikage'd durability enable him to defeats its effects by having a strong body[

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A)Use Kimmimaro' bone layer, powered by Senjutsu[

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wont stop microscopic needles

B) Using Kidomaru's sweat gland to block the chakra, with its testament of blocking Juuken[

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wont stop it either

C)Using his own Body Fuild, which works much better then Suigetsu[

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his body is still their and hence his chakra network gets destroyed

-To deal with Chakra Arm Obstacle[

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], Kabuto can deal with them with his perceptual ability+Senpo:Chakra Scalpel.
-Naruto attempting to grab on to Kabuto will be hard, of his perceptual ability of course, but what makes it a done deal Kabuto's upgrade in Chakra Scalpel:

Bold and underline is the most important factor here. This jutsu is able to attack internally and simply ignoring the external layer of the skin. With the upgrade of Senjutsu, the Scapels prioritizes has taken its next step in cutting precision.
-Both engaging each other, Kabuto should be safe. Senpo:Chakra Scalpel should be able ignore Naruto's external chakra shroud and cut internally. Or because of his Naruto amazing durability/chakra shroud feat. IT should bring the medical jutsu's damage back to Part I damage[

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-As for Chakra Arms, Kabuto new cutting precision should definitely slice them off[

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], fitting into kabuto's slicing and chopping style. With that he can add 3 times the original cutting power[

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this doesnt even make sense in the slightest, kabuto will damage naruto's body by attacking the chakra arms?

-Naruto's Minidama landing on Kabuto, being safe, is thrown up for debate. We haven't fully seen the jutsu in action. The best feat was when Madara returned it.[

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]. Naruto's clone didn't disintegration, but then again the jutsu didn't hit externally. With that damage Kabuto may blow to liquid, and reforming later. The possible effects is up in the air for now.

the best feat was obliterating the orochimaru's rashomon gates

Summoning usually only applies one Summon per use.

not true since jiraiya has used three summons simultaneously [

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-Manda II is still not needed here for now. Kabuto can use his Snakes Clones to aid him here. They could enlarge themselves, to decent size.[

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Gamakichi in the end needs to land, and at some point the snakes can have a destination where they can coil around him, since he will still be bigger then them, needing more then 1 snake to do the job. Coiling and the snakes fangs, which most likely has numbing poison effects, will force Naruto's Summon to retreat.

-Since they have the same body shed and regeneration as Kabuto, they could be very useful. Like how any Snake Summoning fights. They have fangs, mostly likely poisonous or numbing effects, can use mole tech[

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they arent going to defeat gamakichi who is still bigger than both susanoo used by the uchiha bros there and the snakes, he uses his sword to cut them into pieces just llike sasuke [

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-One of Kabuto's snake can actually breach Naruto's malice sensory. Most summons fight by nature's instinct, so it doesn't count as a malice attack. Much like how Naruto couldn't feel the malice of Nagato's Summon[

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]. So coming out like a Mole tech, can attempt to strangle Naruto, until Kabuto shows up to help out from a vulnerable-Naruto.

the rinnegan summons are puppets controlled by nagato, they dont have a mind of their own so why would naruto sense malice from them?

-Kabuto could use Muki Tensei to disrupt Naruto forming the right ratio.

the tails of BM casually swat away any muki tensei'ed object

-Naruto could always just jump and use it too[

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]. This is where Kabuto's webs can be very useful. The webs materiel as can either be as hard as Gold metal or make it sticky and elastic. Since it is powered by Senjutsu, this ability had brought this jutsu into another peak. Before added with Senpo, the strength of the webs, mainly carried by the weight of Gold, with just a small amount can knock back a human afar[

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], temporally. With no penetrating force behind TBB, and the fact that Kabuto's Senpo: Webs are much stronger and better anyway, will conclude that the webs can act as a trampoline, redirecting the attack away or back to Naruto.

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no

the bijuu dama is powerful enough to push back a full bijuu [

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despite having no penetrating power they are powerful enough to push back any object in their path so the web and bijuu dama both get thrown at kabuto , and this is just standard bijuu dama

kabuto isnt making a web big enough for the mega bijuu dama of naruto lol


i will just ignore the finishers

 

[Brother Numpsay]

any snake summons get obliterated by oodama rasengans [

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No feat has it that obliterate characters

Naruto can actually throw three frs in total so if one is dodged the rest two hit him and the wind sphere of microscopic needles take out his chakra network

Never seen him do them in quick section so moot point. I could of always argue Doton: Mole tech escapes any frs. But I added the worst case scenario. Needles can't take out chakra network in liquid form.

not this again, fukasaku specifically taught frog katas to naruto, using natural energy to hit the opponent is used by frogs

Frog Kata is a fighting style not a shock wave taijutsu.

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I have seen some comments in the base that only Toad Senjutsu shows "more evidence" that Strength boost is exclusive, but the fact is the Manga never implied that Sennin Mōdos have different Boost feats. During Naruto's training Fukasaku never excluded such a thing as he always implied natural energy in general, when speaking to Naruto. The only difference here is of course, the characteristics of entering this Mode. So the fact when you look at Naruto's training, this is what you can imply to what natural energy was able to do for Kabuto.

An example would be when Base Naruto had no such strength feat to lift up Giant boulders [

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] but as soon has he gathered natural energy he was able to perform this strength feat. [

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] This implies that natural energy is what enables the character to get such a feat.

As soon as Naruto mastered natural energy, he was able to block a Summoning monster's attack [

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] Naruto also used natural energy to even pick up and slam the Kyūbi himself. [

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Kabuto has mastered Sennin Mōdo and Natural Energy so this applies to anyone who has mastered these this.

are you trying to compare that to a shockwave that throws a human meters away?

Yes, since physical attacks are ineffective, in liquid form. Not only does it absorb impact, but you can't hurt liquid.

really? a tiny snake when bijuu sized summons are thrown away casually?
and what will the navel snake and kimimaro bones do about senpo oodama rasengan from two or more clones simultaneously

The counter was concerning Naruto's clones, they are not Bijuu size lol. @ at dealing your scenario, don't need to explain how, when its not possible to do.

and the problem is trying to hit the clone itself, ask third raikage and kabuto unfortunately doesnt poseses kamui just throwing it out there

I asked [

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naruto is clumsy or stupid argument is not gonna cut it

No it's not, intelligence plays a factor in match ups too.

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Thats a possibility, but will make him vulnerable in the air, needing aid [

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i fail to see how spawning ukon will help him defend, what is he going to do about the frs coming straight at him
and jirobo will absorb frs, is taht what you are saying? jirobo is not preta path

Properly pinning/holding down his arm so the Rasengan won't land[

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]. Jirobo absorb internal chakra, by holding down Naruto. It doesn't have to be like Pretra level for absorption. Senjutsu channeling into Jirobo's, to increase his ability, should be enough.

wont stop microscopic needles

Yes it will. Back up what your saying. Till then my points are valid, since they're backed up

wont stop it either

Same as above

his body is still their and hence his chakra network gets destroyed

The spikes can't destroy a body at molecule level, try again.

this doesnt even make sense in the slightest, kabuto will damage naruto's body by attacking the chakra arms?

Thats because you are reading it wrong. The context was strictly talking about Defensively. "If being harrassed by arms" He can simply cut them off. Thats all it applied.

the best feat was obliterating the orochimaru's rashomon gates

Thats not the same.

not true since jiraiya has used three summons simultaneously [

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Jiraya already used to requirement to pre summon the sages, the diversion toad was merely for diversion thats all.

they arent going to defeat gamakichi who is still bigger than both susanoo used by the uchiha bros there and the snakes, he uses his sword to cut them into pieces just llike sasuke [

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I brought this up already, you not even countering the post at all. They win by numbers and Kabutos support. Cutting them is useless as much as physical attacks, which was already demonstrated.

the rinnegan summons are puppets controlled by nagato, they dont have a mind of their own so why would naruto sense malice from them?

Exactly the reason why Naruto won't sense the malice from Kabuto's? Which was my whole point?

the tails of BM casually swat away any muki tensei'ed object

Not when he is recovering in my premise.

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no

the bijuu dama is powerful enough to push back a full bijuu [

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?????? This counter my post because?

despite having no penetrating power they are powerful enough to push back any object in their path so the web and bijuu dama both get thrown at kabuto , and this is just standard bijuu dama

Has its path ever encounter elastic priories?

kabuto isnt making a web big enough for the mega bijuu dama of naruto lol

Where did I state he would?

i will just ignore the finishers

Thats not the only thing you ignored.

 

[illidanson]

I didn't really get if Edo was restricted or not and I'm not gonna read through the whole thing to find out.

In any case:

If Edo isn't restricted BM Naruto takes it mid diff:
Superior speed
Superior physical strength
Superior attack (TBB, Giant Rasenshuriken etc.)
And Superior defense (Tanked Tenpenchii and other very powerful jutsus)

That pretty much sums it up.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

I didn't really get if Edo was restricted or not and I'm not gonna read through the whole thing to find out.

In any case:

If Edo isn't restricted BM Naruto takes it mid diff:
Superior speed
Superior physical strength
Superior attack (TBB, Giant Rasenshuriken etc.)
And Superior defense (Tanked Tenpenchii and other very powerful jutsus)

That pretty much sums it up.

It's not even necessary to state that Edo is restricted. Why would it not, in a vs matches?
I wouldn't even need to try all this down if it was, which btw should read later.

 

[SasukeNamikaze]

Kyuubi Mode is superior to Kabuto already. BM or above isn't neccesary.

 

[miromiro]

Before "Waking up the Narutobase" better wake up yourself and cut this lame Kabuto fanboyism already.
Didn't even bother to read the topic, Naruto stomps either way.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Before "Waking up the Narutobase" better wake up yourself and cut this lame Kabuto fanboyism already.
Didn't even bother to read the topic, Naruto stomps either way.

Lmao, I am fanboy to anyone I defend in vs threads/ my opinion in characters perceptive. So everytime I hear that means shit to me. Only proves that your using some sort of defense mechanism.

The fact that you come here with your arrogance, and decided to share an insult instead of a discussion means something is upsetting you.

Once again, as I stated in previously. Vs threads is simply not for you. Kindly gtfo