[Discussion] Wait...so who the hell is DD's "first mate/Number two?

[kmrasengan]

Trebol is from the squad that protects sugar. Where was Sugar? at the garden of the palace becasue she went to turn Luffy and Law into toys, that's the only reason I see.

Oh and Vergo was the most valued probably because he was a double agent working in the marines, so Doffy had a leverage perhaps over the marines, which helped him and Vegapunk experiment on the kids with the artificial devil fruits.

 

[Frikid]

Trebol is from the squad that protects sugar. Where was Sugar? at the garden of the palace becasue she went to turn Luffy and Law into toys, that's the only reason I see.

Oh and Vergo was the most valued probably because he was a double agent working in the marines, so Doffy had a leverage perhaps over the marines, which helped him and Vegapunk experiment on the kids with the artificial devil fruits.

vegapunk did not do any experiment on kids? it was ceasar.

 

[Uzumaki Macho]

Trebol is from the squad that protects sugar. Where was Sugar? at the garden of the palace becasue she went to turn Luffy and Law into toys, that's the only reason I see.

Oh and Vergo was the most valued probably because he was a double agent working in the marines, so Doffy had a leverage perhaps over the marines, which helped him and Vegapunk experiment on the kids with the artificial devil fruits.

She was only protected because she made a lot of people into toys. Now that she only has a few nutcrackers there is no reason for her to be protected a lot.

 

[U mAd]

Loool wtf?

He clearly says what? Strongest or most valued?

meaning he's the strongest

 

[Vandenre1ch]

Diamante, Pica and Trebol are the executives. Pica is the top executive because he's the strongest of the 3.

Vergo was the cheif executive. CHEIF. EXECUTIVE...and Doffy's most valued subordinate. Vergo is Doflamongo's right hand.

 

[kmrasengan]

vegapunk did not do any experiment on kids? it was ceasar.

Yeah I meant Ceasar, don't know why I was thinking in Vegapunk.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It says "valued"
Not "strongest"

That's not what makes a right-hand man. You should also take into consideration that the one who said that Pica was the highest executive was Violet, who either:

1. Knows that Vergo's dead now and didn't count him, therefore Pica is now considered the strongest

2. Didn't know about Vergo since he was in the Marines.

OT: Law confirmed it was Vergo.

 

[jiraiya lives]

It's either vergo, Pica, or Corazon

Pica sorta makes sense since he's the highest exec and he's fighting off against Zoro who is luffy's first mate

As for Vergo, he was Dofla's right hand man and has that fist mate like connection with Dofla

Corazon is in mystery but Dofla seemed to of valued him a lot

 

[TheHokage]

I've argued this point ever since the whole Pica 'hype' came about.

The way I see it the strength within Doflamingo's crew goes like this.

1) Doflamingo
2) Vergo
3) Pica/Trebol/Diamante

I'm not going to try gauge Corazon's strength cause quite frankly we don't know whether or not he was strong. Vergo has had overall a much better portrayal and his feats match it and he certainly wouldn't be getting beat off Zoro mid diff.

Vergo's feats -

Speed: Was shown to be able to blitz Law in Law's own room not to mention he could easily keep up with Sanji.
Strength: Shown to be able to brawl with Haki users like Smoker who is comparable with Law not to mention he has the ability to break Sanji's bones off just a normal kick and bend metal walls with an after shock of his attack.
Endurance: Took powerful hits from Sanji (Diable), Law (Counter shock) and Smoker (Haki hits) and was still able to fight.

The fact that it took the combination of a Vice Admiral like Smoker and Law should show that he is stronger than Pica who is only battling Zoro.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Trebol is from the squad that protects sugar. Where was Sugar? at the garden of the palace becasue she went to turn Luffy and Law into toys, that's the only reason I see.

Oh and Vergo was the most valued probably because he was a double agent working in the marines, so Doffy had a leverage perhaps over the marines, which helped him and Vegapunk experiment on the kids with the artificial devil fruits.

Doffy clearly cared for Vergo more than that since he took the time to talk to him during his final moments and thanked him for all he did and apologize to him, he even called Vergo his partner, indicating he was far more than a mere subordinate. The fact that Vergo, who is usually cold and expressionless, smiled while Doffy talked to him shows they were very close.

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[U mAd]

Doffy clearly cared for Vergo more than that since he took the time to talk to him during his final moments and thanked him for all he did and apologize to him, he even called Vergo his partner, indicating he was far more than a mere subordinate. The fact that Vergo, who is usually cold and expressionless, smiled while Doffy talked to him shows they were very close.

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it also says he's the longest serving solider.first mate confirmed

 

[crono0929]

vergo was the strongest after DD and was his eyes and ears as an infiltrator in the marines.

first mate wise, i think DD does not have a specific First mate, instead, Trebol,pica and diamante are all in the same level of trust, thats why doflamingo trusted each of them with an important thing.

 

[Love Cook]

His most valuable subordinate is definitely Vergo, but his vice command is held by those chair-people IMO...

So how does it make sense that Doffy expected Vergo to take care of Law without any problem ?

I mean Law, as in one of the 'chair people'.

Looks like Doffy held Vergo a lot higher than them. Also Vergo shown feats that haven't been rivaled by any of the other three.

 

[Punk Hazard]

So how does it make sense that Doffy expected Vergo to take care of Law without any problem ?

I mean Law, as in one of the 'chair people'.

Looks like Doffy held Vergo a lot higher than them. Also Vergo shown feats that haven't been rivaled by any of the other three.

1. Doffy was saving the seat for Law, indicating he wasn't at the level yet.

2. He said it wouldn't be easy for Vergo.

 

[Love Cook]

1. Doffy was saving the seat for Law, indicating he wasn't at the level yet.

2. He said it wouldn't be easy for Vergo.

ugh,

yes he did. He was laughing through the Den Den Mushi. He even said, don't you remember the last time Vergo kicked your ass ?

And the point was to get Law in the chair NOW, indicating he is already at that level. Or do you want me to believe that Law, one of the 11 super rookies of the worst generation and shichibukai, isn't at the level of people who are getting beaten the likes of Zoro and Kyros ?

If Law would shambles them there is nothing they could do. Those three haven't shown anything close to Vergo's abilities.

Also the rest of the thread is also full of hints that Vergo was superior, so even if you want to overlook this fact, there is more info suggesting that Vergo was NR.2.

 

[Magi]

It's obviously Pica

 

[Love Cook]

It's obviously Pica

Why is it obvious, and how would you counter all the arguments already given in this thread that say otherwise ?

 

[Ridoku X]

vergo was the strongest after DD and was his eyes and ears as an infiltrator in the marines.

first mate wise, i think DD does not have a specific First mate, instead, Trebol,pica and diamante are all in the same level of trust, thats why doflamingo trusted each of them with an important thing.

I think this is the case. All 3 top executives are of equal trust to Doffy. Hell, I'd say of power as well but oh well...Since we've got the impression of Pica being the strongest, I won't rely much on that. But yeah. Just because Vergo was an "outside" job man, doesn't mean he isn't as important and strong as the rest of the 3 top executives. So yeah, Doffy doesn't have a "First mate" IMO. v_v

 

[kageking]

It was corazon, then he killed him, then it was vergo, then law killed him, now it's pica. The only reason trebol is there is because he had to report to boss after God Usopp made a fool out of him and sugar.

 

[Totsuka No Tsurugi]

Since when people actually care about who is the 1st mate ?