[Discussion] w3 vs m3

[Tomato God]

Weakling trio that we have now vs the monster trio from sabadody
Starting distace long range
Restrictions are nothing
Usopp has prep time and chopper has rumble balls and nami can steal hats and swords and lighters if she gets close quater combat
Intent kill

 

[Hexuze]

Obviously W3. Post-TS Usopp has quite the impressive physical strength and monster point chopper can take a hold of them.

 

[Tomato God]

Obviously W3. Post-TS Usopp has quite the impressive physical strength and monster point chopper can take a hold of them.

Monster chopper got put down by a out-of-cola preskip franky... I dont know why people wank monster chopper cause monster chopper post skip is way weaker.
Think about it. Chopper as a human cant fight. He has the brain of a person and less fighting instinct than most people and zero unforced agression. At skypiea he u
Just ran away same gag he has been doing this whole series. He is mentally a child and the only time he EVER had fighting instinct is when he let his animal side take over in monster point. He even told sanji at fishman island that he wanted to be a monster to help luffy cause he knows he cant otherwise.
Preskip chopper > post skip chopper
And preskip chopper couldnt beat franky from water seven let alone luffy from water seven

 

[Hexuze]

Monster chopper got put down by a out-of-cola preskip franky... I dont know why people wank monster chopper cause monster chopper post skip is way weaker.
Think about it. Chopper as a human cant fight. He has the brain of a person and less fighting instinct than most people and zero unforced agression. At skypiea he u
Just ran away same gag he has been doing this whole series. He is mentally a child and the only time he EVER had fighting instinct is when he let his animal side take over in monster point. He even told sanji at fishman island that he wanted to be a monster to help luffy cause he knows he cant otherwise.
Preskip chopper > post skip chopper
And preskip chopper couldnt beat franky from water seven let alone luffy from water seven

Well you said the intent is to kill. The W3 can take on a pacifista, something the M3 can't do, especially since they're restricted to their strongest attacks at the time and this is Water 7 M3 we're talking about here.

 

[chopstickchakra]

Chopper wouldn't need Rumble Balls since he can control all his points post skip without them and they add no other benefit than more points. His Kung fu point could probably stand up against Sanji.

Usopp had Luffy reeling at Water 7, why wouldn't he b able to after getting bigger and stronger and new attacks?

I don't really see how they'd beat Zoro though. Even though you say she could steal swords in CQC, even back then Zoro had great defensive reflexes, he'd probably chop her before she stole all 3 swords.

 

[Tomato God]

Well you said the intent is to kill. The W3 can take on a pacifista, something the M3 can't do, especially since they're restricted to their strongest attacks at the time and this is Water 7 M3 we're talking about here.

I guess it is a bit of a slaughter. Ill take the restrictions away and move the m3 up to sabadody arche

Chopper wouldn't need Rumble Balls since he can control all his points post skip without them and they add no other benefit than more points. His Kung fu point could probably stand up against Sanji.

Usopp had Luffy reeling at Water 7, why wouldn't he b able to after getting bigger and stronger and new attacks?

I don't really see how they'd beat Zoro though. Even though you say she could steal swords in CQC, even back then Zoro had great defensive reflexes, he'd probably chop her before she stole all 3 swords.

Nami has attacks bigger and badder than some of enels....

 

[VongolaX]

Monster trio water 7 still wrecks

 

[chopstickchakra]

I guess it is a bit of a slaughter. Ill take the restrictions away and move the m3 up to sabadody arche

Nami has attacks bigger and badder than some of enels....

Which means nothing as long as Luffy is there to intercept them. Maybe if they all focus on taking out Zoro first. Or Nami uses cyclone tempest to blow Zoro away and getting him lost so he can't return to the battle

 

[Hexuze]

Monster trio water 7 still wrecks

The underestimation of the W3 is real.

 

[Anduril]

W3 wins with moderate to High difficulty, considering the range is Long, and al W3 have improved physically, Nami's lightning bolts are much quicker now, Usopp has an assortment of Attacks and being a Sniper Long range is prefered by him. Chopper can go into any point he wants and as a last resort has the Monster point. On top of that you have given Usopp prep time.

 

[Love Cook]

Weakling trio post skip can definitely beat Pacifista(s), the entire SH team could barely take down one before time skip.

W3 -> M3

 

[YellowFang]

Luffy will one shot Usopp and Nami in G2 while Zoro and Sanji toy around with Monster Chopper before wrecking him...

 

[24 12 11 to troll]

Not gonna lie... Usopp would solo

Nami would solo if it wasn't for the fact he thunder doesn't work on Luffy

Chopper would solo

Low difficulty overall

 

[kageking]

I don't think there's a point in time where the M3 lose this one. Sanji would lose to nami no matter what of course.

 

[SanjiZoroLuffy]

Chopper wouldn't need Rumble Balls since he can control all his points post skip without them and they add no other benefit than more points. His Kung fu point could probably stand up against Sanji.

Usopp had Luffy reeling at Water 7, why wouldn't he b able to after getting bigger and stronger and new attacks?

I don't really see how they'd beat Zoro though. Even though you say she could steal swords in CQC, even back then Zoro had great defensive reflexes, he'd probably chop her before she stole all 3 swords.

holy crap dude ur such a zoro fan boy stop being so dumb luffy was stronger then zoro ussop pushed luffy to high diff Luffy>zoro mid diff so ussop whould beat zoro Extreme diff post and pre time skip sanji on the other hand is to fast and smart to be beat by ussop tricks

 

[VongolaX]

The underestimation of the W3 is real.

I want you to stop and think about the previous opponents water 7 monster trio fought before leaving to Ennies lobby, then compare it to Nami, chopper, and Usopp.

Seriously just think

 

[chopstickchakra]

holy crap dude ur such a zoro fan boy stop being so dumb luffy was stronger then zoro ussop pushed luffy to high diff Luffy>zoro mid diff so ussop whould beat zoro Extreme diff post and pre time skip sanji on the other hand is to fast and smart to be beat by ussop tricks

I don't think you understand what fanboy means. Usopp had a strategy specifically designed for Luffy which enabled him to push Luffy back so much, it's like Batman v Superman in Batman has laid out a plan to keep Supes off balance the same way Usopp did but once balance is gained it's game over.

Usopp's actually my favorite SH I just don't fanboy over characters to the point of not accepting battle outcomes, kind of ironic as you tried to call me a Zoro fanboy. I already said Usopp would blow Luffy away this time, but Usopp couldn't beat Zoro, no matter how much I wish he could it's not happening. Zoro's reaction and aim are good enough to deflect and cut all of Usopp's shots. Zoro's stronger than Chopper. Zoro's reaction time would stop Nami from stealing all 3 swords before getting cut. Idk what you expect to hear but they don't have a counter for Zoro like they do Luffy and Sanji.

Even if we switched up the fights:

Chopper/Zoro Sanji/Usopp Luffy/Nami - Luffy immune to lightning, Zoro beats Chopper left with a 3 on 1.

Zoro/Nami Luffy/Chopper Sanji/Usopp - Pretty self explanatory here, left with another 3 on 1.

Sanji/Nami Chopper/Zoro Luffy/Usopp - Nami beats Sanji due to refusal to hit, Zoro beats Chopper, Usopp beats Luffy - left with a 2 on 1.

Sanji/Chopper Usopp/Luffy Zoro/Nami - This may be the only way they win, Nami uses cyclone tempest to blow Zoro away from the battlefield which he won't find again with his direction, Usopp beats Luffy then Chopper has to outfight Sanji, but with Nami still around to distract him it's a lot easier.

"ussop whould beat zoro Extreme diff post and pre time skip "
I'm sorry I didn't realize I was talking with a moron.

 

[Bogard]

- Nami's most dangerous move is still lightning, something that could be blocked or dodged by Kalifa level opponents. Physically she showed nothing that makes me believe she could stand up to M3 level characters even pretimeskip

- Usopp's best is still around his sniping capabilities as well as trapping capabilities. With enough prep, he can surely do damage, but i doubt he could handle M3 level characters physically even pretimeskip. He had difficulties in close quarter combat against a fishman who didn't seem to be stronger than Hacchi, an opponent Zoro defeated since Arlong Park

- As for Chopper, all we know is that he masters his transformations better, but we have no idea concerning the improvement in his physical stats besides his endurance(when it was shot down by a post-skip elephant gun) that is comparable or lower than M3 lvl characters(they were able to tank Oars attacks even preskip)

W3 could probably beat a Pacifista but it has no influence in the comparison considering Pacifistas lack brain and w3 are probably intelligent enough to put the Pacifista in a situation where they would damage it with their mid-high end attacks without being reckless at all(even preskip, Usopp was capable to damage one from the inside). In case of fighting an opponent with high physical stats and brain however, it's something different

 

[Tomato God]

I don't think there's a point in time where the M3 lose this one. Sanji would lose to nami no matter what of course.

Luffy zoro and sanji from east blue would die

 

[Dr Strangelove]

I'll give it to the W3 mid - high diff.
Especially with Ussops new feats and the fact that Chopper now has control over Monster Point.