VOTE1 KN0 Naruto Vs SRA Neji.

[unknownvillain1254]

Gentle Fist is a unorthodox fighting style, in defensive CQC it focuses on quick deflection rather than straight up formal blocks , aiming to counter the force of the attacker with as little minimal force in contrast or completely avoiding it. These two things seems to be entirely co-dependent on the Hyuga's hand speed and agility wouldn't u say?




True.





But that is exactly the case as wat happened in the instance..

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Neji was caught off-guard due to the Giant spider covering then exploding on top of him in conjunction with seeing the daggers were right in his face distance with him not having dealt with the Giant movement restricting web falling down on him that needed to be dealt with first , unlike his earlier dodges where he knew the attacks were coming but could not simultaneously evade the daggers while getting rid of the baby spiders long enough for him to avoid getting coiled in the webs and temporally stuck for the daggers to be of use before be could snap the webs.

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Yep and a very good point , and this was due to how fast he could mentally and physical react with his blocking speed.





But at the same time rotation was only used to counter that specific thing.





His Chakra expanding could very likely be due to his emotions + the explosion of shunshin under his feet.



This could very well be the exact moment of take-off in simultaneous conjunction with his chakra expanding.





This is true , the way it was portrayed can also be seen as Naruto blasting off also shunshin has been portrayed a number of ways has it not? it just depends on how far ur going along with how long u focus chakra to ur feet.






True again but the circumstances are different here , Naruto spontaneously Expanded his Chakra due to his emotions which was specially used to counter Kaiten , against Sasuke it was ntn but Taijutsu with the one exception being when he used Chakra Roar.






Very true, but unlike Sasuke Neji can anticipate the use of such a direct attack by seeing the slightest chakra build in the feet , his Taijutsu skill and Genius also being above sasuke should also allow him predict that sort of linear attack when aided by the Byakugans acute vision on top of his unorthodox circular movements.

-3T Sasuke did make it sound like the reason he could see Naruto is due to the subtle way Chakra enters his body , which implies that its due to Naruto focusing chakra at specific parts of the body when moving towards him is wat allowed him to predict the next movement before it happens.







Very true but Neji is different from 2T Sasuke due to him being able to anticipate when Naruto is about dash forward by the subtle build up of chakra and he can see where Naruto is focusing his chakra for physical attacks along with seeing in better detail how Naruto tries to physically attack him due to 360Dv in conjunction with seeing the slightest build up.

-Another thing i want to note is that Neji's tactical Taijutsu movements that he employs has been shown to be above Sasuke in CQC in conjunction with Neji's gentle fist style aiming to deflect force with little force in return rather than straight up block it and his hand movement speed should be easily above 2T sasuke's.








But the Hyuga fighting doesn't directly confront the physical strength of the enemy but rather they choose the path of least resistance. They use deflective blocking techniques in accordance to removing themselves from the path of the opponent’s attack rather than trying to confront the force with simple formal blocks which is why it greatly differs from Goken with a Gentle Natue instead. This is where the hand speed in conjunction with simultaneous circular foot speed comes in.





This is where we differ because i see it as.


-Naruto gets ready to attack by focusing Chakra in the feet while Neji see's this and gets ready.

-Naruto launches to Neji then focuses chakra at whichever part of the body me wishes to attack Neji while Neji likely sees this too along with seeing exactly how Naruto positions himself for said attack with better acuteness due to wide vision.

-Neji uses unorthodox circular movements in conjunction with Hand speed to deflect the force of Naruto's punch , then if successful he can instigate additional defensive and offensive techniques.





Lol Na man , but daggers coming in simultaneously in waves inches apart from Neji's face closely intertwined between each dodge surely takes less time than it takes Naruto to mentally confirm wat physical move he plans to do next after getting his balance shifted due to force deflection and/or getting his force avoided . This is Due to the fact that in this rapidly fleeting moment where Naruto's attack has been successfully deflected and/or dodged , his balance is somewhat misalign and his mind is recalculating what move to make next. Therefore, this gives Neji a opportunity to launch a counter attack.





Each time Sasuke was hit he was faced with a situation where his balance and/or Los was shifted , be it from getting blasted by a Chakra Roar or getting caught of Guard due to Naruto's physical power overwhelming his formal blocking methods along with his speed , he was always caught with his balance shifted when he collected his hits , but if u think its a weak arguement im sure u have ur reasons.




But between him getting his attack dodged and him thinking wat to do next there is a small exploitable interval which is how the hyuga's fight. Naruto blitzing means he's pushed himself forward at great pace and him getting dodged means he's still gonna be moving with that forward momentum and has to stop to readjust himself after mentally confirming his next physical move which would likely involves subtly focusing Chakra to that area all which will be seen by Byakugan up to the exact details on how Naruto physically forms himself for said attack without even needing to move his head to see wat Naruto is doing.





Thats great bro , i was of the impression that it was becoming tedious to u. I do feel that we are steadily making progress to a satisfactory conclusion so this is great news if thats how u feel.

Dude kid gamer is a troll and a sasuke fan boy

 

[Observer]

Dude kid gamer is a troll and a sasuke fan boy

but bro sasuke fan boy dont debate for naruto!!!!!

 

[KidGamer65]

Its different but i'll just agree here since i first need to prove its applicable against KN0 the same way Kimimaru's fighting style was applicable against him which i cant so far.

Aight.

The point i was trying to make is that his exclamation suggest that he didn't see them coming until the Giant spider was removed , only then did he seem to take note of his situation unlike the other cases. This could be due to the fact that the Byakugan even if already on still needs to take in the surroundings by expanding 360Dv like in this instance..

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Which means it wasn't at that exact moment shown in the panel after the exclamation point, but rather beforehand. I think we can both agree on that.

The Byakugan's abilities seem to need to be sustained and used independently and/or combo'ed depending on the objective and situation , it can switch at a moments notice which is why i think he didn't see Naruto behind him in this instance , why he didn't see jirobo behind him and why Kaguya didn't see Sakura but that ones a bit iffy.

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Yeah, I can agree on that. Neji needs to actually make an input to activate 360 vision.

I always assumed that it simply uses chakra to vitalize the body/feet so it can move a extreme distances very quickly and can be controlled for burst movements in a flash of speed without any steps , and/or used with the chakra focused at the feet for longer periods a sprinting variation where the user continues their running movement after shunshin burst , which is how i thought the Edo Kages got to the Battlefield and wat Sasuke/Naruto employed in this instance.

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Could be wrong about this but i always viewed shunshin as such and took wat happened against Neji to being him running towards Neji the following his run with a shunshin.

Nope. The bold is correct, the rest after that isn't. Shunshin is a burst. That is why it's called Shunshin. Shunshin literally means Teleportation. I already told you how it works. Chakra is focused to the feet and then it is released all at once to cause the user to explode off the ground. Shunshin and running are two completely different things. What they used to get the battlefield is running. Naruto and Sasuke ran at each other. Not sure how one can come to any other conclusion.

Lol Not tryna reach man , i got this analogy off of him being able to focus in on the tenketsu specifically and see the chakra flow to the feet like water.

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Even if he saw this in his first fight against Naruto he would still show a exclamation due to Naruto's new speed overall since determining that someone is about to shunshin doesn't determine their exact speed.

Agreed but more skill , relatively equal speed , superior Taijutsu flexibility , Taijutsu style and tight evasive agility does lead to better movements and the reason 3T Sasuke was able to read KN0 so easily was due to his linear attack patterns and zero skill in CQC forcing him to use speed/power alone.

No, it leads to better Taijutsu performance. Not better movements overall. The fastest characters in this Manga have the best movements yet their skill is inferior to certain people who aren't anywhere as fast. The reason why Sasuke was able to read KN0 so easily is because of his linear attack patterns. Nothing more. Skill doesn't translate to not having a linear attack pattern. Tsunade and B are skilled in Taijutsu yet they have linear attack patterns.

Lol Genius as in his tactical movements in tight Taijutsu combat which i was basically attributing with skill anyway, but i say this because of Sasuke's taijutsu tactics against Naruto's clones where he decided to hand stand two clones while surrounded by clones even tho he wasn't forced to which could've cost him the match if Naruto decided to dogpile him from all sides rather bring him air-born but thats irrelevant.

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Oh lmao. I was about to say. If you mean the same thing as skill then it's still irrelevant since skill isn't going to change his reaction speed as I've said above.

My bad , i just attributed power to Chakra but i guess he could've meant physical power. Have we ever gotten a explanation on 3T precog? because i always likened it to being due to its enhanced perception of everything evolving from 2T level which enabled 3T to do things like attempt to count the blades of a FRS and see subtle movement in chakra and the slightest movement to predict physical moves with linear attack patterns being the easiest it can read.

The only explanation we've gotten is the one in the panel I linked. I think I've seen the VIZ and there really isn't that much of a difference. You can try looking for it if you want but there's no real point in doing so. The way 3-Tomoe predicts movements is a new technique. 2-Tomoe can't predict anything. Observation and prediction are two completely different things. And it has nothing to do with chakra. Nothing supports that.

This is why i likened it to its increased perception making it able to count the individual blades from a FRS explosion so thats why i feel it was also able to track weapons with the same pace.

-I dont share feats bro just flowing with the discussion LOL.

Counting and predicting future movements aren't the same though.

Seeing the tenketsu and pathway is why i assumed it plausible and not knowing the enemies exact speed or where they will move even with this ability is why i assumed Neji showed exclamation.

The exclamation would be valid if he was too fast for Neji, but considering you say Neji should've seen him coming I don't see why he'd be surprised.

I'll just agree here even tho Lee was faster than Neji to a certain degree , his speed was not enough to beat Neji's Reaction but in KN0's case who is vastly above Neji's speed this does not correlate to him even tho Neji has vastly superior reactions and CQC know-how than both Sasuke/Naruto/Lee.
I do feel Neji could react and evade him but have no immediate notions of proof that come to mind without me going into walls of text about specifc CQC movements without having proof that its applicable against Naruto without using things like Chakra field to slow Naruto down in CQC to better react which wasn't the point of the thread , so i'll gladly concede here to wat i feel was a good match with me reaching my limit as to wat i can i cant prove in manga.

He doesn't. 5G Lee is far above Neji in any form of speed. So is KN0. VoTE Sasuke (3-Tomoe) is faster than Neji, (by a bit) and he has far better reactions as well due to his Sharingan. What feats support the bold?

I hope my above quote made clear wat i was saying since the bold was never my implication but i am however interested on exactly wat sasuke said and meant in that instance.

I think it's prety clear.

Dont judge a book by its cover man , i only kept coming due to bein unable to truly gauge Neji's reaction feats without having proof of it being applicable against KN0 or not , so after a time it felt like i was reaching rather than countering which concluded that it was time to concede to a good game than im not 100% sold on but can can have a satisfactory conclusion from a debate stand-point imo..

At least this debate reached an end. It should be pretty clear by now that Neji stands no chance, but at least you know when to call it quits unlike 99% of people on this site.

 

[neosmith500]

Aight.
Which means it wasn't at that exact moment shown in the panel after the exclamation point, but rather beforehand. I think we can both agree on that.

Yep , i'd put it exactly at the exclamation panel , long after the daggers were first initially shot and already breached his visual detection radius because it seems Kido launched his daggers simultaneously and calculated a perfect interval between the Giant spider falling on Neji and launching his dagger attack in unison .

Yeah, I can agree on that. Neji needs to actually make an input to activate 360 vision.

Easy way to explain the Kaguya situation right?

Nope. The bold is correct, the rest after that isn't. Shunshin is a burst. That is why it's called Shunshin. Shunshin literally means Teleportation. I already told you how it works. Chakra is focused to the feet and then it is released all at once to cause the user to explode off the ground. Shunshin and running are two completely different things. What they used to get the battlefield is running. Naruto and Sasuke ran at each other. Not sure how one can come to any other conclusion.

I see where ur coming from i always assumed that shunshin could be controlled for long distance travel by making each step a shunshin step since exploding off the ground does not mean they dont run.

-I took wat Naruto did against Neji as very similar to what P1 Sakura did here.

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He started Off running , taking only wat appears to be one step , then on the second step he shunshins towards Neji , then in wat appears to be 2 following steps after the launching step he already got to Neji. So it does seem to me that Naruto did use some form of shunshin here even if he started off by running.

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No, it leads to better Taijutsu performance. Not better movements overall. The fastest characters in this Manga have the best movements yet their skill is inferior to certain people who aren't anywhere as fast. The reason why Sasuke was able to read KN0 so easily is because of his linear attack patterns. Nothing more. Skill doesn't translate to not having a linear attack pattern. Tsunade and B are skilled in Taijutsu yet they have linear attack patterns.

I really need to starting wording better , by movements i meant performance and good point about B and tsunade but CES makes it so her Linear attack style is definition is softened and B only used a linear attack pattern when got rid of his style and went V1 where he now had ridiculous movement speed/power so thats also understandable in his case.

But pure skill , flexibility , acute perception , precision and style also play big roles alongside speed , as Lee noted was the problem he could not hit Kimi as apposed to how fast kimi was moving it was likened to his skill.

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In terms of pure skill and precision Neji was hyped a couple tiers higher than K11 by many elites and the Hokage who noted it understandable for him to be named the most gifted of his clan.

-His Flexibility was shown as the best in his performance against Naruto's clones and Kidomaru's dagger barrage reaction feats.

-His Taijutsu is hyped as the strongest and it is one of the most unorthodox in its movements , specifically aiming to use circular movements with every move they make , in perfect contrast to the strong fist style and its movements.

-In terms of speed Sasuke is slightly faster and has faster reaction to speedy Linear attacks due to 3T , but its the things i listed above is truly wat drives me to think Neji stands a chance here.

The only explanation we've gotten is the one in the panel I linked. I think I've seen the VIZ and there really isn't that much of a difference. You can try looking for it if you want but there's no real point in doing so. The way 3-Tomoe predicts movements is a new technique. 2-Tomoe can't predict anything. Observation and prediction are two completely different things. And it has nothing to do with chakra. Nothing supports that.

Ok , i have a hard time finding Viz scans , for a couple years i wanted to find out exactly wat tenten says about Kaiten being able to knock away the enemies Chakra since it was the only reference to that perk similarly to this case regarding 3T.

Counting and predicting future movements aren't the same though.

No but enhanced perception would be the reason why it does this on a completely different scale compared to 2T.

The exclamation would be valid if he was too fast for Neji, but considering you say Neji should've seen him coming I don't see why he'd be surprised.

I feel the exclamation is also valid from him not knowing the exact movement Naruto would do along with not knowing his exact speed , so thats why i think he'd be surprised.

-Just seems entirely plausible that they can see the chakra flowing through the pathways simultaneously activating activating the tenketsu in the legs since the chakra is flowed to them.

He doesn't. 5G Lee is far above Neji in any form of speed. So is KN0. VoTE Sasuke (3-Tomoe) is faster than Neji, (by a bit) and he has far better reactions as well due to his Sharingan. What feats support the bold?

This is true but i was talking about Unweighted Lee and anything bar Hidden lotus lee . Also my analogy on the bold is based on Neji's feats here.

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Being able to zig zag this many clones while using circular evasive movements without getting grabbed or touched then having to run straight through a convoluted and cramped space of clones without breaking running momentum all while not even touching a hair on a single clones body while passing inches between them

-Its also based on CE Prelims Neji being portrayed as having the precision , flexibility and reaction to deal with this level of speed in CQC without issue.

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-U already know that this is also based on his inch to inch evasion of kido's dagger/spider/web assaults in tight quarters , along with CE KN0 being portrayed as not wanting to openly challenge Neji with a forward shunshin from wat seems to ABOUT 4ft , but rather him electing to blitz to the side rather than in a Linear path to openly confront Neji IN CQC.

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-Sasuke does have better reaction to speedy linear attacks due to 3T but put him in a case where he has to fight off a bunch of Naruto clones surrounding him and it wont be long till he gets destroyed simply due to the numbers forcing his Los to get constantly shifted and the attacks from all sides surely overwhelming him easily.

-If we go by portrayal then CE KN0 Naruto would Blitz CE Sasuke without much reaction from 4ft paralleling VOTE , while CE Neji was portrayed at a level as being able to track and handle CE KN0 as far as speed is concerned , which would imply that CE Neji was above CE Sasuke in Physical reaction by a steady bit which makes sense since he was already above it even before the Preliminaries which would've only gotten better over time.

-Tho VOTE Sasuke gained a physical stat boost from his CM2 awakening ritual , his reaction speed would not evolve to the point where it was vastly above his 2T CE Variant to the point where he could blitz that incarnation or show much better reaction until he got 3T. So due to CE KN0 Vs Neji in CQC being inconclusive along with his reaction feats against Kido's barrages also being inconclusive , thats why i feel SRA Neji has a shot here.

At least this debate reached an end. It should be pretty clear by now that Neji stands no chance, but at least you know when to call it quits unlike 99% of people on this site.

Im not sold that Neji stands no chance honestly , but i do see ur points and acknowledge the situation im in regarding the proving of his ability to react but these final posts are basically the concluding few to seal it.

 

[KidGamer65]

Easy way to explain the Kaguya situation right?

There's really no way to explain that fully considering that she can also sense chakra and should've sensed Sakura coming. :lol

I see where ur coming from i always assumed that shunshin could be controlled for long distance travel by making each step a shunshin step since exploding off the ground does not mean they dont run.

-I took wat Naruto did against Neji as very similar to what P1 Sakura did here.

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He started Off running , taking only wat appears to be one step , then on the second step he shunshins towards Neji , then in wat appears to be 2 following steps after the launching step he already got to Neji. So it does seem to me that Naruto did use some form of shunshin here even if he started off by running.

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Lmao, why are you doing this? Literally nothing in these panels shows him Shunshin'ing towards Neji. Ever. He is shown running, and then Neji sees him running at him and then Neji spins and they meet each other and the big clash happens. No Shunshin is ever shown so you don't have an argument here. That panel shows Sakura running and then it shows her using Shunshin. Not comparable.

And lmao. Not sure how you can assume it can be controlled for long distance travel when literally nothing in this Manga supports that. Them exploding off the ground isn't them running. It's them doing just that. Exploding off the ground. There is a pretty obvious difference and I really don't want to have to continue this part of the argument when it's painfully obvious that no Shunshin was used here.

I get that you aren't sold on Neji standing no chance yet, but it doesn't mean that you continue to grasp at straws with argumentation like this.

I really need to starting wording better , by movements i meant performance and good point about B and tsunade but CES makes it so her Linear attack style is definition is softened and B only used a linear attack pattern when got rid of his style and went V1 where he now had ridiculous movement speed/power so thats also understandable in his case.

But pure skill , flexibility , acute perception , precision and style also play big roles alongside speed , as Lee noted was the problem he could not hit Kimi as apposed to how fast kimi was moving it was likened to his skill.

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Yet speed is still the determining factor. If Kimimaro wasn't fast enough he wouldn't be dodging Lee no matter how skilled he was. Does all that play a role? Yes, but speed is obviously the most important factor.

In terms of pure skill and precision Neji was hyped a couple tiers higher than K11 by many elites and the Hokage who noted it understandable for him to be named the most gifted of his clan.

True.

-His Flexibility was shown as the best in his performance against Naruto's clones and Kidomaru's dagger barrage reaction feats.

-His Taijutsu is hyped as the strongest and it is one of the most unorthodox in its movements , specifically aiming to use circular movements with every move they make , in perfect contrast to the strong fist style and its movements.

-In terms of speed Sasuke is slightly faster and has faster reaction to speedy Linear attacks due to 3T , but its the things i listed above is truly wat drives me to think Neji stands a chance here.

@bold: Then you don't have an argument. Because none of that is evidence. Kidomaru's daggers has been addressed too many times for me to do it again, and the rest is you literally just listing his abilities and the fact his Taijutsu was hyped as the strongest..which would be evidence if Taijutsu style is all that mattered, and if that statement took into account his opponent here. :lol

No, Sasuke has faster reaction to attacks period. Not just speedy linear attacks. Sharingan increases reaction speed against ALL incoming stimuli. Linear attacks are just easier to predict.

Ok , i have a hard time finding Viz scans , for a couple years i wanted to find out exactly wat tenten says about Kaiten being able to knock away the enemies Chakra since it was the only reference to that perk similarly to this case regarding 3T.

Yeah, too time consuming to bother with them when most of the time the meaning is the same.

No but enhanced perception would be the reason why it does this on a completely different scale compared to 2T.

Enhancements of what's already there wouldn't create a new ability entirely. It doesn't do this on a different scale than 2T when 2T doesn't do this at all.

I feel the exclamation is also valid from him not knowing the exact movement Naruto would do along with not knowing his exact speed , so thats why i think he'd be surprised.

Exact movement? Shunshin is pretty straightforward. If he knew Naruto was coming he wouldn't be surprised like that.

-Just seems entirely plausible that they can see the chakra flowing through the pathways simultaneously activating activating the tenketsu in the legs since the chakra is flowed to them.

Yet the Manga doesn't support it. Yet every fight every Byakugan/Sharingan/Rinnegan user has ever had doesn't support it. Once again, the only jutsu that ever been predicted like this are jutsu that build up a lot of chakra. Nothing more you can say on this point when the Manga doesn't support your arguments.

This is true but i was talking about Unweighted Lee and anything bar Hidden lotus lee . Also my analogy on the bold is based on Neji's feats here.

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Dodging Naruto's clones? That makes him faster than Lee? Lmao Wasn't Unweighted Lee outspeeding Gaara's Sand? Cause that's a better feat than dodging Naruto's fodder clones.

Being able to zig zag this many clones while using circular evasive movements without getting grabbed or touched then having to run straight through a convoluted and cramped space of clones without breaking running momentum all while not even touching a hair on a single clones body while passing inches between them

All of this is fluff for your argument, something you seem to be fond of doing. If you're argument was strong enough with just the panel you wouldn't need to fluff it with an unnecessary detailed explanation of what exactly Neji did. That's what people do when they feel the feat alone isn't enough.

-Its also based on CE Prelims Neji being portrayed as having the precision , flexibility and reaction to deal with this level of speed in CQC without issue.

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Where was this portrayed? Lol. I think it was portrayed that Neji was stronger than this Lee still, not that Neji was faster than him. Having the reaction to defeat Lee doesn't make him faster than Lee in any way, shape or form.

-U already know that this is also based on his inch to inch evasion of kido's dagger/spider/web assaults in tight quarters , along with CE KN0 being portrayed as not wanting to openly challenge Neji with a forward shunshin from wat seems to ABOUT 4ft , but rather him electing to blitz to the side rather than in a Linear path to openly confront Neji IN CQC.

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So basically nothing, because I've addressed the bold far too many times for you to continue using this ridiculous argument. And the stuff that follows this argument is even more ridiculous. You are starting to make zero sense here. :lol Dafuq? How does Naruto attacking like he did mean that Neji is faster than him? (All of this is reaction wise btw) It means that Neji can react to him. Learn the difference please. What's hilarious about this argument is that you are actually sitting here telling me that Neji is faster than KN0 based on this when Neji was shown to have issues with his speed. And the fact you said "vastly superior reactions" makes this entire section crazy.

Not to mention Naruto charged him in the end anyway, meaning he was ready to take on Neji in close combat.

-Sasuke does have better reaction to speedy linear attacks due to 3T but put him in a case where he has to fight off a bunch of Naruto clones surrounding him and it wont be long till he gets destroyed simply due to the numbers forcing his Los to get constantly shifted and the attacks from all sides surely overwhelming him easily.

Based on literally nothing. Lmao.

-If we go by portrayal then CE KN0 Naruto would Blitz CE Sasuke without much reaction from 4ft paralleling VOTE , while CE Neji was portrayed at a level as being able to track and handle CE KN0 as far as speed is concerned , which would imply that CE Neji was above CE Sasuke in Physical reaction by a steady bit which makes sense since he was already above it even before the Preliminaries which would've only gotten better over time.

No, he wasn't portrayed at anything. That's you grasping for straws and reaching yet again. This is why people shouldn't try using portrayal arguments. 99% of the time they use them wrong. Even if this portrayal argument made sense, that was KN0 Naruto against a Neji who had access to all his jutsu, not a Neji who was restricted to everything but hand to hand. What's worse is that you are equating tracking and being able to react to KN0's speed to Neji being faster than him in terms of reactions. Makes zero sense. Ay can't pressure certain people with speed yet he's obviously faster than him. Never should've tried using this point. :lol

KN0 Naruto didn't blitz Sasuke at VoTE. KN0 Naruto attacked Sasuke and Sasuke blocked, he was just overwhelmed by the strength of Naruto's attack. Already posted a scan. So this entire comparison falls apart there since you don't have evidence of the following:

-That Neji can react any better than Sasuke did from that same distance.
-That the difference between CE Sasuke and VoTE Sasuke w/ 2-Tomoe is the same as the difference in speed and strength as CE KN0 and VoTE KN0.

-Tho VOTE Sasuke gained a physical stat boost from his CM2 awakening ritual , his reaction speed would not evolve to the point where it was vastly above his 2T CE Variant to the point where he could blitz that incarnation or show much better reaction until he got 3T. So due to CE KN0 Vs Neji in CQC being inconclusive along with his reaction feats against Kido's barrages also being inconclusive , thats why i feel SRA Neji has a shot here.

CE KN0 vs. Neji in CQC isn't inconclusive. Naruto easily has the upper hand as he is far faster and far stronger than Neji.

Im not sold that Neji stands no chance honestly , but i do see ur points and acknowledge the situation im in regarding the proving of his ability to react but these final posts are basically the concluding few to seal it.

Can't imagine how you aren't when you aren't putting up valid arguments at this point.

-No evidence that he can dodge KN0's attacks. It took Sasuke 3-Tomoe Sharingan to do that.

That right there is what your entire argument hinges on. Since you can't prove that, Neji can't win since he'll get pummeled into the ground the moment he tries to block Naruto's attack considering the massive difference in strength, just like Sasuke was. This argument really ended the moment you couldn't prove that. Nothing we are even arguing about at this point matters as everything that does matter is something you've been proven wrong on. Stuff that it's so painfully obvious how wrong you are.

-Naruto using Shunshin against Neji.
-Neji having better reactions than Lee, Naruto and Sasuke.

 

[SasoriOfTheRedSaand]

Naruto runs him over. Far too much speed and power.

 

[neosmith500]

Can't imagine how you aren't when you aren't putting up valid arguments at this point.

-No evidence that he can dodge KN0's attacks. It took Sasuke 3-Tomoe Sharingan to do that.

That right there is what your entire argument hinges on. Since you can't prove that, Neji can't win since he'll get pummeled into the ground the moment he tries to block Naruto's attack considering the massive difference in strength, just like Sasuke was. This argument really ended the moment you couldn't prove that. Nothing we are even arguing about at this point matters as everything that does matter is something you've been proven wrong on. Stuff that it's so painfully obvious how wrong you are.

-Naruto using Shunshin against Neji.
-Neji having better reactions than Lee, Naruto and Sasuke.

Yea man this is why i said these posts would seal it since i acknowledged the position im in regarding specific proof that he can keep up with that specific Naruto , there are a few things in ur posts i wanted to touch on that i feel u misunderstood by wording , but none which would utimately help my arguement regarding proof of his ability to keep up , so yea here its sealed and good game man.

 

[makosheva7]

Naruto wins mid-high diff with these conditions.