Well, Haku is very much underrated, but that's beyond the topic.
The two situations are different here though. In one of them, Neji has one major advantage, that being that he can very clearly see where every single projectile is coming at a distance, giving him more time to react, even if he's still forced to do so at a moment's notice. The same speed perception that allowed him to identify where Naruto would land helps him a lot here.
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However, on the other case, Naruto is constantly moving all around him. He is not approaching from a distance like the projectiles in the previous panel, and unlike them, can change his movements as he wishes, unlike the projectiles being shot at Neji. Its much harder for Neji to pinpoint where and when he'll strike due to that.
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My argument is thus that the same ability that allowed Neji to predict where those kunai were coming from at a distance wouldn't help him predict Naruto's movement were he in a situation like the one Sasuke was in, as shown above, making it that much harder for him to dodge those blows.
You do realize that Byakugan has a 360 degree field of vision right? According to that scan he would be in Neji's field of vision which would allow Neji to try and counter his attacks. Sasuke has 2-TM, but can not see in the back of his head like Neji can. Noted by both Naruto and Kidomaru. Naruto's attack would be more effective he if would move outside of Neji's field of range and THEN try to launch an assualt,instead of staying in it.
You do realize that Byakugan has a 360 degree field of vision right? According to that scan he would be in Neji's field of vision which would allow Neji to try and counter his attacks. Sasuke has 2-TM, but can not see in the back of his head like Neji can. Noted by both Naruto and Kidomaru. Naruto's attack would be more effective he if would move outside of Neji's field of range and THEN try to launch an assualt,instead of staying in it.
Well just in case u think Haku would have any chance of blitzing even Forest of Death Neji , he wouldn't even have half a chance even if he attacked back to back.
The two situations are different here though. In one of them, Neji has one major advantage, that being that he can very clearly see where every single projectile is coming at a distance, giving him more time to react, even if he's still forced to do so at a moment's notice. The same speed perception that allowed him to identify where Naruto would land helps him a lot here.
Seeing them coming all at once in waves is one thing , but reacting to them point-blank is another thing completly , especially when considering the spiders and webs that also needed to be dealt with simultaneously.
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The sheer amount of attacks coming simultaneously in waves would give Neji less time to react , so him seeing the daggers coming beforehand is irrelevant to him actually reacting to them as it takes extreme reaction and reflex to pull such evasive feats point-blank.
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However, on the other case, Naruto is constantly moving all around him. He is not approaching from a distance like the projectiles in the previous panel , and unlike them, can change his movements as he wishes, unlike the projectiles being shot at Neji. Its much harder for Neji to pinpoint where and when he'll strike due to that.
Constantly moving around him wont do much , Naruto only has his fists and feet to attack with unlike the numerous waves of daggers attacking from all angles which had numerous almost simultaneous points of attack , giving Neji only a hairs width interval in-between to dodge and he did so easily , the sheer number of daggers coming in simultaneously with Neji confined to one spot puts his reflex/reaction timing at a very high tier and the sheer numer of projectiles simulatneously attacking Neji makes ur point about Naruto bein able to change his movements lose substance.
Naruto only has one attack per dash if he chooses to blitz and his Taijutsu skill is inferior , with Byakugan Neji can track his movements and tell where Naruto is focusing his Chakra along with accurately mapping his body movements with insight , then when used in conjuction with his raw reaction he should be capable of evading Naruto's taijutsu much better than 2T Sasuke , who despite not being able fully catch Naruto's movements was still able to track him with 2T.
So my point is , with The Byakugan Neji can pinpoint where and when he'll strike and with extreme reactions he can evade the strikes.
My argument is thus that the same ability that allowed Neji to predict where those kunai were coming from at a distance wouldn't help him predict Naruto's movement were he in a situation like the one Sasuke was in, as shown above, making it that much harder for him to dodge those blows.
She was fooled along with Neji into thinking Naruto was knocked out , so to her , it looked like Naruto sustained more damage.
Its repels Chakra , based on visual representation the Chakra was reflected/removed by Kaiten's ability to negate raw chakra and this ability is different from Kaiten's standard ability to deflect with spinning force as it was mentioned as a later attribute of the "Technique".
Which is exactly my point , His chakra became a shield in which he then used ram into Neji's dome of chakra , which then got reflected back towards Naruto's direction.
Ur trying to count the steps of a shunshin blitz? ur only helping my point lol.
That goes against the direction kishi illustrated to us , if the Cloak went back to normal size before the clash , why would kishi clearly draw to us Kurama's Chakra clashing with and getting reflected by Kaiten???
What exatcly do u think clashed with Kaiten before Naruto threw his punch???
Look closely at Naruto's foot , a pale represnation showing us that chakra is surrounding Both Neji and Naruto was given , especially when considering the gaps in Neji's kaiten and knowing that it isn't hollow.
Back in the War Arc Kakashi and Gai were able to Have a full convo after the V2 jins already shunshined towards them and were already no less than 3feet away from them. Kurama's Chakra ramming into Kaiten is wat created the explosion.
He tried to Blitz Neji , we cant tell wat Naruto was think and i dont see how thats relevant to wat happend.
The second crater was caused by Kurama's chakra getting reflected by Kaiten and it can be argued really , because numerous things cement the notion.
Repel is a usable word , but its obviously a jyuken ability attribute to Kaiten by kishi , different than its standard ability to deflect by spinning.
Kaiten still made of jyuken Chakra only it isn't forced into the Chakra system like jyuken , but still has a effect on Raw Chakra outside the body nonetheless.
Simply due to it getting reflected , now how does this correlate with KN0 Red eyes Naruto who had no such perks when he fought 3T Sasuke and was noticably restricted from using his Chakra Roars after 3T was unlocked?
Hmm...well like I've said I'm not entirely convinced on your description of what Kaiten did there.
Even if Kaiten had the ability to destroy chakra, it doesn't explain why Naruto ran out of Kurama chakra at the end of that clash..Kaiten could have destroyed the cloak..but what about the kurama chakra that was inside Naruto?
Naruto's intention was to get in close combat with Neji not Kaiten and even Neji didn't intend to use Kaiten until close to the end and I don't believe Naruto intended to use the cloak to taijutsu with Neji?
However, I don't believe the cloak clashed with Kaiten(because of the cloak still enveloping Naruto) and I have no idea what did then and because of this, I concede here ^-^
Naruto already beat him lmao. Clones may be restricted, but Neji doesn't have Kaiten or 64 palms. He can react to Naruto's speed but there's no way in hell he's keeping up, and he's not overwhelming him in close combat either.
If he can react to Naruto's speed then doesn't that make it possible for him to react by utilizing the rotational motions of his fighting style focused on flexible movement aimed at altering the momentum of Naruto's punches in conjuction with his stability so as to put him off balance and leave a small opening when he first attacks?
This is in part due to the fact that imo Neji carries himself more skillfully in CQC than Sasuke and has shown a higher level of flexibilty in extremely tight quarters and a high level of precision with his movements.
Im glad to see u post btw , i noticed u dont come here that much these days and i for one deeply miss the logic and the input u bring to the table.
Well just in case u think Haku would have any chance of blitzing even Forest of Death Neji , he wouldn't even have half a chance even if he attacked back to back.
Seeing them coming all at once in waves is one thing , but reacting to them point-blank is another thing completly , especially when considering the spiders and webs that also needed to be dealt with simultaneously.
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The sheer amount of attacks coming simultaneously in waves would give Neji less time to react , so him seeing the daggers coming beforehand is irrelevant to him actually reacting to them as it takes extreme reaction and reflex to pull such evasive feats point-blank.
Constantly moving around him wont do much , Naruto only has his fists and feet to attack with unlike the numerous waves of daggers attacking from all angles which had numerous almost simultaneous points of attack , giving Neji only a hairs width interval in-between to dodge and he did so easily , the sheer number of daggers coming in simultaneously with Neji confined to one spot puts his reflex/reaction timing at a very high tier and the sheer numer of projectiles simulatneously attacking Neji makes ur point about Naruto bein able to change his movements lose substance.
Naruto only has one attack per dash if he chooses to blitz and his Taijutsu skill is inferior , with Byakugan Neji can track his movements and tell where Naruto is focusing his Chakra along with accurately mapping his body movements with insight , then when used in conjuction with his raw reaction he should be capable of evading Naruto's taijutsu much better than 2T Sasuke , who despite not being able fully catch Naruto's movements was still able to track him with 2T.
So my point is , with The Byakugan Neji can pinpoint where and when he'll strike and with extreme reactions he can evade the strikes.
This all however only works under the thought that Neji CAN see him coming. However, as shown in the scan, Sasuke himself was shown to have trouble seeing where Naruto was coming from while he was slowed down by water. And he had the Sharingan, a tool far more effective with tracking down a speedster than any other eye. The fact is that Neji is able to see things moving at his direction from a distance because he can see what's going on at a distance and thus he can see it approaching him. However, in this case, we have Naruto constantly circling him at a close range, landing blows here and there.
The Byakugan just lacks the speed perception feats at this level to make Neji constantly avoiding Naruto's blows a viable option. I reread the Kimimaro fight abd I have to disagree with you when you say him seeing the daggers coming beforehand is irrelevant. I can see Neji reacting to almost anything he sees coming, but in this case, I really doubt he'd see it at all.
This all however only works under the thought that Neji CAN see him coming. However, as shown in the scan, Sasuke himself was shown to have trouble seeing where Naruto was coming from while he was slowed down by water. And he had the Sharingan, a tool far more effective with tracking down a speedster than any other eye. The fact is that Neji is able to see things moving at his direction from a distance because he can see what's going on at a distance and thus he can see it approaching him. However, in this case, we have Naruto constantly circling him at a close range, landing blows here and there.
Actually Sasuke did in fact see where Naruto was coming from , his reaction was also hindered due to Naruto blasting him down with a chakra roar. As u said the sharingan is only a tool , people without Sharingan can still react better than somone with one if they have enough body speed , skill , precision and ability to carry themself well in taijutsu by making smart decisions while in tight quarters , in which case a Taijutsu specialist like Neji excels beyond 2T Sasuke by feats.
The Byakugan would track Naruto nigh instantly within his 50m radius the same way he activated it to track Gated Lee , the question is if Neji can physically react in time , and based on his feat of physically reacting to a bombardment of daggers/spider/webs at point-blank range while confined to a single spot , i think its plausible he can react much better than 2T Sasuke did.
The Byakugan just lacks the speed perception feats at this level to make Neji constantly avoiding Naruto's blows a viable option. I reread the Kimimaro fight abd I have to disagree with you when you say him seeing the daggers coming beforehand is irrelevant. I can see Neji reacting to almost anything he sees coming, but in this case, I really doubt he'd see it at all.
Neji's fighting style incorperates taijutsu that aims to alter the momentum of physical attacks and use it against the enemy to alter their stability and balance using their momentum against them , Neji wont need to constantly avoid him if he can react to his initial blitz and incorperate his style.
-I said Neji seeing the daggers coming from all angles in waves is irrelevant to him reacting to them at point-blank since it would take extremely precise and flexible movement to do so.
If he can react to Naruto's speed then doesn't that make it possible for him to react by utilizing the rotational motions of his fighting style focused on flexible movement aimed at altering the momentum of Naruto's punches in conjuction with his stability so as to put him off balance and leave a small opening when he first attacks?
This is in part due to the fact that imo Neji carries himself more skillfully in CQC than Sasuke and has shown a higher level of flexibilty in extremely tight quarters and a high level of precision with his movements.
Im glad to see u post btw , i noticed u dont come here that much these days and i for one deeply miss the logic and the input u bring to the table.
No. Last time he needed Kaiten to stop Naruto's charge, even though he wasn't able to spin at full power. Kaiten is restricted here, so doing something inferior to it in pretty much every way as a manuever isn't gonna help him here. Not even sure how he'd able to alter the trajectory or momentum of his punches. He may be more skilled but Naruto is far faster and far stronger than Neji is. What you are saying might've been possible had Neji at least had some sort of speed advantage, but he loses in every category of speed.
And thanks man. NB is pretty dead tho so i'll probably vanish again soon. Lmao
No. Last time he needed Kaiten to stop Naruto's charge, even though he wasn't able to spin at full power. Kaiten is restricted here, so doing something inferior to it in pretty much every way as a manuever isn't gonna help him here.
Last time Naruto's charge was aided by Kurama's chakra which subsequently expanded and clashed with Neji's Kaiten , somthing he lacks in this form so Naruto is resticted to normal Taijutsu with normal physical reach and also lacks his chakra roars and extensions.
Not even sure how he'd able to alter the trajectory or momentum of his punches. He may be more skilled but Naruto is far faster and far stronger than Neji is. What you are saying might've been possible had Neji at least had some sort of speed advantage, but he loses in every category of speed.
His fighting style is geared towards deflecting momentum and using it against the attacker. Naruto is much faster in movement which puts Neji on defense , but his quick physical reflexes and flexibility should be superior when mixed with the unorthodox and rotational movements incorperated with jyuken + his raw skill and elite precision , this would likely give Naruto alot of trouble when trying to hit him and then by redirecting/deflecting the force of any physical attack Naruto throws , he gets a small opening to simultaneously block tenketsu and hinder him greatly.
One of the most important elements in a physical confrontation is to define the range your enemy is attacking from. With this knowledge aided by Byakugan the most appropriate/effective self defense measure can be put into place before Naruto has even launched a successful physical attack, this is done by moving in fluid circular motions.
A circular pattern of movement enables Neji to likely remove himself from the path of Naruto's attack, then deflect , intercept , and finally disable him from possessing the ability to attempt to injure him any further. This strategy of defense is accomplished by the Hyuga's training their body to move in fluid circular motion, following the path of least resistance. This defensive ideology thereby allows them to immediately follow one evasive defensive technique with another and so on until the opponent is completely disabled , here are a few examples of the Rotaional style mixed with interception , force deflection , balance alteration , evasion and accurate mapping of attack distance.
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Naruto is much mush faster in movement speed and his physical power means that his linear attacks would be very powerful/forceful due to their forward driving nature , Neji's fighting style uses blocking techniques used in accordance with removing himself from the path of the opponent’s attack. With this, he can possibly have control over the confrontation if successful since it leaves Naruto unable to unleash a secondary attack on him straight away due to the fact that by deflecting Naruto's physical attack , his arm would be left in place, thus Neji holding his striking arm in place can instigate additional defensive techniques and simultaneously launch further self defense counter measures at the point where Naruto’s attack was reacted to and has been deflected. This is due to the fact that in this rapidly fleeting moment, Naruto is most vulnerable as his balance is somewhat altered and his mind is recalculating what physical move to make next , making this the ideal opportunity for Neji to launch a counter attack ?
Actually Sasuke did in fact see where Naruto was coming from , his reaction was also hindered due to Naruto blasting him down with a chakra roar. As u said the sharingan is only a tool , people without Sharingan can still react better than somone with one if they have enough body speed , skill , precision and ability to carry themself well in taijutsu by making smart decisions while in tight quarters , in which case a Taijutsu specialist like Neji excels beyond 2T Sasuke by feats.
The Byakugan would track Naruto nigh instantly within his 50m radius the same way he activated it to track Gated Lee , the question is if Neji can physically react in time , and based on his feat of physically reacting to a bombardment of daggers/spider/webs at point-blank range while confined to a single spot , i think its plausible he can react much better than 2T Sasuke did.
Neji's fighting style incorperates taijutsu that aims to alter the momentum of physical attacks and use it against the enemy to alter their stability and balance using their momentum against them , Neji wont need to constantly avoid him if he can react to his initial blitz and incorperate his style.
-I said Neji seeing the daggers coming from all angles in waves is irrelevant to him reacting to them at point-blank since it would take extremely precise and flexible movement to do so.
Like I said, this all happened underwater, slowing down Naruto's movements. Sasuke was also hardly following Naruto at this point, as even he admitted to Naruto's speed. There is no feat that shows the Byakugan can track this level of speed at this distance, as Neji used his Byakugan to try and track Lee, but nothing really shows how well he was able to do so, while Lee himself was fairly distant from him. And even if he were to try and react to dodge, its the only thing he can do. Naruto far outspeeds him, so catching up is impossible. Tracking him in and of itself is debatable. Blocking, as already shown by Sasuke, doesn't work.
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As for him dodging and switching Naruto's balance...well, how? That would involve him catching Naruto in the middle of constant movement somewhere in here.
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He would be busy enough dodging, how would countering this even be possible?
Like I said, this all happened underwater, slowing down Naruto's movements. Sasuke was also hardly following Naruto at this point, as even he admitted to Naruto's speed. There is no feat that shows the Byakugan can track this level of speed at this distance, as Neji used his Byakugan to try and track Lee, but nothing really shows how well he was able to do so, while Lee himself was fairly distant from him.
This also happend after Naruto blasted Sasuke down into the water with a Chakra Roar strong enough to disperse his Katon , followed by the Blitz , which would logically hinder reaction timing while Naruto was already vitalizing his body with Chakra to move at extreme speeds simultaneously.
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The Byakugan would instantly track the speed leaving it up to Neji's own physical reaction , and as i told u before the Sharingan/Byakugan are only tools , a Ninja with normal eyes and great reaction , reflex , body speed , flexible movement and skill can still track Naruto's speed better than 2T Sasuke if they have enough skill and can handle themself better than him in CQC , and Neji has proven that his tight reaction timing , distance definement and taijutsu movements are much superior to that of Sasuke's , not to the level of Kimimaro , but superior to 2T Sasuke all the same.
And even if he were to try and react to dodge, its the only thing he can do. Naruto far outspeeds him, so catching up is impossible. Tracking him in and of itself is debatable. Blocking, as already shown by Sasuke, doesn't work.
Neji's whole Taijutsu style and movement is much different than Lee/Sasuke's , it uses a cicular style and a pattern of movement. This style pratices deflection with simultaneous evasion , removing yourself from the path of an opponent’s attack while simulatneously deflecting and intercepting it , accomplished by moving in a fluid circular motion, following the path of least resistance allowing Neji to immediately follow one defensive technique with another and another until the opponent is completely disabled.
Sasuke's method of physical defensive technique cant be compared to Neji's as its like comparing oil and water , so showing him bein able to react to Naruto at about 4 feet only helps my point , by raw feats Neji's much more reflexive and his byakugan would make him accurately define distance which is pivotal in any confrontation and it also allows him to predict when Naruto is about to shunshin along with him being able to always keep Naruto is his Los unlike Sasuke.
As for him dodging and switching Naruto's balance...well, how? That would involve him catching Naruto in the middle of constant movement somewhere in here.
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He would be busy enough dodging, how would countering this even be possible?
No . It would involve him catching Naruto in the middle of a single movement like Sasuke's block but as noted Neji's uses a much different style which focuses on simultaneous deflection with evasion and his flexibility , skill and reflex timing has been shown way beyond that of 2T Sasuke so he should easily react better at the same distance by using the basis of turning ones power against them.
Last time Naruto's charge was aided by Kurama's chakra which subsequently expanded and clashed with Neji's Kaiten , somthing he lacks in this form so Naruto is resticted to normal Taijutsu with normal physical reach and also lacks his chakra roars and extensions.
Huh? That's all powers of KN0. That's just his chakra becoming visible because of his power. Unless his power decreased from the Neji fight to VoTE 1 then there's no reason why he can't manifest his chakra like that based on the restrictions I'm seeing in OP. Not to mention that doesn't even matter here. Neji can't use any form of Kaiten, so Naruto not being able to manifest that chakra assuming it actually powered him up (which doesn't really make sense since it's not a solidified cloak nor is there evidence it powered him up and his feats in VoTE 1 surpass that) doesn't matter since he won't need that level of power.
His fighting style is geared towards deflecting momentum and using it against the attacker. Naruto is much faster in movement which puts Neji on defense , but his quick physical reflexes and flexibility should be superior when mixed with the unorthodox and rotational movements incorperated with jyuken + his raw skill and elite precision , this would likely give Naruto alot of trouble when trying to hit him and then by redirecting/deflecting the force of any physical attack Naruto throws , he gets a small opening to simultaneously block tenketsu and hinder him greatly.
You're telling me how Neji's fighting style works, but you aren't proving that he has the physical ability to actually apply this against Naruto here. So there's nothing to really address here yet. There is no evidence in the Manga that Neji even matches KN0's reflexes let alone surpasses them. If he tried Rotation against KN0 and still failed, whatever you are suggest he does here obviously isn't going to work.
One of the most important elements in a physical confrontation is to define the range your enemy is attacking from. With this knowledge aided by Byakugan the most appropriate/effective self defense measure can be put into place before Naruto has even launched a successful physical attack, this is done by moving in fluid circular motions.
Literally the same kind of response as above. It's all theoretical with no proof he has the physical ability to apply it.
A circular pattern of movement enables Neji to likely remove himself from the path of Naruto's attack, then deflect , intercept , and finally disable him from possessing the ability to attempt to injure him any further. This strategy of defense is accomplished by the Hyuga's training their body to move in fluid circular motion, following the path of least resistance. This defensive ideology thereby allows them to immediately follow one evasive defensive technique with another and so on until the opponent is completely disabled , here are a few examples of the Rotaional style mixed with interception , force deflection , balance alteration , evasion and accurate mapping of attack distance.
Same as above. I know how Neji's fighting style works. What you need to show is that Neji can actually pull this off against Naruto. I could substitute Madara for Naruto here and then you'd realize that this method of argumentation doesn't work since there's no way you can show that Neji has the physical ability to make his fighting style matter against Madara.
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Naruto is much mush faster in movement speed and his physical power means that his linear attacks would be very powerful/forceful due to their forward driving nature , Neji's fighting style uses blocking techniques used in accordance with removing himself from the path of the opponent’s attack. With this, he can possibly have control over the confrontation if successful since it leaves Naruto unable to unleash a secondary attack on him straight away due to the fact that by deflecting Naruto's physical attack , his arm would be left in place, thus Neji holding his striking arm in place can instigate additional defensive techniques and simultaneously launch further self defense counter measures at the point where Naruto’s attack was reacted to and has been deflected. This is due to the fact that in this rapidly fleeting moment, Naruto is most vulnerable as his balance is somewhat altered and his mind is recalculating what physical move to make next , making this the ideal opportunity for Neji to launch a counter attack
Do you know why Neji was able to pull all that off against his opponents in those panels and pics you linked? Because he was either faster, stronger, or just as strong as that person. Or the gap between their physical abilities wasn't large enough, allowing his fighting style easily close the gap. That isn't evidence he can do the same thing against someone much faster and much stronger. You are telling me "Neji can do this, and then this will happen" but you aren't proving that Neji has the capability to do it again. Like I said above, if I was to use your argument and assume that it was valid and 100% foolproof, I could say Neji would defeat Madara in Taijutsu, but we all know that's false.
The first thing you need to do is prove that Neji's reflexes and reaction speed are good enough to let him outmaneuver Naruto like this in the first place, but considering he had trouble against Naruto and needed Rotation to block him instead of simply doing what he did in all these panels you listed to stop him....I can guarantee you that he can't do whatever you are saying. Not against KN0.
Lol its seen better daysxd , the VS section is literally the equivalent of wat Kaguya current situation lol.
Do u think Chakra roar would've been enough to turn the tide against 3T Sasuke with smart use?
But nah. The roar would've blown him back at the very most, assuming he didn't dodge it. Then Sasuke would get up and continue to beat the tar out of Naruto.
Huh? That's all powers of KN0. That's just his chakra becoming visible because of his power. Unless his power decreased from the Neji fight to VoTE 1 then there's no reason why he can't manifest his chakra like that based on the restrictions I'm seeing in OP.
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Thats true especially when considering he did the first stage here.
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But i knew this and wanted it to be considered as KN0 as he was Vs 3T with strict Taijutsu which is why i also got rid of Kaiten, but maybe i should've just named it that lol.XD
Not to mention that doesn't even matter here. Neji can't use any form of Kaiten, so Naruto not being able to manifest that chakra assuming it actually powered him up (which doesn't really make sense since it's not a solidified cloak nor is there evidence it powered him up and his feats in VoTE 1 surpass that) doesn't matter since he won't need that level of power.
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If the Chakra didn't become solidfied then how did it physically clash with the force of Neji's Kaiten after bein Outspread widely in the earlier panel?
Do you know why Neji was able to pull all that off against his opponents in those panels and pics you linked? Because he was either faster, stronger, or just as strong as that person. Or the gap between their physical abilities wasn't large enough, allowing his fighting style easily close the gap. That isn't evidence he can do the same thing against someone much faster and much stronger. You are telling me "Neji can do this, and then this will happen" but you aren't proving that Neji has the capability to do it again. Like I said above, if I was to use your argument and assume that it was valid and 100% foolproof, I could say Neji would defeat Madara in Taijutsu, but we all know that's false.
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This is true but i only went into detail about the cicular pattern in order to show u exatly wat i meant by it , without trying to use such feats to justify him doing the same to Naruto because of them.
The first thing you need to do is prove that Neji's reflexes and reaction speed are good enough to let him outmaneuver Naruto like this in the first place, but considering he had trouble against Naruto and needed Rotation to block him instead of simply doing what he did in all these panels you listed to stop him....I can guarantee you that he can't do whatever you are saying. Not against KN0.
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My reasoning for why i think Neji can react is heavily based on his Kido performance. How much time do think Neji needed per dodge to avoid kido's daggers point blank when considering the velocity , distance from Neji , sheer number , simultaneous angle of attack and how closely they were clustered together in waves?
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How many dodges do u think he did in that time frame? would love ur opinion in trying to evaluate these feats , partly why i made the thread so im glad ur here.
-Another thing i want to add is that replicating such feats against KN0's Chakra charge would have been impossible due to the expanded Chakra surrounding Naruto's entire Body , bottom left panel.
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Neji then noticed this and went for Kaiten , so i dont see how Neji could've even began to physically deal with such a attack covering such wide space due to the expanded Chakra , without expelling his own Chakra defense in response to meet it , if u exclude Kaiten from the picture Neji would have no chance of physically evading the Chakra coming to him which was in front of Naruto , so no way could he even attempt to use evasive Taijutsu in that specific scenario , but we do kno he could phyically react in time to start spinning before Naruto threw his punch.
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This is also evidenced by the fact that Neji had no problem physically clashing with Kn0 before without getting easily overwhelmed , as would've been the case if Naruto had expanded his Chakra similar to his clash with Kaiten later , it also seemed that the random expansion of Chakra is wat promted Neji to use Kaiten more than anything.
But nah. The roar would've blown him back at the very most, assuming he didn't dodge it. Then Sasuke would get up and continue to beat the tar out of Naruto.
The roar can happen very quickly , not to mention its range along with its power which was enough to disperse katon and simultaneously injure Sasuke to the point he spat blood but yea Naruto would have to spam it along with probably using with a few clones since his speed gave him the manoeuvrability advantage over Sasuke.
This also happend after Naruto blasted Sasuke down into the water with a Chakra Roar strong enough to disperse his Katon , followed by the Blitz , which would logically hinder reaction timing while Naruto was already vitalizing his body with Chakra to move at extreme speeds simultaneously.
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The Byakugan would instantly track the speed leaving it up to Neji's own physical reaction , and as i told u before the Sharingan/Byakugan are only tools , a Ninja with normal eyes and great reaction , reflex , body speed , flexible movement and skill can still track Naruto's speed better than 2T Sasuke if they have enough skill and can handle themself better than him in CQC , and Neji has proven that his tight reaction timing , distance definement and taijutsu movements are much superior to that of Sasuke's , not to the level of Kimimaro , but superior to 2T Sasuke all the same.
Sasuke still acknowledged he was fast. "Too fast", according to the statement he never completed, implying Naruto was too fast for him to properly react to, as shown by him being forced to react to the first blow. But I digress. Even if Sasuke were in top shape, I doubt he would've escaped Naruto's blitz, especially in land.
Now, you keep saying the Byakugan would track his speed, but I'm straining to see how that would work. Neji's Byakugan lacks speed tracking feats to this level. He is able to track multiple kunai and projectile at once, true, but none of them were at the speeds of which Naruto is capable of. Its true that Sharingan are only tools and that a ninja skilled enough could superceed the Sharingan's tracking, but nothing has shown this is the case for Neji. Neji has far better agility feats than Sasuke, that is true. However, Neji is no speedster, and if we take into account overall speed without specifics, Sasuke wins in this.
What I'm getting at is that Neji has shown to be able to track and react to multiple targets at once, but none of those were at a speed such as Naruto's. The Byakugan allows him to see everything around him at the same time, but it hasn't shown an improvement on his speed tracking unless the target is approaching from a distance. Neji by himself too lacks speed tracking feats to this level from what I found, but perhaps I missed something you didn't.
I won't even respond to the other ones now, I wanna focus on this. Neji's style and how he moves is meaningless if he cannot see Naruto coming to intercept him before he's there, so let's take this one thing at a time.
Sasuke still acknowledged he was fast. "Too fast", according to the statement he never completed, implying Naruto was too fast for him to properly react to, as shown by him being forced to react to the first blow. But I digress. Even if Sasuke were in top shape, I doubt he would've escaped Naruto's blitz, especially in land.
He was still able to react to him from a fairly close distance , tho he didn't build speed Sasuke still had a very short distance to react.
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Also if we dissect everything that took place Sasuke only truly got dominated after getting blasted downward by Naruto's chakra roar , Logically that would've altered his Los temporarily meanwhile Naruto was already blitzing towards him, and both were hindered under water but sasuke even more so due to the scenario he was in.
Now, you keep saying the Byakugan would track his speed, but I'm straining to see how that would work. Neji's Byakugan lacks speed tracking feats to this level.
By portrayed feats he was using his Byakugan to keep track of Gated Lee which makes sense since with Byakugan his Los would be on the whole area , nd by description it also has the ability to sense attacks and quickly track the movement of Chakra along with anticipate the use of shunshin due to steady build-up.
This is true about Naruto bein faster than a barrage of kunai coming from 50m , but consider the distance between each kunai he was forced to dodge at a moments notice , then add the time he would need to avoid each kunai in response to their distance between each other and sheer numbers in accordance to the distance from Neji so we can conclude how many dodges he did in the time frame it takes for a kunai to zip pass him.
I myself am trying to gauge the reaction feat so the help would be great and is part of the reason i made this thread.
Its true that Sharingan are only tools and that a ninja skilled enough could superceed the Sharingann's tracking, but nothing has shown this is the case for Neji. Neji has far better agility feats than Sasuke, that is true. However, Neji is no speedster, and if we take into account overall speed without specifics, Sasuke wins in thi/s.
This is contradicting because its confirmed that Lee without his weights is no match for Neji's reaction which means his speed wasn't too far off from that of Lee's and his SRA Arc feat of blitzing kido while literally chakra empty (Which reduces speed) , proved that Neji is in fact a speedster in more ways than one especially considering his condition before the blitz + distance traveled>>>time it took to get to the falling kido.
The Byakugan allows him to see everything around him at the same time, but it hasn't shown an improvement on his speed tracking unless the target is approaching from a distance. Neji by himself too lacks speed tracking feats to this level from what I found, but perhaps I missed something you didn't.
He was forced to avoid the daggers point blank , how is that not speed tracking when he had so many tight maneuvers to accomplish within millisecond intervals each? he literally had to nigh instantly count each and every attack which were launched simultaneously from all angles right??
I won't even respond to the other ones now, I wanna focus on this. Neji's style and how he moves is meaningless if he cannot see Naruto coming to intercept him before he's there, so let's take this one thing at a time.
Only he would see him coming , a straight forward attack wont wtf blitz him and Byakugan 360 and attack sense allows him to see where Naruto is and where his Chakra moves. The question is if he can react which is wat im trying to gauge in these discussions by assessing his reaction feats against kido's barrages lol.
Thats true especially when considering he did the first stage here.
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But i knew this and wanted it to be considered as KN0 as he was Vs 3T with strict Taijutsu which is why i also got rid of Kaiten, but maybe i should've just named it that lol.XD
If the Chakra didn't become solidfied then how did it physically clash with the force of Neji's Kaiten after bein Outspread widely in the earlier panel?
Ok, I didn't catch that. I'll give you this point.
This is true but i only went into detail about the cicular pattern in order to show u exatly wat i meant by it , without trying to use such feats to justify him doing the same to Naruto because of them.
My reasoning for why i think Neji can react is heavily based on his Kido performance. How much time do think Neji needed per dodge to avoid kido's daggers point blank when considering the velocity , distance from Neji , sheer number , simultaneous angle of attack and how closely they were clustered together in waves?
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How many dodges do u think he did in that time frame? would love ur opinion in trying to evaluate these feats , partly why i made the thread so im glad ur here.
This feat only becomes noteworthy when you show that these daggers are as fast Naruto, not to mention it wasn't point blank. They were fired from afar and Neji dodged them when they got close. The number is impressive, but 2-T Sasuke was getting blitzed by KN0 Naruto, and Sasuke and Neji aren't far apart when it comes to speed. So why would this feat allow Neji to react to Naruto well enough to counter Naruto, when again, he failed to do so in canon?
-Another thing i want to add is that replicating such feats against KN0's Chakra charge would have been impossible due to the expanded Chakra surrounding Naruto's entire Body , bottom left panel.
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Neji then noticed this and went for Kaiten , so i dont see how Neji could've even began to physically deal with such a attack covering such wide space due to the expanded Chakra , without expelling his own Chakra defense in response to meet it , if u exclude Kaiten from the picture Neji would have no chance of physically evading the Chakra coming to him which was in front of Naruto , so no way could he even attempt to use evasive Taijutsu in that specific scenario , but we do kno he could phyically react in time to start spinning before Naruto threw his punch.
You have a point here too. Doesn't prove your entire case tho.
This is also evidenced by the fact that Neji had no problem physically clashing with Kn0 before without getting easily overwhelmed , as would've been the case if Naruto had expanded his Chakra similar to his clash with Kaiten later , it also seemed that the random expansion of Chakra is wat promted Neji to use Kaiten more than anything.
Neji and Neji dashing past each other and clashing doesn't indicate that Neji can clash with Naruto in a raw physical battle. Sasuke clashed with Killer B in the same manner and it's clear who's stronger. But I'll agree that Kaiten was because of all the chakra, but I'm definitely not going to agree that he's going to be sidestepping and blocking Naruto's blows when literally no feat of his grants him that level of speed. Especially when your only evidence is him dodging Kidomaru's attacks from quite a distance away.
The roar can happen very quickly , not to mention its range along with its power which was enough to disperse katon and simultaneously injure Sasuke to the point he spat blood but yea Naruto would have to spam it along with probably using with a few clones since his speed gave him the manoeuvrability advantage over Sasuke.
No roar has ever injured Sasuke on panel. All it did was
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. Spamming it is pointless when it can't hurt him and it's pointless when Sasuke can simply evade. It's range isn't even impressive. Clones are pointless and no his speed doesn't give him any advantage over Sasuke that'd actually matter in their fight. His clones get stomped and Naruto gets stomped like he did before.
This feat only becomes noteworthy when you show that these daggers are as fast Naruto, not to mention it wasn't point blank. They were fired from afar and Neji dodged them when they got close. The number is impressive, but 2-T Sasuke was getting blitzed by KN0 Naruto, and Sasuke and Neji aren't far apart when it comes to speed. So why would this feat allow Neji to react to Naruto well enough to counter Naruto, when again, he failed to do so in canon?
Neji noticed these daggers long after they were shot and the daggers were wat , 3 to 2 feet away from him? considering he had to react to the Giant spiders webs beforehand else risk getting restrained and collecting every single dagger , it means Neji was able to pull off more than 30 dodges in wat would likely be milliseconds between each dodge and based on the timing of his awareness to the attacks>>distance already reached , it can be assumed that he was able to cut the webs followed by completing a sequence of over 20+ dodges in under 3 seconds or so based on how close the attacks were before he noticed them coming.
So unlike the other dagger wave attacks where Neji noticed them coming outside his 50m range , he noticed these specific attacks coming muchh much later than the others at a much closer distance of wat can be assumed to be a couple feet due to the elaborate set-up , not to mention having much more to deal with like the surprise cluster grab of giant spider webbing that needed to be dealt with before evading even a single dagger when said daggers were already only a few feet away from him , before he even began to physically react to their already in motion velocity + the already descending webs which would reduce the distance of his reaction to the daggers to even less than 3 feet , Then finally considering that the attacks were bombarded on him in waves puts his mental and tight physical evasive reaction at a very insane level compared to his earlier feat of bein able to dodge daggers he actually saw coming from 50m away.
Neji and Neji dashing past each other and clashing doesn't indicate that Neji can clash with Naruto in a raw physical battle. Sasuke clashed with Killer B in the same manner and it's clear who's stronger. But I'll agree that Kaiten was because of all the chakra, but I'm definitely not going to agree that he's going to be sidestepping and blocking Naruto's blows when literally no feat of his grants him that level of speed. Especially when your only evidence is him dodging Kidomaru's attacks from quite a distance away.
I agree with ur above statements regarding physical power but it did show that Neji could keep up without trouble , and the Bold depends on ur reaction to my above quote.
No roar has ever injured Sasuke on panel. All it did was
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. Spamming it is pointless when it can't hurt him and it's pointless when Sasuke can simply evade. It's range isn't even impressive. Clones are pointless and no his speed doesn't give him any advantage over Sasuke that'd actually matter in their fight. His clones get stomped and Naruto gets stomped like he did before.
It was enough for him to spit blood , then considering it had to plow through katon before getting to Sasuke not to mention it would be unpredictable and leave Sasuke open for attack when he decides to evade then add a few clones ultilzing the same thing and i see Sasuke having allot of problems actually , since he fighting style against Naruto depended on him allowing Naruto to make the first moves in order to make use of his precog.
Then add the fact that utilizing the same expanded Chakra cloak he used to clash Kaiten would've surely forced Sasuke to evade his attacks fully rather than use tight evasion , then give the ability to a few clones and Sasuke would have problems physically touching them right?
