Vote Madara vs Edo Rinnegan Madara

[Benjamin King]

Edo Madara is portrayed and shown by feats much more powerful than his prime. Let's no also forget Edo Madara is able to control Kurama and overpower EMS Madara's control, by the use of Outer Path. Other than that, let's see what Edo Madara can do to overpower EMS Madara and Kurama:

He has Tengai Shensei, which in my calc has can produce enough force to shatter the Shinsuusenju completely. [

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-Banshon Ten'n at Edo Madara's usage can very well pull EMS Madara from Kurama's head and PS's diamond, given to how he pulled an asteroid from space in seconds, which shows Edo Madara's control over gravity is extremely vast. Shinra Tensei at a large scale can potentially repel 11 TBB+PS blades, given Edo Madara's control over gravity.

-There is Asura Path that used by Pain can destroy multi-buildings, and Pain is 1/6 of Nagato's overall power, and Nagato himself is nothing compared to Madara at Rinnegan, after the comparison was shown when he pulled a meteor using the Rinnegan. So, Asura Path rockets have enough fire-power to destroy specifically the diamond on PS's head where EMS Madara is standing at; that is if Edo Madara intelligently uses it.

CQC is also Edo Madara's advantage. The whole point is, Edo Madara can break and take back control over Kyuubi, the Rinnegan gives him the wins, and he's stated stronger than his prime.

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[Strict]

Not to mention that Madara can't use Susanoo and Gakido at the same time. Hence his clones were busted by Oonoki's Jinton, what was mentioned by Madara. So if Madara uses his PS, VOTE Madara spamms TBBs, if he isn't using Susanoo, VOTE Madara swings mountain busting swords in Edo Madara's direction, which can't be absorbed.

PS + Kyuubi > PS.

 

[Beans2]

Lol, when you can get evidence for Preta absorbing 11 Bijuu Dama at once then we can talk about this.

Okay, this is something I never understood. Why can't he absorb them all? Jiraiya already explained the rotation of inner chakra:

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And according to Databook, it causes the body's chakra circulation to

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, which causes the jutsu to be absorbed. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Preta Path has never shown incapable of absorbing chakra unless it's senjutsu chakra or rikudou chakra. There's no reason that I can think of that would explain why it can't absorb it all.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

A small Bijuu Dama from KN4 was heavier than it, seeing how KN4 grabbed it, and it started to sink into the ground. Thus a normal Sized Bijuu Dama is so much heavier than a boss toad that it isn't even funny, and it moves extremely fast. No evidence that Shinra Tensei is strong enough to repel even one let alone 11 of them.

If we follow that logic, the compatible size of the TBB should have had full BM buijuu's do the same yet it didn't sink them to the ground. The weight of the tbb has only shown that to happen in humanoid form via V2. So basically theres no evidence that the BM size tbb is much heavier then summonings since their weight is close to Buijuus. Plus repulsive force ignores no matter the size, power or mass the object has (also depends on how much power he puts in it).

Definitely not happening.

I disagree for now

 

[I'm stupid real stupid]

Edo Madara wins

 

[KidGamer65]

Okay, this is something I never understood. Why can't he absorb them all? Jiraiya already explained the rotation of inner chakra:

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And according to Databook, it causes the body's chakra circulation to

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, which causes the jutsu to be absorbed. Correct me if I'm wrong, but Preta Path has never shown incapable of absorbing chakra unless it's senjutsu chakra or rikudou chakra. There's no reason that I can think of that would explain why it can't absorb it all.

Preta Path absorbing all chakra its come into contact with doesn't mean that you can say it'll absorb any amount of chakra no matter the amount. Perfect example of a logical fallacy, No Limits Fallacy. That's just like me saying Yata tanks every attack because it hasn't been broken. There's no evidence that Preta can handle as much as you are saying it can handle.

People who can absorb Ninjutsu in the Manga, have never once tried to absorb any big techniques, I wonder why?

If we follow that logic, the compatible size of the TBB should have had full BM buijuu's do the same yet it didn't sink them to the ground. The weight of the tbb has only shown that to happen in humanoid form via V2. So basically theres no evidence that the BM size tbb is much heavier then summonings since their weight is close to Buijuus. Plus repulsive force ignores no matter the size, power or mass the object has (also depends on how much power he puts in it).

Nope. It didn't do that to KN4 until after he had ingested it. None of the other Bijuu ingest their Bijuu Dama, so that wouldn't happen to them unless it was heavy enough. Or it could be an inconsistency, considering the fact that this Bijuu Dama caused the 5 Bijuu to sink, yet no such thing was shown with Naruto, who made one of equal size. [

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@bold: Based on what? Bijuu's bodies are the same size, if not larger, than Toad Summons, and the Bijuu each have tails, thus more weight.


@bold: Obviously wrong for obvious reasons. Shinra Tensei is fundamentally the same exact thing as me going outside to push a tree. If I don't exert enough force, the tree will never go down. Same thing with Shinra Tensei, if you don't exert enough force, you won't push what you want to push back. Don't know who told you it'll ignore the size, power or mass of the object.

 

[Demonic.]

Kyuubi gives VotE Madara the win. Alone, Edo Madara is far stronger (obviously).

Exactly. These fools arguing for Edo Madara don't understand Kurama + PS >>> PS alone.

That meteor argument is irrelevant since it's a suicide technique

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[Strict]

Even if the meteorite wouldn't be a suicide technique; one TBB blows the meteorite up, as a slash of the PS cruses it.

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Nope. It didn't do that to KN4 until after he had ingested it. None of the other Bijuu ingest their Bijuu Dama, so that wouldn't happen to them unless it was heavy enough. Or it could be an inconsistency, considering the fact that this Bijuu Dama caused the 5 Bijuu to sink, yet no such thing was shown with Naruto, who made one of equal size. [

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@Bold, not true, it happen before he ate it[

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@bold: Based on what? Bijuu's bodies are the same size, if not larger, than Toad Summons, and the Bijuu each have tails, thus more weight.

We can't be 100% sure, which is why I stated "close" to their weight. I am going by Bunta and Shukaku fight. They look very compatible to each other in weight, mass, and size.

@bold: Obviously wrong for obvious reasons. Shinra Tensei is fundamentally the same exact thing as me going outside to push a tree. If I don't exert enough force, the tree will never go down. Same thing with Shinra Tensei, if you don't exert enough force, you won't push what you want to push back. Don't know who told you it'll ignore the size, power or mass of the object.

Concede here

Exactly. These fools arguing for Edo Madara don't understand Kurama + PS >>> PS alone.

That meteor argument is irrelevant since it's a suicide technique

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Then again your limiting Edo Madara's capability

 

[lanakui8]

Edo madara's greatest power is PS. VoTe madra's greatest power is Kyuusanoo.

Kyuusanoo is on another level than PS alone, it could just equal all PS's sword slashes with its own while the kyuubi machinegun nukes PS into nothing. Let madara use all the mokuton he used in the manga, and nothing changes: mokuryu, mokujin and hashirama's giant mokuton were all destroyed by just one of kuramas bijuudamas going off, edo madara's mokuton pales in comparison and would be destroyed in the crossfire. Let madara use his meteors and it doesn't make a difference as a single bijuudama vaporizes mountains far larger than both meteors combined, and a single PS slash destroy the meteor, blew up kilometers of land and cut two mountains.

Edo madara gets destroyed.

 

[Demonic.]

Then again your limiting Edo Madara's capability

Just the Edo regeneration factor. It's necessary to find out who is truly more powerful.

 

[BLAZE]

Edo Madara destroys

 

[Brother Numpsay]

Just the Edo regeneration factor. It's necessary to find out who is truly more powerful.

Thats mainly the purpose of having an Edo body[

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[Torche]

Edo Madara has unlimited chakra, he could make PS clones instead of v4 (I think) like with Gokage. He could arguably do it with the same clones and Susano'o as Gokage. He could take out VOTE Madara with that poison flower stuff. Kurama is then left to deal with, armour-less so he could bind him with Mokuton.

 

[~Ethereal~]

Edo Madz.

 

[Demonic.]

Thats mainly the purpose of having an Edo body[

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Yes, yes. But when trying to find out who is more powerful it gets in the way. If VOTE Madara obliterates Edo Madra, only to have Edo Madara regenerate, it clearly proves VOTE Madara is more powerful .

And you restrict genjutsu used on Kurama to further weaken him.

Same reason stated above. If Edo Madara needs to take control of Kurama with Genjutsu to win, it means he isn't powerful enough to take Vote Madara down.

 

[Beans2]

Preta Path absorbing all chakra its come into contact with doesn't mean that you can say it'll absorb any amount of chakra no matter the amount. Perfect example of a logical fallacy, No Limits Fallacy. That's just like me saying Yata tanks every attack because it hasn't been broken. There's no evidence that Preta can handle as much as you are saying it can handle.

People who can absorb Ninjutsu in the Manga, have never once tried to absorb any big techniques, I wonder why?

Since when was it implied, ever, that chakra quantity has anything to do with what Preta Path can absorb? It's not at all like Yata Mirror, which is an obvious hyperbole with no feats other than tanking some explosive tags. With a defensive weapon like Yata Mirror, we know that the more firepower = more destructive force, and sufficient destructive force = breaks through defense. However, PP isn't a defensive weapon, it literally turns the user's chakra network in reverse, so as long as the user has the necessary chakra reserves, they can absorb the technique. And Edo Madara surely has the chakra pool capable of absorbing at least a few bijuudamas, theoretically infinite bijuudamas since Edos theoretically have infinite chakra.

@Bold, um hello? Do you not consider rasenshuriken or jinton (a technique that literally turns your opponents to dust) a "big" technique? You have literally zero evidence to back up your assertion. There has never been a time in this manga where a Preta Path user did not try to absorb a technique, unless it was laced with senjutsu or rikudou chakra.

 

[Omar19992010]

Edo Madara is just EMS Madara with some Mokuton and a Rinnegan which only has a couple powers. Kyuubi Susanoo>PS and Mokuton.

 

[Eternal Sage]

Only an illiterate would argue for Edo Madara, its that simple. Nothing he can produce with the Rinnegan comes close to his Perfect Susanoo let alone PS and Kurama. Bijuu Dama Blade Barrage blows open Susanoo and PS slashes finish him off.



Versatility is completely ignored because it won't help him, at all. That simple.



Do people completely abandon logic when it comes to Edo Madara? Why in the world would PS defeat PS Kurama?

I never said it defeats PS Kurama. Edo Madara's PS and Kurama's PS both break. Kurama is still standing fine and is restrained by mokuton long enough for Edo Madara to win

 

[Holy God]

Edo Madara wins. He summons Kurama out of the Perfect Susano'o and then uses a large Almighty Push to knock it out/away, which gives him time to push and kill Madara.