VoTE 2 questions.

[Ootoriyu Jin]

So if a shadow clone halves the power and splits the more you make does that mean each of the 4 Kurama avatar at VoTE 2 were using 1/4 the power? If so how strong would the original Kurama avatar be compared to Sasuke BPS at VoTE 2.

If Sasuke BPS is a 10 what would Kurama's avatar be?


Edit: I might be wrong with the clone thing.
Edit2: How strong would Full Kurama avatar (Adult Naruto) be compared to BPS (VoTE 2)

 

[Styles]

So basically he split his chakra into 3-4 clones then got the chakra he split back just to have more heads and arms? Only if it stayed the same that is.

 

[ANiMUS]

So if a shadow clone halves the power and splits the more you make does that mean each of the 4 Kurama avatar at VoTE 2 were using 1/4 the power? If so how strong would the original Kurama avatar be compared to Sasuke BPS at VoTE 2.

If Sasuke BPS is a 10 what would Kurama's avatar be?


Edit: I might be wrong with the clone thing.

No the Kurama clones could only each use a fourth of Naruto's chakra reserves. 1/4 x 4=1. If Naruto didnt create his clones then one Naruto would have been able to use four times the chakra as his clones did.

Basically if Naruto had stayed whole he still would have been inferior, but there is strength in numbers

 

[Ootoriyu Jin]

So basically he split his chakra into 3-4 clones then got the chakra he split back just to have more heads and arms? Only if it stayed the same that is.

Nah I mean how strong would regular Kurama avatar be compared to BPS since 3-4 Kurama avatar = 1 original Kurama avatar. Out of 10

 

[Ootoriyu Jin]

No the Kurama clones could only each use a fourth of Naruto's chakra reserves. 1/4 x 4=1. If Naruto didnt create his clones then one Naruto would have been able to use four times the chakra as his clones did.

Basically if Naruto had stayed whole he still would have been inferior, but there is strength in numbers

Umm you know you said exactly what I said but you didn't answer my last question lol.

 

[Styles]

Nah I mean how strong would regular Kurama avatar be compared to BPS since 3-4 Kurama avatar = 1 original Kurama avatar. Out of 10

Probably stronger since he never split his chakra into 3-4 clones. But at the same time probably the same since he made them join back(not including the NE he got).

 

[Xlad]

So if a shadow clone halves the power and splits the more you make does that mean each of the 4 Kurama avatar at VoTE 2 were using 1/4 the power? If so how strong would the original Kurama avatar be compared to Sasuke BPS at VoTE 2.

If Sasuke BPS is a 10 what would Kurama's avatar be?


Edit: I might be wrong with the clone thing.

Shadow Clones have relatively the same power as the original. An FRS for example, will have the same exact power regardless of whether the original or clone uses them. The original Kurama avatar have the same power as Shadow Clones Avatar. Shadow Clones divide chakra of the user and not power/damage, which is why they multiply combet effectiveness. They cannot however, replicate very high techniques. Again, we see Shadow Clones being able to replicate FRS; but they can't do the same for Chou Odama RS.

Basically, say Kurama Avatar = 1000. Three more avatars = 3000 since 3 x 1000, thus 3000 + 1000 = 4000.

Sasuke's BPS=10 and four Kurama avatars were needed to barely hold off. That would mean one avatar was only worth 2-3 to begin with.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Strong enough to stalemate :bdpf:

Shadow Clones have relatively the same power as the original. An FRS for example, will have the same exact power regardless of whether the original or clone uses them. The original Kurama avatar have the same power as Shadow Clones Avatar. Shadow Clones divide chakra of the user and not power/damage, which is why they multiply combet effectiveness. They cannot however, replicate very high techniques. Again, we see Shadow Clones being able to replicate FRS; but they can't do the same for Chou Odama RS.

Basically, say Kurama Avatar = 1000. Three more avatars = 3000 since 3 x 1000, thus 3000 + 1000 = 4000.

May I politely request some evidence for this, please? My memory has gone blank as to why this may be. The only similar thing I can think of is SM Naruto being limited to 3 SM battery clones as any higher at the time requires too much concentration but that was Pain arc Naruto. Cheers.

 

[Xlad]

Strong enough to stalemate :bdpf:



May I politely request some evidence for this, please? My memory has gone blank as to why this may be. The only similar thing I can think of is SM Naruto being limited to 3 SM battery clones as any higher at the time requires too much concentration but that was Pain arc Naruto. Cheers.

After Naruto used up attacks such as these [

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. Plus, I can't just give all of the techniques the original used to his clones. Only the ones he was shown to do. If a clone used a tech like FRS, then they can use lower ones like smaller FRS or Rasengan variants. But not anything higher than that until proven otherwise.

 

[lndra]

Read chapter 655-656

There is a good example on how Asura Avatar works with Naruto creating an extremely large FRS.

 

[Umari Senju]

After Naruto used up attacks such as these [

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], he ran out of

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. Plus, I can't just give all of the techniques the original used to his clones. Only the ones he was shown to do. If a clone used a tech like FRS, then they can use lower ones like smaller FRS or Rasengan variants. But not anything higher than that until proven otherwise.

I was thinking that the potency of the jutsu would still be the same, but because it requires X amount of chakra it would deplete the clone's chakra causing it to disperse after the attack as many of them usually did earlier on when say he used that army of Kage Bushin to combat edo Madara, Mokuton attack on the Shinobi alliance when he first appeared.

But you are probably more accurate in your assertion of this. It probably is a chakra control/concentration thing.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

After Naruto used up attacks such as these [

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], he ran out of

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. Plus, I can't just give all of the techniques the original used to his clones. Only the ones he was shown to do. If a clone used a tech like FRS, then they can use lower ones like smaller FRS or Rasengan variants. But not anything higher than that until proven otherwise.

I see. You're going by "Not possible unless proven. Feats etc."

What about current fresh Naruto though? Shouldn't be too much of a stretch to imagine with all the tailed beasts etc.

 

[Xlad]

I was thinking that the potency of the jutsu would still be the same, but because it requires X amount of chakra it would deplete the clone's chakra causing it to disperse after the attack as many of them usually did earlier on when say he used that army of Kage Bushin to combat edo Madara, Mokuton attack on the Shinobi alliance when he first appeared.

But you are probably more accurate in your assertion of this. It probably is a chakra control/concentration thing.

Exactly on point. Their power will still remain the same. It's just as you said, the drawback has more to do with chakra control and use.

I see. You're going by "Not possible unless proven. Feats etc."

Except that's what it is. If Shadow Clones used excessively chakra-taxing techniques, then they disappear. This is because chakra is already split evenly to maintain the clones.

Going by this, shadow clones can also perform Chou Odama Rasenshuriken, which excessively taxing for clones to use. That's why only the original Naruto was shown to use techniques far more powerful than what his clones have shown.

What about current fresh Naruto though? Shouldn't be too much of a stretch to imagine with all the tailed beasts etc.

Naruto still would have the same rule applied to him. However, there is a huge difference in chakra and power between current and previous forms.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

Exactly on point. Their power will still remain the same. It's just as you said, the drawback has more to do with chakra control and use.

Except that's what it is. If Shadow Clones used excessively chakra-taxing techniques, then they disappear. This is because chakra is already split evenly to maintain the clones.

Going by this, shadow clones can also perform Chou Odama Rasenshuriken, which excessively taxing for clones to use. That's why only the original Naruto was shown to use techniques far more powerful than what his clones have shown.

Naruto still would have the same rule applied to him. However, there is a huge difference in chakra and power between current and previous forms.

Everything you just typed was blatantly obvious and pointless. I know chakra gets split yada yada. In one of the scans you posted Naruto was in kcm and had hundreds of clones around battlefields or w/e.

Current Naruto's chakra reserves have increased exponentially from VOTE 2. Therefore his clones also have much more chakra. Which means they can use much more taxing techs. Hence my question & proof request. Same way it's reasonable to assume fresh current Sasuke can now pull off an Indra's arrow w/o beasts.

 

[Xlad]

Everything you just typed was blatantly obvious and pointless. I know chakra gets split yada yada. In one of the scans you posted Naruto was in kcm and had hundreds of clones around battlefields or w/e.

There were only

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against Madara's Mokuton. Even then, it wasn't as chakra-taxing as Chou Odama Rasenshuriken.

Current Naruto's chakra reserves have increased exponentially from VOTE 2. Therefore his clones also have much more chakra. Which means they can use much more taxing techs. Hence my question & proof request.

I just said the same exact thing in my last post.

Same way it's reasonable to assume fresh current Sasuke can now pull off an Indra's arrow w/o beasts.

This part isn't relevant or needed since that's not what I said.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

There were only

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against Madara's Mokuton. Even then, it wasn't as chakra-taxing as Chou Odama Rasenshuriken.


I just said the same exact thing in my last post.

This part isn't relevant or needed since that's not what I said.

Did you see the amount of clones/Odama rasengans he used vs Kurama? Regardless, these events were all pre rikudo power up & timeskip.

So you copied my info I included with my question. Didn't answer it and we've parroting it back to each other repeatedly?

That was obviously an example of power growth to which my question was related

 

[Xlad]

Did you see the amount of clones/Odama rasengans he used vs Kurama? Regardless, these events were all pre rikudo power up & timeskip.

That technique doesn't compared to a regular FRS. An FRS is extremely difficult to create compared to Massive Rasengan Barrage.

Having Six Paths power and going through timeskip isn't changing the fact that Shadow Clones are more limited than original. They can perform more chakra-taxing techniques, but not everything.

So you copied my info I included with my question. Didn't answer it and we've parroting it back to each other repeatedly?

Nope. I said:

Naruto still would have the same rule applied to him. However, there is a huge difference in chakra and power between current and previous forms.

This means that his Shadow Clones might use more chakra-taxing techs. But they still are more limited than the original.

That was obviously an example of power growth to which my question was related

Which doesn't change the fact Shadow Clones are more limited than the original user.

I should ask what evidence and reasoning you have that Shadow Clones can do everything the original can.

 

[Pukkake Pokayo]

That technique doesn't compared to a regular FRS. An FRS is extremely difficult to create compared to Massive Rasengan Barrage.

Having Six Paths power and going through timeskip isn't changing the fact that Shadow Clones are more limited than original. They can perform more chakra-taxing techniques, but not everything.

Nope. I said:


This means that his Shadow Clones might use more chakra-taxing techs. But they still are more limited than the original.

Which doesn't change the fact Shadow Clones are more limited than the original user.

I should ask what evidence and reasoning you have that Shadow Clones can do everything the original can.

Not really. Only 2 clones needed to make a FRS originally and then Naruto was doing it by himself with one hand in The Last from what I remember so yeah..no. I think you're ignoring the extent of Naruto/Sasuke's growth.

 

[Xlad]

Not really. Only 2 clones needed to make a FRS originally and then Naruto was doing it by himself with one hand in The Last from what I remember so yeah..no. I think you're ignoring the extent of Naruto/Sasuke's growth.

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That still doesn't prove that Shadow Clones can do everything the original can. Base Naruto creating FRS with one hand and controlling it only means that he greatly increased proficiency. It also means that Shadow Clones should be able to use more difficult techniques such as one-hand FRS. It doesn't prove that Shadow Clones can do everything like the original. By everything, I mean all of what the original Naruto is capable of.

 

[The Demon Hawk]

So if a shadow clone halves the power and splits the more you make does that mean each of the 4 Kurama avatar at VoTE 2 were using 1/4 the power?

A shadow clone does not split power in half. It only splits the amount of chakra in half. Therefore, each of the 4 Kurama Avatar clones had the same power as original Avatar, but each of them only possessed 1/4 of the total amount of chakra.

If so how strong would the original Kurama avatar be compared to Sasuke BPS at VoTE 2.

It has already been shown in VOTE 2 that the original Kurama Avatar was capable of evenly clashing with Sasuke's PS. Which means it is inferior to Sasuke's BPS by a considerable margin.

If Sasuke BPS is a 10 what would Kurama's avatar be?

If Sasuke's PS is 10, then the original Kurama Avatar will also be 10. Can't estimate this rating in correspondence to BPS...

Edit: I might be wrong with the clone thing.

Yes, you were apparently. Though I've addressed this above.

Edit2: How strong would Full Kurama avatar (Adult Naruto) be compared to BPS (VoTE 2)

There is no reliable way of comparing them. All I can assure is that Adult Naruto's Kurama Avatar will be equal to Adult Sasuke's PS. Now how does that compare to VOTE 2 BPS or 3 faced Kurama Avatar can't be concluded.