Voldemort full strength VS Grinderwald in his Prime both with elder wand

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Wasn't it hammered on a lot in Harry Potter books that Voldemort ws the "strongest dark wizard" that ever excisted.. or has it been so long that I just forgot and don't really know what I am saying now
 

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Dumbledore (who was past his prime) defeated Voldemort while restraining Bellatrix and Harry. Grindelwald would neg Voldemort and use him as a belt.

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Grindelwald had the Elder Wand when he fought Dumbledore and Dumbledore still won...

Dumbledore(way past his prime) w/ Elder Wand fought Voldemort with restraints.


I say, Grindelwald would win narrowly.
 

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Dumbledore having the elder wand mentioned he wouldn't be able to contain a fully powered Voldemort
And as two people have pointed out already... Dumbledore was way past his prime and Voldemort had all his Horcruxes. Voldemort, who was always scared shitless of Dumbledore for obvious reasons, stood no chance against him in his prime. And Dumbledore stated himself that while in his prime he was a "shade more skillful" than Grindelwald. It's obvious that Grindelwald takes this over Voldemort.
 

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And as two people have pointed out already... Dumbledore was way past his prime and Voldemort had all his Horcruxes. Voldemort, who was always scared shitless of Dumbledore for obvious reasons, stood no chance against him in his prime. And Dumbledore stated himself that while in his prime he was a "shade more skillful" than Grindelwald. It's obvious that Grindelwald takes this over Voldemort.

Dumbledore defeated Grindewald when the later was master of the Elder Wand. Additionally even Dumbledore himself said that even without the Elder Wand he was “a shade more skillful” than Grindewald. Therefore: Dumbledore > Grindewald.

However Dumbledore couldn’t contain Voldemort when Dumbledore himself was master of the Elder Ward. Additionally Dumbledore admitted to Harry that even his most powerful defensive spells wouldn’t last if Voldemort returned to full power. Therefore: Voldemort > Dumbledore.

AND the book states that Grindewald was the greatest dark wizard until Voldemort. Therefore: Voldemort > Grindewald.


EDIT: Plagiarism involved motivated by repetition
 

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Voldemort was actually the strongest dark wizard to ever exist. He couldn't be killed, ability to talk to snakes, the best student to ever grace Hogwarts said by Dumbledore himself, had shit tons of dark magic, fought several extremely skilled wizards and witches at once and won with ease, got hoed by the author, could fly, probably one of the strongest wands Ollivander has made (Ollivander said so himself), he always had the intent to use the Unforgivables, remember when Moody said that you have to mean to kill someone so that Avada Kedavra kills he even said that the most the students could do was give him a nosebleed and Bellatrix said that you have to mean it to torture so he has the intent and also his transfigurations skills are top tier he was shown transfigurating ropes to snakes, conjured a hand for Wormtail and conjure shields against Dumbledore. All in all, I think Voldemort takes this one.
 

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Dumbledore (who was past his prime) defeated Voldemort while restraining Bellatrix and Harry. Grindelwald would neg Voldemort and use him as a belt.

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Yeah.

I think Voldemort was more powerful than Grindelwald, but not as skilled. Old Dumbly was dancing around with Voldemort just too easily.
 

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Dumbledore defeated Grindewald when the later was master of the Elder Wand. Additionally even Dumbledore himself said that even without the Elder Wand he was “a shade more skillful” than Grindewald. Therefore: Dumbledore > Grindewald.

However Dumbledore couldn’t contain Voldemort when Dumbledore himself was master of the Elder Ward. Additionally Dumbledore admitted to Harry that even his most powerful defensive spells wouldn’t last if Voldemort returned to full power. Therefore: Voldemort > Dumbledore.

AND the book states that Grindewald was the greatest dark wizard until Voldemort. Therefore: Voldemort > Grindewald.


EDIT: Plagiarism involved motivated by repetition
That statement about Dumbledore's charms is taken out of context.

He said he thought they wouldn't be invincible - but that was his thought when Voldemort was incapacitated. The Ministry Atrium duel proved that wrong, as Voldemort had already returned to power and Dumbledore was having an easy time.

He was still despite being past his prime, still in the same power ball-park as Voldemort and vastly more skilled at duelling than him to boot.
 

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That statement about Dumbledore's charms is taken out of context.

He said he thought they wouldn't be invincible - but that was his thought when Voldemort was incapacitated. The Ministry Atrium duel proved that wrong, as Voldemort had already returned to power and Dumbledore was having an easy time.
False, Tom was at his best in his own body before killing Lily as 'magic of love" was his only weakness that was the only possible defence against him.

Secondly the Ministry of magic duel was a bit even as Dumbledore is calm by nature and Riddle is erratic by nature so you wouldn't who was having an upper hand on who, all of that happens while Dumbledore used elder wand and Voldemort was using a phoenix core Olivander fodder wand.
 

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ok to start with we can easily see that these 3 wizards were in a league of their own, even the strongest other wizards couldn't even compare, Voldemort took on McGonagall, Kinglsley and Slughorn (3 of the strongest wizards in the HPverse) and won even after harry sacrificed himself to Voldy and cast the lily protection on everyone in teh battle, these 3 are fa above anyone else, the myriad of death eaters literally scrambled from teh ministry when Dumbledore arrived and owned all of them 0 efford required

that being said, Dumbledore was definitely the most powerful and greatest wizard of teh age (and probably more than just that one age), he defeated elder wand wielding Grindelwald and was clearly superior to Voldemort even in his old age even though Voldemort had horcruxes and DD had to restrain Bellatrix and protect Harry at the same time and he did it like it was a walk in the park, DD was number one that isn't up for debate

as for number 2 ... well the books do leave you with the sense that Voldy is stronger (but it is never actually stated) but we have to take into account that it does take place in the UK where Grindelwald never terrorized and where Voldy did his best (and by that I mean worst) work so clearly from a UK pow Voldy was the worst dark wizard

Dumledore ''defeated'' both and both feared him, but Voldy did flee rather fast while Grindelwald gave him teh greatest duel in history, the Elder wand does confuse things though

I think Dumbledore pushed the dark art further with the horcruxes and stuff while I believe grindelwald (like DD) knew more about other kinds of magic (and those kinds are stronger, charms, transfiguration and obscure magics like ''love'' are very powerful and make the unforgivable curses kinda easy)

but it comes down to the fact that we simply do not know who was superior, we can speculate ofc, Grindelwald was ''a shade less skillful than Dumbledore'', but so was Voldy, it's impossible to tell

what is my opinion? well, before Grindelwald made an appearance in fantastic beats I would have put them about equal, maybe voldy just (but only just) a bit stronger but now that Grind will be expanded upon I do bealieve he will be made the greater wizard throught eh course of the new stories, so now I would put Grind slightly above Voldy

Voldemort perhaps had more ''extensive'' magical knowledge because he dabbled far further into the dark arts, but Dumbledore definitely knew more about every other kind of magic and only knew (thought he more fitting word is USED) less dark magic because he knew better, and as we can see thare is magic far more complex and powerful than dark magic

as for the wand, yes it was powerful but at the end from what we can get from the story it was not that big a deal, powerful yes but nowhere near ''unbeatable'', if it was really that strong Dumbledore couldn't defeat someone who was only ''a shade less skilfull'', it might be good against mere mortlas but at the level these wizards are at it doesn't even close the gap of only a ''shade less skilfull'' so it's not really a big deal, think of it like this; say McGonagall's power is 100 and Snapes is 95 and teh power of teh wand is 10, its a very big deal here, but now lets introduce dumbledore who has a hypothetical power of 1000 while grindelwald has 950 ... suddently the 10 from teh wand is kinda irrelevant ... the numbers of Dumby and Grindy might look really large but take into account that Dumbledore and Voldy both absolutely fodderized Snape with absolutely no effort, Dumby did it with 1 spell, and Dumby fodderized Aurors, Fudge and the Toad b??ch with 1 spell and 0 effort


Dumbledore defeated Grindewald when the later was master of the Elder Wand. Additionally even Dumbledore himself said that even without the Elder Wand he was “a shade more skillful” than Grindewald. Therefore: Dumbledore > Grindewald.

However Dumbledore couldn’t contain Voldemort when Dumbledore himself was master of the Elder Ward. Additionally Dumbledore admitted to Harry that even his most powerful defensive spells wouldn’t last if Voldemort returned to full power. Therefore: Voldemort > Dumbledore.

AND the book states that Grindewald was the greatest dark wizard until Voldemort. Therefore: Voldemort > Grindewald.


EDIT: Plagiarism involved motivated by repetition
what does Dumbledore containing VOldy mean exactly? nothing much, probably only that he would not be the one to kill him, Dumby always knew the prophecy and knew Harry will be the ne to down Voldemort, but that in no way means Voldy is stronger, and in their duel Dumbledore was casual and clearly superior, but since he knew about the prophecy and knew about the horcruxes he obviusly was never gonna finish voldy, and he was restraining belatrix and protecting harry while he did all of that, not to mention he was very old

yes the book says Voldy was the darkest wizard, but the greatest dark wizard isnt necessarily the strongest, he could just be the most terrifying, most ruthless and most proficient in DARK magic

as for Dumbledores defensive magic not being able to contain voldemort forever, that means absolutely nothing, if you read the books you know that defensive spells one leaves behind are weaker than the wizard who put them there, there is no one wizard that could cast a defensive spell and leave and than that spell would stop the likes of Voldy or Dumby forever, we see that when Dumbledore does in fact reach the Voldemorts horcrux which is a direct proof that dumbledore saying that in NO WAY means that voldemort is superior, neither could keep the other out indefinitely, spells don't work like that, if anything this arument works against Voldemort because Dumbledore reached the horcrux relatively fast while Dumbledores defensive spells protected hogwarts, granted the ministry helped but it can easily be argued DUmbledore did a lot (he lifted the defenses so harry and he could enter on brooms after they returned form the cave in HBP) so if anything Dubledore had the more powerful defensive magic

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Wasn't it hammered on a lot in Harry Potter books that Voldemort ws the "strongest dark wizard" that ever excisted.. or has it been so long that I just forgot and don't really know what I am saying now
That's because he had achieved what other wizards could only dream of, and was a threat to the world. The world acknowledges evil more than what is good. I think Dumbledore was more powerful and didn't want to kill him, even when he had the chance in The Goblet o Fire when he infiltrates The Ministry of Magic and I believe it was all because he believed in Harry Potter's prophecies and didn't want to disturb the whole prophecy by being the intervening 'greater power' that would even result in Voldemort becoming even stronger
 

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Grindelwald in his prime was the most powerful wizard ever....Voldemort was not the most powerful, he was just difficult to kill because of his horcruz thingy.....Dumbledore was skilled too and I guess Grindelwald was unlucky in his fight against Dumbledore....
 
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