VIZ Clarification

[Narutrol]

yeah plus there are levels of speed like v1 ay isnt as fast as v2 ay and when somebody dodges your fastest attack youre not like naruto like good job buddy youre are like omg he dodged me

That one is very debatable because it base on different context and perspective to get different ways to interpret while the central portrait is evidential

 

[A v i]

Why am I not suprised.. Kishimoto never stops making Naruto look inferior to Sasuke. :bdpf:

Shin escaped from Sasuke.

Plankton made Shin retreat against Naruto while Shin wanted to fight.

On a contrary, it can be interpreted like Shin's father thinks Shin needs help to run away from Naruto where as he doesn't need any to escape from Sasuke. Shin wanted to know how strong Sasuke is so he attacked him and learned his lesson hence retreated. He never had any intention of fighting Sasuke. In case of Naruto, he had a work to do and Naruto got in his way which is why he got angry on Naruto and was stopped by his father via Juubi clone. His father never tried to stop Shin when he went after Sasuke nor did he ordered him to retreat where as he did stop him from facing Naruto stating that Naruto is out of his league. From that it can be implied that Shin's father whose knowledge is better than that of Shin thinks of Naruto as a better threat than Sasuke.

 

[Narutrol]

On a contrary, it can be interpreted like Shin's father thinks Shin needs help to run away from Naruto where as he doesn't need any to escape from Sasuke. Shin wanted to know how strong Sasuke is so he attacked him and learned his lesson hence retreated. He never had any intention of fighting Sasuke. In case of Naruto, he had a work to do and Naruto got in his way which is why he got angry on Naruto and was stopped by his father via Juubi clone. His father never tried to stop Shin when he went after Sasuke nor did he ordered him to retreat where as he did stop him from facing Naruto stating that Naruto is out of his league. From that it can be implied that Shin's father whose knowledge is better than that of Shin thinks of Naruto as a better threat than Sasuke.

Akatsuki need to kill sasuke to avenge itachi

But its impossible because they failed, so they go after sasuke daughter

Because of naruto, they failed

This is the proper way to interpret it

 

[ANiMUS]

On a contrary, it can be interpreted like Shin's father thinks Shin needs help to run away from Naruto where as he doesn't need any to escape from Sasuke. Shin wanted to know how strong Sasuke is so he attacked him and learned his lesson hence retreated. He never had any intention of fighting Sasuke. In case of Naruto, he had a work to do and Naruto got in his way which is why he got angry on Naruto and was stopped by his father via Juubi clone. His father never tried to stop Shin when he went after Sasuke nor did he ordered him to retreat where as he did stop him from facing Naruto stating that Naruto is out of his league. From that it can be implied that Shin's father whose knowledge is better than that of Shin thinks of Naruto as a better threat than Sasuke.

Didn't u just defeat urself with your own statement :|
Shin's father only sent Shin to test Sauske so attacking and retreating was the game plan. As for Naruto if Shin's father wouldnt have interfered Shin would have kept trying to fight Naruto (an obstacle). So he needed to step in. There was never a question of who was a bigger threat just difference of circumstances.
Also, Shin being sent to test Sasuke would mean that they don't have as much info on him as they do Naruto

 

[A v i]

Akatsuki need to kill sasuke to avenge itachi

But its impossible because they failed, so they go after sasuke daughter

Because of naruto, they failed

This is the proper way to interpret it

Well I was being sarcastic back then. Killing Sasuke isn't impossible and They never attempted to kill Sasuke let alone failing to kill him and going after his daughter because they failed to beat him. Reasons for targeting her are still unknown as of now. It could be because they can't fight him head on like you said or they may have some other reason. Nothing is conformed.

 

[ANiMUS]

Well I was being sarcastic back then. Killing Sasuke isn't impossible and They never attempted to kill Sasuke let alone failing to kill him and going after his daughter because they failed to beat him. Reasons for targeting her are still unknown as of now. It could be because they can't fight him head on like you said or they may have some other reason. Nothing is conformed.

Those guys have black rods and something that looks like the Juubi. If i had to guess I would say they are after Sasuke's rinnegan. It would be weird if this whole thing was because of some simple grudge against Itachi.

With Sasuke's eye they can summon the Mazo.

My guess would be that they are going after Sarada as insurance against Sasuke. Again as u said nothing is confirmed, but these two attacks prove nothing

 

[Narutrol]

Well I was being sarcastic back then. Killing Sasuke isn't impossible and They never attempted to kill Sasuke let alone failing to kill him and going after his daughter because they failed to beat him. Reasons for targeting her are still unknown as of now. It could be because they can't fight him head on like you said or they may have some other reason. Nothing is conformed.

Base on chapter 2, onion did attempt to kill sasuke unless you can quote onion or father said something disagree with the assassination

Reason to target salad is obvious according to the panels. onion vs sasuke is a parallel. Just as naruto still considering sasuke his rival

 

[A v i]

Didn't u just defeat urself with your own statement :|
Shin's father only sent Shin to test Sauske so attacking and retreating was the game plan. As for Naruto if Shin's father wouldnt have interfered Shin would have kept trying to fight Naruto (an obstacle). So he needed to step in. There was never a question of who was a bigger threat just difference of circumstances.
Also, Shin being sent to test Sasuke would mean that they don't have as much info on him as they do Naruto

I was being sarcastic but I'll answer this just to make sure that you won't misunderstand my point. I said Shin wanted to know how strong Sasuke is and never said his father sent him. Even if he did sent him it means that for him Shin is capable of attacking Sasuke head on and escape without additional help even if the situation gets worse. Where as in case of Naruto he wasn't sure if Shin can escape if the situation becomes worse which is why he went through the trouble of using teleportation to make him retreat.

Them having less information on Sasuke despite being Uchiha clam members and with Sasuke being their main target , it sounds a bit far fetched.

Base on chapter 2, onion did attempt to kill sasuke unless you can quote onion or father said something disagree with the assassination

Reason to target salad is obvious according to the panels. onion vs sasuke is a parallel. Just as naruto still considering sasuke his rival

Chapter 2 says they want to kill Sasuke which has nothing to do with them actually attempting to kill him. What Shin did was just an attempt to test Sasuke's skill and see how strong he really is. Again there wasn't an occasion when they attempted to kill Sasuke and failed. Shin's father has yet to make a move , I don't even get how you come up with this conclusion when main head didn't even directly participated in any event associated with taking revenge on Sasuke.

 

[ANiMUS]

I was being sarcastic but I'll answer this just to make sure that you won't misunderstand my point. I said Shin wanted to know how strong Sasuke is and never said his father sent him. Even he did sent him it means that for him Shin is capable of attacking Sasuke head on and escape without additional help even if the situation gets worse. Where as in case of Naruto he wasn't sure if Shin can escape if the situation becomes worse which is why he went through the trouble of using teleportation to make him retreat.

Them having less information on Sasuke despite being Uchiha clam members and with Sasuke being their main target , it sounds a bit far fetched.

Shin's father never doubted Shin's ability to escape. And of course Shin could escape from Sasuke. The kid is wearing the Uchiha garb and sharingan. Rather than killing the boy Sasuke would want answers. Besides that getting Sasuke's attention was seemed to be necessary since he seems to be their target.

Naruto however is only an obstacle. There is no reason for Shin to even try and take him down himself. (Hooded man even knows that he couldn't) Naruto was wrench in the plan so it was pointless and unlike Sasuke facing him was unnecessary.

The only thing u could say is that the hooded man had confidence in Shin's ability to escape from Sasuke. U can't make any kind of inference regarding Naruto.

 

[Narutrol]

I was being sarcastic but I'll answer this just to make sure that you won't misunderstand my point. I said Shin wanted to know how strong Sasuke is and never said his father sent him. Even if he did sent him it means that for him Shin is capable of attacking Sasuke head on and escape without additional help even if the situation gets worse. Where as in case of Naruto he wasn't sure if Shin can escape if the situation becomes worse which is why he went through the trouble of using teleportation to make him retreat.

Them having less information on Sasuke despite being Uchiha clam members and with Sasuke being their main target , it sounds a bit far fetched.



Chapter 2 says they want to kill Sasuke which has nothing to do with them actually attempting to kill him. What Shin did was just an attempt to test Sasuke's skill and see how strong he really is. Again there wasn't an occasion when they attempted to kill Sasuke and failed. Shin's father has yet to make a move , I don't even get how you come up with this conclusion when main head didn't even directly participated in any event associated with taking revenge on Sasuke.

That's the problem many people have here

Manga facts:

1. Onion wanted to kill sasuke

2. Onion tried to hit sasuke with a deadly weapon with full force

3. Manga never stated testing but absolute hatred and vengeance on sasuke

Saying testing is and assumption that is not supported by manga unless you can quote where they said they testing, because all the manga showing is that they can hardly wait to get rid of sasuke

 

[NextGenNinja]

Cheezus i can barely read Juubi Jr's talk bubble. Is it written like that to make it seem like he has a creepy voice or somethin?

 

[A v i]

Shin's father never doubted Shin's ability to escape. And of course Shin could escape from Sasuke. The kid is wearing the Uchiha garb and sharingan. Rather than killing the boy Sasuke would want answers. Besides that getting Sasuke's attention was seemed to be necessary since he seems to be their target.

Naruto however is only an obstacle. There is no reason for Shin to even try and take him down himself. (Hooded man even knows that he couldn't) Naruto was wrench in the plan so it was pointless so unlike Sasuke facing him was unnecessary.

The only thing u could say is that the hooded man had confidence in Shin's ability to escape from Sasuke. U can't make any kind of inference regarding Naruto.

Him wearing Uchiha garb and Sharingan has nothing to do with him being able to escape from Sasuke after attacking him. Attacking enemy is involved in both cases.So both would attempt to attack or capture Shin, Irrespective of Shins intentions i.e. regadless of whether he tries to fight back or run away. When Shin went to fight Sasuke(Obviously, he need to fight him to know how strong he is), his father didn't said anything like 'Stop it Shin don't try to to fight him. he's out of your league.' But he did attempted to stop him when he was trying to fight Naruto. Again it's not like I believe it to be true. I was just point out that it can be interpreted like this on a contrary to what the other dude said. I am well aware of how strong Naruto and Sasuke are when compared to each other.

 

[ANiMUS]

That's the problem many people have here

Manga facts:

1. Onion wanted to kill sasuke

2. Onion tried to hit sasuke with a deadly weapon with full force

3. Manga never stated testing but absolute hatred and vengeance on sasuke

Saying testing is and assumption that is not supported by manga unless you can quote where they said they testing, because all the manga showing is that they can hardly wait to get rid of sasuke

Fact is that Onion showed malice against Naruto

Onion tried to hit Naruto, ChouChou, and Sarada with a deadly weapon.

And in both cases the kid had too retreat :bdpf:

 

[Narutrol]

Fact is that Onion showed malice against Naruto

Onion tried to hit Naruto, ChouChou, and Sarada with a deadly weapon.

And in both cases the kid had too retreat :bdpf:

True but you can't say onion hate Naurto more than sasuke base on only the difference of fascial expression

 

[SenseiSama]

So you've confirmed Sasuke's superiority. Naruto seemed like an easier target hence why Shin needed someone to tell him to retreat, in Sasuke's case he was strong enough to make Shin leave on his own decision.

 

[A v i]

That's the problem many people have here

Manga facts:

1. Onion wanted to kill sasuke

2. Onion tried to hit sasuke with a deadly weapon with full force

3. Manga never stated testing but absolute hatred and vengeance on sasuke

Saying testing is and assumption that is not supported by manga unless you can quote where they said they testing, because all the manga showing is that they can hardly wait to get rid of sasuke

If you're going to tell me that they attempted to kill Sasuke and failed then at least bring me a scan of then using their full force i.e. Shin's father fighting Sasuke and getting defeated. The main figure has yet to make his move and you're here to conform that they failed to beat him? There is no need for everything to be stated in manga. If you actually think about it for a second you have been saying that they're going after Sarada because they can't beat Sasuke when it was never mentioned by anyone in manga. Only things you need to say they never attempted to kill Sasuke is basic understanding of manga along with a little comprehension skill. If Shin tried to kill Sasuke then he;d have used MS on Sasuke but he never even bothered with using his scroll let alone MS. The conversation b/w Shin and his father after his battle with Sasuke proves that he just attempted to test Sasuke's skills not to kill him.

 

[ANiMUS]

Him wearing Uchiha garb and Sharingan has nothing to do with him being able to escape from Sasuke after attacking him. Attacking enemy is involved in both cases.So both would attempt to attack or capture Shin, Irrespective of Shins intentions i.e. regadless of whether he tries to fight back or run away. When Shin went to fight Sasuke(Obviously, he need to fight him to know how strong he is), his father didn't said anything like 'Stop it Shin don't try to to fight him. he's out of your league.' But he did attempted to stop him when he was trying to fight Naruto. Again it's not like I believe it to be true. I was just point out that it can be interpreted like this on a contrary to what the other dude said. I am well aware of how strong Naruto and Sasuke are when compared to each other.

Because killing Sasuke was never the plan. Shin smiles as he runs away from Sasuke, even though he failed to kill him, and we know that the kid wants to kill Sasuke. :| That makes it obvious that he didn't think he wasn't trying to kill Sasuke because we have seen Shin when he doesn't get his way.

He told Shin to stop when going against Naruto because Shin was intending to fight Naruto (unlike with Sasuke) and his dad knew that he couldn't win.

So to recap.

Sasuke v. Shin- planned retreat
Naruto v. Shin- last minute retreat (the situation wasn't in the plans)

 

[A v i]

Because killing Sasuke was never the plan. Shin smiles as he runs away from Sasuke, even though he failed to kill him, and we know that the kid wants to kill Sasuke. :| That makes it obvious that he didn't think he wasn't trying to kill Sasuke because we have seen Shin when he doesn't get his way.
He told Shin to stop when going against Naruto because Shin was intending to fight Naruto (unlike with Sasuke) and his dad knew that he couldn't win.

So to recap.

Sasuke v. Shin- planned retreat
Naruto v. Shin- last minute retreat (the situation wasn't in the plans)

I have already told you that Shin's intention is irrelevant as he attempted to attack Sasuke which makes him a target of Sasuke which is same even for Naruto. Does Shin not wanting to kill Sasuke at that movement restrain Sasuke from attacking Shin? No. Does it stop him from attempting to capture Shin? No. Anyone in his right mind would assume that if Shin attacks Sasuke and tries to run away Sasuke will either try to attack him or capture him. So it being a planned retreat doesn't effect Sasuke's reaction. In other words Shin's father knows that Shin can escape even if Sasuke tries to attack him or capture him. Which is why he never attempted to stop him but in case of Naruto he did the exact opposite. By the looks of it, Shin is extremely smart for someone of his age and is definitely smart enough to retreat after learning about obvious gap b//w him and Naruto but his father wasn't sure if Shin can escape even if he attempt to escape which is why he rushed to Shin and forced him to get back. Needless to say that they actually have a purpose in case of Naruto yet they were forced to retreat.

 

[Narutrol]

If you're going to tell me that they attempted to kill Sasuke and failed then at least bring me a scan of then using their full force i.e. Shin's father fighting Sasuke and getting defeated. The main figure has yet to make his move and you're here to conform that they failed to beat him?

If you understand the context, you should know my "full force" means shin's full physical strength. That's why its important to understand the story than just a phrase or two

There is no need for everything to be stated in manga.

Certain things has to be stated clearly. Especially a avenger job is to kill, not to test and go back and have a rest. A relevant example, hebi sasuke and ms sasuke, he never test his opponent. Sasuke didn't even test itachi despite of his lack of strength. So if you want to say saauke was testing itachi, you have to quote through manga

If you actually think about it for a second you have been saying that they're going after Sarada because they can't beat Sasuke when it was never mentioned by anyone in manga.

Here's an example: let's say I want to kill a guy name tom but he's very strong and I ran from him, so I kidnap his daughter. So do I need to tell you I can kill tom without kidnapping his daughter?? Seriously??

Only things you need to say they never attempted to kill Sasuke is basic understanding of manga along with a little comprehension skill.

That's another problem people have. A little comprehension skill can only work for story and sentences that are very straight forward. When the story and sentences are not very clear like this, you do not just use a little comprehension skill. You actually have to understand the story and the context than just one two sentences; otherwise you will be making many assumptions

If Shin tried to kill Sasuke then he;d have used MS on Sasuke but he never even bothered with using his scroll let alone MS. The conversation b/w Shin and his father after his battle with Sasuke proves that he just attempted to test Sasuke's skills not to kill him.

It can be said that sasuke overwhelmed shin that shin knows ms would not work, so your statement doesn't help at all

 

[ANiMUS]

I have already told you that Shin's intention is irrelevant as he attempted to attack Sasuke which makes him a target of Sasuke which is same even for Naruto. Does Shin not wanting to kill Sasuke at that movement restrain Sasuke from attacking Shin? No. Does it stop him from attempting to capture Shin? No. Anyone in his right mind would assume that if Shin attacks Sasuke and tries to run away Sasuke will either try to attack him or capture him. So it being a planned retreat doesn't effect Sasuke's reaction. In other words Shin's father knows that Shin can escape even if Sasuke tries to attack him or capture him. Which is why he never attempted to stop him but in case of Naruto he did the exact opposite. By the looks of it, Shin is extremely smart for someone of his age and is definitely smart enough to retreat after learning about obvious gap b//w him and Naruto but his father wasn't sure if Shin can escape even if he attempt to escape which is why he rushed to Shin and forced him to get back. Needless to say that they actually have a purpose in case of Naruto yet they were forced to retreat.

Surprise is actually a very important factor to shinobi. That is why Naruto was able to get a hit off of Kaguya when he did Sexy Reverse Harem jutsu. Shin's appearance had the same effect on Sasuke. It surprised him, giving Shin an opening. That kind of opening can be counted on in someone like Sasuke's case and that is the reason as y Shin thought that he could attack Sasuke and get away.

Naruto's intervention on the other wasn't counted on escape wasn't Shin's intent so the mini Juubi had to tell Shin to escape.