[Discussion] Visual Genjutsu, a Rinnegan's weakness ?

[raziel777]

The Rinnegan and its paths are so OP that I started thinking about ways to counter them. Then it hit me, why not use visual genjutsu ? 6 ( or 7 ) pairs of eyes make the job really easy. And please don't say the paths because they are dead bodies can't fall for genjutsu, Jman proved that wrong. Now the real question is, since they share the same vision field does it mean that if one get caught in a visual genjutsu the others will be too ? Give your thoughts!

 

[falafala]

The Rinnegan and its paths are so OP that I started thinking about ways to counter them. Then it hit me, why not use visual genjutsu ? 6 ( or 7 ) pairs of eyes make the job really easy. And please don't say the paths because they are dead bodies can't fall for genjutsu, Jman proved that wrong. Now the real question is, since they share the same vision field does it mean that if one get caught in a visual genjutsu the others will be too ? Give your thoughts!

They share the same field of vision not sense.. so i doubt visual gunjutsu will affect all of them if one is caught in it. am pretty sure even if its visual then it affect some other sense.. not sure tho..

 

[blackbird31468]

Well if they're all seeing out of the same eye then it would make sense that every path would get affected sense they all saw it, and visual genjutsu is about what you saw. But most people are going to say that the rinnegan is immune to all forms of visual genjutsus.

 

[Uxellius]

I think even it's visual Genjutsu still effect senses, but I'm not 100% for that +rep for good question

 

[raziel777]

By definition, since they share the same vision field, they have a sense in common ( sight ). And to fall under a visual genjutsu that's all that's needed. But you could be right, it'd be too easy. Then again that's not really a valid argument

 

[Draegod]

1. His rinnagan was Madaras so he will survive like kakashi sort of did IF it affects nagato
2. Just becaus they share vision doesnt mean they will all be affected. Otherwise Jman genjutsu would of caught all 6 bodies including nagato since he see's and hears everything they do (fact)
3. The Pains body constantly receives chakra from the piercings or metal rods that are in there body. SO they would in theory be able to break out of visual genjutsu ASAP!

Pain simply beats itachi every single time or almost 9/10 i would say.

 

[raziel777]

Nope I don't think so. If the chakra rods could help break a genjutsu, visual or not, nagato wouldn't have gotten caught in Jman's sound genjutsu. You are probably right in saying that it wouldn't affect every paths. But too many pairs of eyes on the battlefield is a big weakness. An expert in visual genjutsu would probably use that. Last thing, the fact that it's madara's means nothing.. We don't how skilled he is at genjutsu and against high level genjutsu like the 2nd mizukage's or tsukuyomi...

 

[Shadow Abyss]

The Rinnegan is a natural evolution of the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan as shown by Madara. I presume it doesn't need to cover the Genjutsu field because the previous levels already do that.
Nagato, however, received them as an implant and couldn't deactivate/acess the previous levels as a result, leaving him vulnerable to visual Genjutsu. At least thats what I think.

 

[raziel777]

That makes some sense but I fear it is impraticable in actual combat situation. Switching from Rinnegan to EMS ? A genjutsu won't give you enough time to do so, and one like Tsukuyomi would mean the death of every Rinnegan user. One solution would be to follow Tobi's example : one in each eye, the best of both worlds.

 

[Ryan Ensign]

No, genjutsu affects the chakra circulation in the brain. So if one body/path gets caught in it, then only that body will be affected.

 

[Draxus]

1. His rinnagan was Madaras so he will survive like kakashi sort of did IF it affects nagato
2. Just becaus they share vision doesnt mean they will all be affected. Otherwise Jman genjutsu would of caught all 6 bodies including nagato since he see's and hears everything they do (fact)
3. The Pains body constantly receives chakra from the piercings or metal rods that are in there body. SO they would in theory be able to break out of visual genjutsu ASAP!

Pain simply beats itachi every single time or almost 9/10 i would say.

Point 1 is pure fan-fiction

Actually point 2 is NOT a fact. The path's only SEE the same thing, nothing in the manga ever stated that they all HEAR the same thing. How do you know Nagato doesn't just read lips to carry conversations?

Also if point 2 & 3 are correct then how come Jman's genjutsu then get all the paths in 1 shot?

 

[raziel777]

Being Madara's Rinnegan doesn't mean its the absolute best that there is and that it has immunity against genjutsu ( I fail to see the logic behind that point )... I already pointed out that the rods won't help in breaking the genjutsu. And it's true that we have no definite proof that they share the same hearing. I don't see why they would share hearing and not touch, taste or smell. For sight sharing , the logic is obvious ( Rinnegan ). The others deserve some explanation

 

[Blaze Release]

There are two ways to answer this.

Sharingan genjutsu like Magen Kasegui no Jutsu wouldnt work on madara who is a true heir of the rinnegan and nagato who has transplanted eyes. Tsukuyomi itachi's to be exact wouldnt work on madara's rinnegan because mastery of the sharingan is what allowed him to activate the ms/rinnegan, but also he is an uchiha therefore he meets all the requirements to get past it. Nagato however is in the same boat as kakashi. Neither are uchiha's though kakashi had mastery of the sharingan to be able to cast genjutsu and even copy his many ninjutsu's. Similarly nagato had mastery of the rinnegan if he as able to mastery all the elements, however like kakashi he lacks the uchiha blood that would make him get past this technique. Secondly the time it activates and when it ends is too quick to disrupt your chakra flow. So there is more evidence backing madara's immunity than nagato's.

As for KA i see no reason why it wouldnt work on rinnegan user's, until the manga states otherwise it most likely would

 

[raziel777]

I understand your point but I think there is a flaw. Even though Rinnegan is achieved by mastering EMS, EMS techs or abilities are not passed to the Rinnegan hence Madara switching to EMS to activate a related jutsu. Breaking Tsukuyomi require Uchiha blood, the mastery of the Sharingan AND for it to be active at that moment. In Rinnegan mode, Madare or Nagato would be helpless against visual genjutsu. Tobi found the right balance with his different eyes.