[Discussion] Violence is never the answer

[Yatori]

As I said before, violence is a privledge reserved to those with power.

If you commit violence, you get punished.
If the establishment commits violence they get..oh wait.

Exactly.

Who punished the US for killing millions in Iraq?
Who punished the cop who shot four bullets in a man who reached for his ID?
Who punished the criminal justice system who makes a profit of people's misery?
Who punished the warmongering politicians?

You can't be violent because they say so, the lawmakers and those who's job it is to uphold it are exempt from it. Why? Because they can.

Well karma is a ***** . It will comes back to them later even without being violence. It's might go roundabout way though.

 

[Netflix and Chill]

Violence certainly was the answer yesterday, a good answer.

 

[Yubel]

Well karma is a ***** . It will comes back to them later even without being violence. It's might go roundabout way though.

As far as I can tell karma is just feel-good nonsense people who don't have the means to exact revenge find comfort in. An invisible force who will reward good people and punish bad people even though good or bad is arbitrary.

 

[LoZelda101]

Lol you're laughable VIOLENCE IS NEVER THE ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!!! WE DON'T LIVE TO DIE!!!!!!

No. But others died so we could live :tea:

 

[LoZelda101]

Well karma is a ***** . It will comes back to them later even without being violence. It's might go roundabout way though.

So basically the same. :tea:

 

[Yatori]

So basically the same. :tea:

What? :wut:

OT : you have triple post there. You can get infracted for that bro!

 

[demon of the leaf]

War is only the answer because in our current capitalistic society, there are people who benefit economically from it. It's called war profiteering. Few win and everyone else loses.

That's why the system needs to change.

Its the war ministry that benefits from it along with those they pay

 

[Lightbringer]

Any form of justice is maintained with violence and violence is a privledge reserved to those with power. What Gandhi, MLK and the others did was merely pleading. They managed to win over the people who are in the words of Thomas Jefferson "the only prudent repository of power".

The people have more power than the government and institutions who exist to serve them. However people are stupid so the government and those institutions can get away with alot of crap because knowledge is the highest form of power. Think of it like a dumb king(the people) who's controlled by his advisor(the establishment) and is easily fooled.

So by your logic what Hitler, Stalin, and Mao Zedong did was the right answer?

 

[Yubel]

So by your logic what Hitler, Stalin, and Mao Zedong did was the right answer?

I never said it was right or wrong but they're not any different than corrupt leaders today.

 

[Kishi Uzumaki]

Humans has been violent race since they began to roam this earth, they conquered lands through violence and they found glory in wars whatever the reason ( democracy, civilizing, peace or something else ) they might give yet humans are capable of great kindness, love and peace too

and personally i think human race will always go through these two dimensions while some will demonstrate violence and desire glory in arms and other ones will desire love and the peace so only way to reach somewhere in life as humans is to stick into the grey areas .

 

[Lightbringer]

I never said it was right or wrong but they're not any different than corrupt leaders today.

Your thread was about how violence is the answer. You are already saying what they did was right and the violence is not a form of corruption. It couldn't be more clearer of what you said:

No, violence have historically always been the greatest ally of man.
It has always been the easiest way to get what you want.

If violence is the greatest ally of man, then those tyrants must have been saints in your book.

Violence have always been the answer.

Violence is what created terrorist groups such as ISIS. I guess they're doing what's right by your logic?

The reality is if words fail, violence is the way to get what you want, that's how countries survive.

Violence is how countries survive? Then why isn't Africa thriving right now?

 

[ArabianLuffy]

Violence IS the answer for those who are capable of winning and controlling.

 

[Yubel]

Your thread was about how violence is the answer. You are already saying what they did was right and the violence is not a form of corruption. It couldn't be more clearer of what you said:



If violence is the greatest ally of man, then those tyrants must have been saints in your book.




Violence is what created terrorist groups such as ISIS. I guess they're doing what's right by your logic?






Violence is how countries survive? Then why isn't Africa thriving right now?

Africa is being robbed of all its resources by the western world who once enslaved it and there are two ways to enslave a nation, one is by the sword(violence), the other is debt which is more subtle. If they weren't getting their supply from Africa it'd be invaded by now. ISIS was created by the US both directly and indirectly.

Violence IS the answer for those who are capable of winning and controlling.

Same thing I said. Violence is a privledge reserved to those with power.

 

[Lightbringer]

Africa is being robbed of all its resources by the western world who once enslaved it and there are two ways to enslave a nation, one is by the sword(violence), the other is debt which is more subtle. If they weren't getting their supply from Africa it'd be invaded by now. ISIS was created by the US both directly and indirectly.

So you're agreeing with their methods though, because to you violence is the answer.

I also assume that you believe that the recent Dallas shooting was also justified, because violence is the answer.

 

[Legendary Saiyan]

War is nothing but genocidal profit.

 

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[Shig]

You really need to see both sides of the coin before arguing for one side or the other. I've rarely employed violence to obtain what I wanted, and I also have to add that most of the time it didn't provide me with anything other than momentary satisfaction. But we're not talking violence on a personal level, aye? We're talking violence on a large scale, the violence that states employ in order to obtain what they want.

I can't assume to know what you've been through in life, but I have had the privilege of interacting recently with a Syrian refugee family that managed to get relocated in Copenhagen through a project with Amnesty International. Seeing little children and grown men crying together of either happiness or sadness, crying because they got away from the violence, rape and murder, crying because they lost their homes; it's moving, in a disturbing way. Ask them if violence is the answer, ask the people who are actually oppressed by this victorious violence. However, I'm assuming the counterargument to this will be that the people don't matter and that, in the end, people get what they want through violence. I tend to disagree, and the most prominent example of this is the war that's been going on in the Middle East these past years.

What has violence brought, if I may ask, that has been positive in recent years? And I get that no one is arguing that violence is good, but a lot of people are arguing that violence is the answer. The answer to what? If you didn't notice, violence bred more violence. Watch what's going on in the entire world as an effect of the abuse that's been going on in the Middle East, you're not safe anywhere anymore. Constant bomb threats, terrorism and just overall mayhem when it comes to personal security.

If violence was the answer, then there would have been a winning side already...

 

[Deadlift]

"War is greedy old men sending naive young boys to kill innocent children"

 

[Shig]

And the point of this thread is?

Honestly people showing their flawless intelligence on ****ing anime forums always cracks me up.

I really think you misunderstand the section you're in.

And the point of your post is?

Honestly people who try to be edgy on anime forums always crack me up.

^ See how rude that was? Your comment was not productive or beneficial to the conversation in any way, either contribute or don't criticize other people's opinions without sharing your own. Their "flawless" intelligence far surapasses yours until you prove them otherwise.

 

[V h o]

When exactly has violence caused things to change? For the better?