Victim blaming 101

[Lightbringer]

So I'm sure some of you have heard this story:

A Yelp employee wrote an open letter to her CEO explaining how she hasn't bought any groceries since she got the job because most of her money goes to rent.

She's working full time minimum wage in San Fransisco. That's almost impossible to live on a minimum wage salary.

Well the next day she gets fired because of this.

What's even worse and this made me mad, is that FOX tried to blame her in saying that she's acting like she's entitled to something, that she's lazy, and criticizing her for asking for money to help pay her rent......

Again she worked full time minimum wage......how is she lazy? The notion that the harder you work, the farther you go is not true.

She's now begging for money in an expensive city......that's called being poor.

But these dumb twits on FOX are calling her entitled and the on girl pretends like she's a hero for berating the fired Yelp employee.

It's disgusting.

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[Hawker]

uhm..not adressing the actual issue here (firing), but who in the hell asks their boss for more money? You signed a contract, you knew what your pay was going to be so adjust all your other expences based on that or get another job or move into another apartment. Isn't the whole premise for this thing a bit silly and yes self centered?

 

[Seventh Sama]

Who cares what fox news has to say? They're pretty terrible...

 

[Lightbringer]

uhm..not adressing the actual issue here (firing), but who in the hell asks their boss for more money? You signed a contract, you knew what your pay was going to be so adjust all your other expences based on that or get another job or move into another apartment. Isn't the whole premise for this thing a bit silly and yes self centered?

Someone who is desperate and poor.....

It's not easy finding another job just like that.

Also San Fransisco is an expensive city and again, finding an apartment that's cheap is near impossible.

 

[Punk Hazard]

We live in a society that demands we sustain our lives, rather than luxury, through money, then pays the hardest workers too little, and then call them lazy good for nothings who don't want to work hard when they can't earn enough to live because their wages are too low and ask for direly needed assistance.

Welcome to America.

 

[Lightbringer]

We live in a society that demands we sustain our lives, rather than luxury, through money, then pays the hardest workers too little, and then call them lazy good for nothings who don't want to work hard when they can't earn enough to live because their wages are too low and ask for direly needed assistance.

Welcome to America.

It's unthinkable to even ask for a livable wage.

We just have to get in line, shut up, and accept the rigged system.

We are all so entitled.

 

[Hawker]

Someone who is desperate and poor.....

It's not easy finding another job just like that.

Also San Fransisco is an expensive city and again, finding an apartment that's cheap is near impossible.

Everyone has problems. Most people struggle with financial issues. That's just life.

Well then she shoudl've moved out from there. Look we have a case where you have created your situation yourself. Workplace is not a charity. It pays you money for doing work. If that's not enough then that's your problem. Get an education and a better job or just find a cheaper city to live in.

There are millions in the same situation as her. What would happen if everyone asked for charity?

 

[Karna]

You know what scares me? When people get surprised, shocked, angry etc at fox news and like news media. It's almost as if you expect them to be truthful and honest in the first place, so it implies you're vulnerable if they slipped some underlying lie in a popular case(where you can't check the truth yourself). Why do you not expect them to be lying bigots and then be presently surprised if what they present happens to be closer to truth? No excuses, learn to expect it.

 

[Punk Hazard]

It's unthinkable to even ask for a livable wage.

We just have to get in line, shut up, and accept the rigged system.

We are all so entitled.

I want to not live under deplorable conditions until starvation or lack of protection from the environment kills me, I'm so entitled.

 

[Lightbringer]

Everyone has problems. Most people struggle with financial issues. That's just life.

Well then she shoudl've moved out from there. Look we have a case where you have created your situation yourself. Workplace is not a charity. It pays you money for doing work. If that's not enough then that's your problem. Get an education and a better job or just find a cheaper city to live in.

There are millions in the same situation as her. What would happen if everyone asked for charity?

How would she move out with no money? She doesn't have enough to pay for groceries.

How would she get a better education with no money and a a full-time job? She's also a single-mom.....

Saying everyone has problems is simply dismissing this one.

No it's not just life, it's a rigged system. The economy is ****ed up and more poor are flooding the streets.

Fun fact: 62 of the wealthiest individuals own more wealth than 50% of the world. 62 people have more money than 3.7 billion individuals combined. They didn't just worker harder than everybody else, it's not even possible....

People are asking for a livable wage, not charity.

Again, you're victim blaming.

 

[Lightbringer]

You know what scares me? When people get surprised, shocked, angry etc at fox news and like news media. It's almost as if you expect them to be truthful and honest in the first place, so it implies you're vulnerable if they slipped some underlying lie in a popular case(where you can't check the truth yourself). Why do you not expect them to be lying bigots and then be presently surprised if what they present happens to be closer to truth? No excuses, learn to expect it.

I know that.....

It still doesn't excuse them. They stoop to a new low with every segment.

 

[Angelic.]

It's her fault for not being born rich

 

[Hawker]

How would she move out with no money? She doesn't have enough to pay for groceries.

How would she get a better education with no money and a a full-time job? She's also a single-mom.....

Saying everyone has problems is simply dismissing this one.

No it's not just life, it's a rigged system. The economy is ****ed up and more poor are flooding the streets.

Fun fact: 62 of the wealthiest individuals own more wealth than 50% of the world. 62 people have more money than 3.7 billion individuals combined. They didn't just worker harder than everybody else, it's not even possible....

People are asking for a livable wage, not charity.

Again, you're victim blaming.

Firstly at some point in her life she must have moved into that apartment and to get that certain job. So it was a concious choice to remain in the city and to work minimum wage. Also her being single-mom is no others fault but her own.

How would she get a better education? Well I don't know because I'm not familiar with your system. Maybe it's not that easy there but in Finland college is free so I hope for your sake that you get Sanders as a president because he is trying to get the same system to you aswell.

Yeah I know it sucks. And I'm aware of that statistic and it makes the issue even more shittier but what can you do, it is what it is. I've worked for minimum wage before so I know how it sucks. But I managed and I never had to ask for a raise. Everyone should take a responsibility of their own life. She created the situation. It's that simple.

 

[Troyg39]

But this isn't really about whether or not she's a hard worker. Having a "full-time" job doesn't mean you work hard.

I feel where you're coming from but don't get it twisted...this was some dumb shit. She's not a "victim" first of all. Having to pay rent on a minimum wage job is like everyone's problem right now....she's no more a victim due to her circumstances than the millions of other Americans who can only find minimum wage work (or no work at all) right now.

Being poor isn't an excuse to send a letter to your company complaining about your circumstances. That's unprofessional and you're asking to get fired. And if you actually watch the video, it shows that in the letter she even accused the company of "not having her back". She literally accused the company of not being there for her.....all because of a wage that she AGREED to and because of circumstances her company wouldn't have been aware of to help out with anyway (I'm sure she didn't mention her rent and grocery troubles when she was interviewing for the job)

And as far as her needs go, we still have (at least for now) government assistance programs. Foodstamps, housing assistance, you name it. She can (and should) get a second job. A full-time, minimum wage job usually doesn't even guarantee 40hrs every week. (you only have to work like 30 to be considered "full-time") There are people who easily put in 50-70 hours in some occupations. Like I said, having a "full-time" job does NOT mean you're a hard worker at all. It means you're willing to barely do enough. And that's her problem right now. It's barely enough. She could downsize, or get roommates.

There were and are plenty of options better than doing what she did. Don't get me wrong I hate our current economical structure, minimum wage laws, and just the overall lack of leverage our workforce has compared to employers in the economy despite both being so important, but this isn't really anything to defend. The fox girls could've been nicer about it yes, but really there wasn't a need to be. This was some dumb, lazy shit. I'm sorry

 

[Hawker]

But this isn't really about whether or not she's a hard worker. Having a "full-time" job doesn't mean you work hard.

I feel where you're coming from but don't get it twisted...this was some dumb shit. She's not a "victim" first of all. Having to pay rent on a minimum wage job is like everyone's problem right now....she's no more a victim due to her circumstances than the millions of other Americans who can only find minimum wage work (or no work at all) right now.

Being poor isn't an excuse to send a letter to your company complaining about your circumstances. That's unprofessional and you're asking to get fired. And if you actually watch the video, it shows that in the letter she even accused the company of "not having her back". She literally accused the company of not being there for her.....all because of a wage that she AGREED to and because of circumstances her company wouldn't have been aware of to help out with anyway (I'm sure she didn't mention her rent and grocery troubles when she was interviewing for the job)

And as far as her needs go, we still have (at least for now) government assistance programs. Foodstamps, housing assistance, you name it. She can (and should) get a second job. A full-time, minimum wage job usually doesn't even guarantee 40hrs every week. (you only have to work like 30 to be considered "full-time") There are people who easily put in 50-70 hours in some occupations. Like I said, having a "full-time" job does NOT mean you're a hard worker at all. It means you're willing to barely do enough. And that's her problem right now. It's barely enough. She could downsize, or get roommates.

There were and are plenty of options better than doing what she did. Don't get me wrong I hate our current economical structure, minimum wage laws, and just the overall lack of leverage our workforce has compared to employers in the economy despite both being so important, but this isn't really anything to defend. The fox girls could've been nicer about it yes, but really there wasn't a need to be. This was some dumb, lazy shit. I'm sorry

Exactly! This is what I meant. She's no victim.

 

[Lightbringer]

Firstly at some point in her life she must have moved into that apartment and to get that certain job. So it was a concious choice to remain in the city and to work minimum wage. Also her being single-mom is no others fault but her own.

How would she get a better education? Well I don't know because I'm not familiar with your system. Maybe it's not that easy there but in Finland college is free so I hope for your sake that you get Sanders as a president because he is trying to get the same system to you aswell.

Yeah I know it sucks. And I'm aware of that statistic and it makes the issue even more shittier but what can you do, it is what it is. I've worked for minimum wage before so I know how it sucks. But I managed and I never had to ask for a raise. Everyone should take a responsibility of their own life. She created the situation. It's that simple.

Well like you said, you're not familiar with the system in the U.S. So you might not understand since you haven't experienced it first-hand.

You're also assuming too much on her behalf.

What's simple is that she was working 12 hours on a minimum wage and got fired because she couldn't sustain herself and wrote a letter about it and now she's being berated by the media in saying that she's lazy and entitled.

 

[Hawker]

Well like you said, you're not familiar with the system in the U.S. So you might not understand since you haven't experienced it first-hand.

You're also assuming too much on her behalf.

What's simple is that she was working 12 hours on a minimum wage and got fired because she couldn't sustain herself and wrote a letter about it and now she's being berated by the media in saying that she's lazy and entitled.

Do you understand that millions of people in U.S work for minimum wage? And most of them do not die out of starvation?

 

[Lightbringer]

But this isn't really about whether or not she's a hard worker. Having a "full-time" job doesn't mean you work hard.

I feel where you're coming from but don't get it twisted...this was some dumb shit. She's not a "victim" first of all. Having to pay rent on a minimum wage job is like everyone's problem right now....she's no more a victim due to her circumstances than the millions of other Americans who can only find minimum wage work (or no work at all) right now.

Being poor isn't an excuse to send a letter to your company complaining about your circumstances. That's unprofessional and you're asking to get fired. And if you actually watch the video, it shows that in the letter she even accused the company of "not having her back". She literally accused the company of not being there for her.....all because of a wage that she AGREED to and because of circumstances her company wouldn't have been aware of to help out with anyway (I'm sure she didn't mention her rent and grocery troubles when she was interviewing for the job)

And as far as her needs go, we still have (at least for now) government assistance programs. Foodstamps, housing assistance, you name it. She can (and should) get a second job. A full-time, minimum wage job usually doesn't even guarantee 40hrs every week. (you only have to work like 30 to be considered "full-time") There are people who easily put in 50-70 hours in some occupations. Like I said, having a "full-time" job does NOT mean you're a hard worker at all. It means you're willing to barely do enough. And that's her problem right now. It's barely enough. She could downsize, or get roommates.

There were and are plenty of options better than doing what she did. Don't get me wrong I hate our current economical structure, minimum wage laws, and just the overall lack of leverage our workforce has compared to employers in the economy despite both being so important, but this isn't really anything to defend. The fox girls could've been nicer about it yes, but really there wasn't a need to be. This was some dumb, lazy shit. I'm sorry

Unbelievable. You're making excuses as a way to justify blaming her.

Have you ever tried working full time on minimum wage? I have, it was shit. It was the worst work I've ever done in my life.

Also it's Sans Fransisco. It's nearly impossible to live off a minimum wage.

You're blaming someone for being poor and telling them that they're not doing enough.

Just think about that for a second and reflect on how fundamentally wrong that is.

 

[Lightbringer]

Do you understand that millions of people in U.S work for minimum wage? And most of them do not die out of starvation?

No they die of disease because of malnutrition, poor living conditions, and lack of healthcare.....

 

[Troyg39]

Unbelievable. You're making excuses as a way to justify blaming her.

No, you're using the excuse that she is poor, and mimimum wage sucks, and life is hard, to blame the company for firing her. When in actuality, while all those excuses may have merit, they aren't good reasons to go accusing your employer of not having your back and then expecting them not only to NOT FIRE YOU, but to GIVE YOU MORE MONEY?!

Shit like that is why we millennials have such a bad rep in the first place. Being poor is not a reason to be stupid.

Have you ever tried working full time on minimum wage? I have, it was shit. It was the worst work I've ever done in my life.

See this right here lets me know this topic is too big for you anyway. You clearly don't have a lot of life experience. To answer your question yes I have. I've been in the workforce since I was 16. My first full-time job was a warehouse worker, mostly overnight, when I was 18, for minimum wage. After that I worked full-time at a K-Mart for mimimum, then at a grocery store when I finally started making more money as I moved up into management (funny how that works). I was and currently am still in school full-time. And I was doing volunteer hours for a lot of this period, though I'm currently not. And I'm still work full-time now even though my pay is now is a few dollars above minimum.

So yea as I said, it sucks, but no excuse to do something I should have enough common sense to know would put my job in jeopardy. Especially if money is my issue in the first place.

Also it's Sans Fransisco. It's nearly impossible to live off a minimum wage.

It's nearly impossible to live off minimum wage anywhere. In no state does the minimum currently match an actually living wage for that area. At least not to my knowledge. Regardless, the point isn't that she should be able to live off minimum wage. The point is to exhaust all areas for assistance before doing something you should know will cost you your job.

You're blaming someone for being poor and telling them that they're not doing enough.

Just think about that for a second and reflect on how fundamentally wrong that is.

Again, her being poor isn't the issue I addressed at all.