Vasto vs MB[Closed Fight]

[Vayne]

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have two scrolls one aligned horizontally across my back, and one in a vertically inclined position also on my back. I have one sword to sheathed to my left hip.

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As you appear mid range form me, I manipulate my chakra and cause a huge white whale to appear three inches above you, the greater part of the whale is not directed to your head only from 'chest' and above will hit your head, the remaining part of the whale will be towards your back side direction.
As the whale is created I swiftly cause a pond to emerge beneath you, the pond forms into a dragon that will send you upward and cause you to loose your balance. This also prevents you from attempting escape via earth techniques, or via wind techniques such as hurricane fist since if you used it to move backwards you will het hit by the body of the whale, and if you used it to move forwards then you will counter my next move. It also prevents the usage of lightning techniques. Thus you will be basically restricted to fire techniques and ninjutsu.
Now as soon as I create the dragon of water, I instantly perform five hand seals and release a net made up of compressed wind chakra, the net won't serve much of an offensive technique, unless you managed to move forwards. Which will be extremely hard due to the close proximity of the whale, and the water dragon. And the net is formed quickly due to faster hand seals for wind element.

Spoiler

(Hyouton: Ikkaku Hakugei) Ice Release: One Horned White Whale
Rank: B
Type: Attack/Defense
Range: Short-Long
Chakra Cost: 20
Damage: 40
Description: A humongous white whale with a single horn made out of ice will be made. The whale can crash into a target using its large horn or simply its massive size, or it can serve defensive purposes; its large size making it capable of blocking any attack that it is capable of withstanding.

(Suiton: Suiryū Kōbaku ) - Water Release: Water Dragon Biting Explosion
Rank: A
Type: Offensive
Range: Short - Long
Chakra cost: 30
Damage points: 60
Description: The user creates a large pool of water that gushes upwards lifting the opponent into the air, after firing the enemy into the air, the user shoots numerous water bullets at them from the pool of water and then finishes by forming the water bullets into a water dragon which attacks the target, sending them crashing into the ground.

(Fūton: Kakeami no Jutsu) - Wind Release: Cast Net Technique
Rank: A
Type: Offensive, Supplementary
Range: Short - Long
Chakra cost: 30
Damage points: 60
Description: The user using a giant folding fan or giant fan will swing it towards the enemy summoning a gust of wind that then takes the form of a net and slices through the opponent. A standard user can perform this technique by using a sequence of 5 hand seals.

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[Vasto Lordé]

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have two scrolls one aligned horizontally across my back, and one in a vertically inclined position also on my back. I have one sword to sheathed to my left hip.

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As you appear mid range form me, I manipulate my chakra and cause a huge white whale to appear three inches above you, the greater part of the whale is not directed to your head only from 'chest' and above will hit your head, the remaining part of the whale will be towards your back side direction.
As the whale is created I swiftly cause a pond to emerge beneath you, the pond forms into a dragon that will send you upward and cause you to loose your balance. This also prevents you from attempting escape via earth techniques, or via wind techniques such as hurricane fist since if you used it to move backwards you will het hit by the body of the whale, and if you used it to move forwards then you will counter my next move. It also prevents the usage of lightning techniques. Thus you will be basically restricted to fire techniques and ninjutsu.
Now as soon as I create the dragon of water, I instantly perform five hand seals and release a net made up of compressed wind chakra, the net won't serve much of an offensive technique, unless you managed to move forwards. Which will be extremely hard due to the close proximity of the whale, and the water dragon. And the net is formed quickly due to faster hand seals for wind element.

Spoiler

(Hyouton: Ikkaku Hakugei) Ice Release: One Horned White Whale
Rank: B
Type: Attack/Defense
Range: Short-Long
Chakra Cost: 20
Damage: 40
Description: A humongous white whale with a single horn made out of ice will be made. The whale can crash into a target using its large horn or simply its massive size, or it can serve defensive purposes; its large size making it capable of blocking any attack that it is capable of withstanding.

(Suiton: Suiryū Kōbaku ) - Water Release: Water Dragon Biting Explosion
Rank: A
Type: Offensive
Range: Short - Long
Chakra cost: 30
Damage points: 60
Description: The user creates a large pool of water that gushes upwards lifting the opponent into the air, after firing the enemy into the air, the user shoots numerous water bullets at them from the pool of water and then finishes by forming the water bullets into a water dragon which attacks the target, sending them crashing into the ground.

(Fūton: Kakeami no Jutsu) - Wind Release: Cast Net Technique
Rank: A
Type: Offensive, Supplementary
Range: Short - Long
Chakra cost: 30
Damage points: 60
Description: The user using a giant folding fan or giant fan will swing it towards the enemy summoning a gust of wind that then takes the form of a net and slices through the opponent. A standard user can perform this technique by using a sequence of 5 hand seals.

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Lmao that gay a$$ font...
Anyway "I am L" in sig, no katana no nothing, please post your CJ thread Link on your next move like a good puppy

I simply don't see how it's possible that a HUGE whale can appear 3 inches above me o-O. I'd like to take a Mod opinion on this.

 

[Ryūjin]

My eyes x_x

It's not an invalid usage of the technique, though, it was shown in the "filler" used from a source of Ice, but it was probably because the users of the technique didn't really have the Ice KG itself, but they could simply manipulate pre-existing Ice with chakra, at the time the there's nothing that says it can't be made in the air, so by manipulating the water molecules along with the wind, it's possible to make it in the air, although i dislike the usage, i'll talk with Scorps to edit that.

 

[Vayne]

<_> Fine I will change the font >_>

And thanks Dante

 

[Vasto Lordé]

My eyes x_x

It's not an invalid usage of the technique, though, it was shown in the "filler" used from a source of Ice, but it was probably because the users of the technique didn't really have the Ice KG itself, but they could simply manipulate pre-existing Ice with chakra, at the time the there's nothing that says it can't be made in the air, so by manipulating the water molecules along with the wind, it's possible to make it in the air, although i dislike the usage, i'll talk with Scorps to edit that.

3 inches = 7 centimeters, Taking the weight and gravity into consideration, a person has literally less than a second to react to that huge whale .-.

I probably have a counter for it, but just saying.

 

[Vayne]

3 inches = 7 centimeters, Taking the weight and gravity into consideration, a person has literally less than a second to react to that huge whale .-.

I probably have a counter for it, but just saying.

Yosh Basically you need S/T .-.

 

[Vasto Lordé]

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have two scrolls one aligned horizontally across my back, and one in a vertically inclined position also on my back. I have one sword to sheathed to my left hip.

---

As you appear mid range form me, I manipulate my chakra and cause a huge white whale to appear three inches above you, the greater part of the whale is not directed to your head only from 'chest' and above will hit your head, the remaining part of the whale will be towards your back side direction.
As the whale is created I swiftly cause a pond to emerge beneath you, the pond forms into a dragon that will send you upward and cause you to loose your balance. This also prevents you from attempting escape via earth techniques, or via wind techniques such as hurricane fist since if you used it to move backwards you will het hit by the body of the whale, and if you used it to move forwards then you will counter my next move. It also prevents the usage of lightning techniques. Thus you will be basically restricted to fire techniques and ninjutsu.
Now as soon as I create the dragon of water, I instantly perform five hand seals and release a net made up of compressed wind chakra, the net won't serve much of an offensive technique, unless you managed to move forwards. Which will be extremely hard due to the close proximity of the whale, and the water dragon. And the net is formed quickly due to faster hand seals for wind element.

Spoiler

(Hyouton: Ikkaku Hakugei) Ice Release: One Horned White Whale
Rank: B
Type: Attack/Defense
Range: Short-Long
Chakra Cost: 20
Damage: 40
Description: A humongous white whale with a single horn made out of ice will be made. The whale can crash into a target using its large horn or simply its massive size, or it can serve defensive purposes; its large size making it capable of blocking any attack that it is capable of withstanding.

(Suiton: Suiryū Kōbaku ) - Water Release: Water Dragon Biting Explosion
Rank: A
Type: Offensive
Range: Short - Long
Chakra cost: 30
Damage points: 60
Description: The user creates a large pool of water that gushes upwards lifting the opponent into the air, after firing the enemy into the air, the user shoots numerous water bullets at them from the pool of water and then finishes by forming the water bullets into a water dragon which attacks the target, sending them crashing into the ground.

(Fūton: Kakeami no Jutsu) - Wind Release: Cast Net Technique
Rank: A
Type: Offensive, Supplementary
Range: Short - Long
Chakra cost: 30
Damage points: 60
Description: The user using a giant folding fan or giant fan will swing it towards the enemy summoning a gust of wind that then takes the form of a net and slices through the opponent. A standard user can perform this technique by using a sequence of 5 hand seals.

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As L notices the Huge whale that is forming above him, and as the ground begins to soften, he quickly raises his hand while channeling earth chakra to it making the whale incredibly light weighed, and as the whale finishes forming on top of L's hand a water bursts from the ground sends him flying along with the whale into the air. The same time you begin to perform the next set of handseals, L throws the super light weighed whale down in an angle towards you while infusing it with a lightning based chakra that causes the whale to become electrified. As L begins to drop back down he makes the Boar → Tiger handseals and creates a Mud swamp below you that covers 4 meters radius around you trapping you and restricting your movement.

(Doton: Chōkeijūgan no Jutsu) - Earth Release: Earth Release: Super Light-Weight Rock Technique
Rank: S
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 40
Damage poitns: N/A
Description: A more advanced version of the Earth Release: Light-Weight Rock Technique, in which the user drastically decreases the weight of any object in direct physical contact, but to a much greater extent than that of the original ability. The user if using this technique on a incoming object would still be affected by the momentum of the force but will not gain full damage due to drastically decreasing the weight.
Note: The Initial effects last for 1 turn before the weight of the mass is returned to normal.

(Raiton: Kangekiha) – Lightning Release: Wave of Inspiration
Rank: B
Type: Offensive
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra cost: 25
Damage point: 30 (normally) 50 (when used in conjunction with water technique)
Description: After using a Water Style technique, the user releases a wave of electricity that can electrocute any water within range, electrocuting and knocking back an opponent in contact with the water. When used without a water technique, its power is moderate. The technique can be used extremely quickly, so that it finishes almost in conjunction with the previous jutsu.

(Doton: Yomi Numa) - Earth Style: Swamp of the Underworld
Rank: A
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short/Long
Chakra Cost: 30
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user will first perform Boar → Tiger and then by changing the surface of an object beneath an enemy into mud and creating a non flammable swamp, the user can sink his enemy into the mud. The adhesive, chakra-infused mud ensnares the enemy's body, making it almost impossible to recover one's strength and escape from the swamp. The size and depth of the created swamp depends on the user's skill and the amount of chakra used, but if the user is an expert in this technique, it will always be possible to make a fair-sized swamp which is extremely effective against a great number of enemies or when having to face gigantic creatures.

 

[Vayne]

As L notices the Huge whale that is forming above him, and as the ground begins to soften, he quickly raises his hand while channeling earth chakra to it making the whale incredibly light weighed, and as the whale finishes forming on top of L's hand a water bursts from the ground sends him flying along with the whale into the air. The same time you begin to perform the next set of handseals, L throws the super light weighed whale down in an angle towards you while infusing it with a lightning based chakra that causes the whale to become electrified. As L begins to drop back down he makes the Boar → Tiger handseals and creates a Mud swamp below you that covers 4 meters radius around you trapping you and restricting your movement.

(Doton: Chōkeijūgan no Jutsu) - Earth Release: Earth Release: Super Light-Weight Rock Technique
Rank: S
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 40
Damage poitns: N/A
Description: A more advanced version of the Earth Release: Light-Weight Rock Technique, in which the user drastically decreases the weight of any object in direct physical contact, but to a much greater extent than that of the original ability. The user if using this technique on a incoming object would still be affected by the momentum of the force but will not gain full damage due to drastically decreasing the weight.
Note: The Initial effects last for 1 turn before the weight of the mass is returned to normal.

(Raiton: Kangekiha) – Lightning Release: Wave of Inspiration
Rank: B
Type: Offensive
Range: Short-Mid
Chakra cost: 25
Damage point: 30 (normally) 50 (when used in conjunction with water technique)
Description: After using a Water Style technique, the user releases a wave of electricity that can electrocute any water within range, electrocuting and knocking back an opponent in contact with the water. When used without a water technique, its power is moderate. The technique can be used extremely quickly, so that it finishes almost in conjunction with the previous jutsu.

(Doton: Yomi Numa) - Earth Style: Swamp of the Underworld
Rank: A
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short/Long
Chakra Cost: 30
Damage Points: N/A
Description: The user will first perform Boar → Tiger and then by changing the surface of an object beneath an enemy into mud and creating a non flammable swamp, the user can sink his enemy into the mud. The adhesive, chakra-infused mud ensnares the enemy's body, making it almost impossible to recover one's strength and escape from the swamp. The size and depth of the created swamp depends on the user's skill and the amount of chakra used, but if the user is an expert in this technique, it will always be possible to make a fair-sized swamp which is extremely effective against a great number of enemies or when having to face gigantic creatures.

*Cough* Doesn't agree*cough*
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As I notice you holding the whale, i instantly deduce that this is due to some technique, so I manipulate the water dragon(I dont do the Wind anymore) and cause it to hit your legs thus causing you to flip backwards, this not only causes you to drop the whale, it also causes you to fall down.
I then cause several Earth spikes to emerge the spikes will impale you.

(Doton: Kujo Joushou Iwa Chuuseki) - Earth Release: Destructive Rising Rock Pillars
Rank: A
Type: Offensive
Range: Long
Chakra cost: 30
Damage points: 60
Description: This jutsu causes gigantic pillars of rock to forcefully emerge from the ground. This is a even greater scaled Earth Release: Rising Spikes and is large enough to impale a summoning technique.

 

[Vasto Lordé]

*Cough* Doesn't agree*cough*
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As I notice you holding the whale, i instantly deduce that this is due to some technique, so I manipulate the water dragon(I dont do the Wind anymore) and cause it to hit your legs thus causing you to flip backwards, this not only causes you to drop the whale, it also causes you to fall down.
I then cause several Earth spikes to emerge the spikes will impale you.

(Doton: Kujo Joushou Iwa Chuuseki) - Earth Release: Destructive Rising Rock Pillars
Rank: A
Type: Offensive
Range: Long
Chakra cost: 30
Damage points: 60
Description: This jutsu causes gigantic pillars of rock to forcefully emerge from the ground. This is a even greater scaled Earth Release: Rising Spikes and is large enough to impale a summoning technique.

As the water dragon hits my legs and I flip backwards the whale leaves my hand as it is very light, as I begin to fall I turn my head to the right ( your left ) and breath out a stream of wind in an angle that shoots me down to the left side, thus allowing me to dodge the spikes and landing safely on the ground away from the whale.

(Fūton: Kaze Ogawa no Jutsu) - Wind Release: Wind Stream Technique
Rank: D
Type: Supplementary
Range: Short
Chakra cost: 10
Damage points: N/A
Description: This technique allows the user to change direction in mid-air at high speeds by simply blowing wind out their mouth. The user can also use this technique by blowing it at the ground and causing a dust cloud to rise, concealing the users location and movement.

As soon as I land on the ground I inhale and exhale a large sphere of wind that travels towards you in great a speed, then I make a single handseal and create a small tremor that causes you to fall off balance not giving you enough time to react to the wind sphere.

(Fūton: Atsugai) - Wind Style: Pressure Damage
Rank: A
Type:Attack
Range:Short-Mid
Chakra Cost:30
Damage Points:60
Description: A Huge blast of wind that levels anything in its path; Can cause major damage and requires a sufficient chakra level to perform. This large wind blast moves in tremendous speed and cannot be controlled. If the user gets caught in it, it will harm him also.

(Doton: Yochi no Douyou) - Earth Release: World Shaking
Rank: C
Type: Offensive
Range: Short - Mid
Chakra cost: 15
Damage points: 30
Description: The user will concentrate and release their chakra into the ground to create a small tremer that can result in harming the enemy target.

 

[Vayne]

As You exhale the wind in order to move to avoid the spikes I Take out the scroll that was vertically inclined on my back and open it, as I open it a dragon made up of fire emerges and heads towards you.
I then slam my hands on the ground after performing the hand seals and cause a earth dragon to emerge with me in it's head.
Then I also create a ice dragon while I am on the earth one, the ice dragon will 'stand' towards my left.

(Katon: Bakuryūgeki) - Fire Release: Exploding Dragon Strike
Rank: S
Type: Offensive
Range: Short - Mid
Chakra cost: 40
Damage points: 80
Description: The user through use of one their scrolls will summon a large flame dragon that is directed towards the enemy target and explodes upon impact.

(Doton: Dosenkiryū) – Earth Release: Earth and Stone Dragon Technique
Rank: S
Type: Offensive
Range: Short – Long (Made short range of the user with a long range reach)
Chakra cost: 40
Damage points: 80
Description: The user after performing the required hand seals Horse → Dog → Bird → Ox → Snake will create a large dragon of earth erupt from the ground and direct it towards the enemy with devastating force. This technique much resembles the Water Release: Water Dragon technique.

(Hyouton: Kokuryū Bōfūsetsu) Ice Release: Black Dragon Blizzard
Rank: A
Type: Attack
Range: Short-Long
Chakra Cost: 30
Damage: 60
Description: The user will make a giant ether-like dragon of black snow. The dragon is capable of turning while in mid-air, and is therefore unable to be dodged. If it hits the opponent successfully, they will be launched high into the air afterwards.

If you continue with the wind the fire dragon will continue towards you in a weakened state + you will probably stagger from the impact of both techs. If not then hurr durr what happens happens

 

[Vasto Lordé]

As I see the fire dragon heading towards me, I perform 3 handseals and as I'm about to land on the ground, I pound my stomach and spit out a big and fast wind bullet that hits your fire and causes it to explode into flames as you make the other two dragons. I then use the explosion to my advantage and perform the tiger > Dog handseals and exhale a huge wind sphere that travels towards you, and goes right through the flames thus creating a Flaming wind sphere that heads towards you fast.

(Fūton: Renkuudan) - Wind Style: Drilling Wind Bullet
Rank: A
Type:Attack
Range:Short-Long
Chakra Cost:30
Damage Points:60
Description: Originally Gaara's technique, different characters will need to perform handseals in order to imbue the large amount of chakra needed into thier lungs. The user will then pound thier stomach to increase the pressure as they release a huge spiraling sphere of wind, which is strong enough to do major damage to even a Summoning like Gamabunta.

(Fūton: Shinkū Taigyoku) – Wind Release: Vacuum Great Sphere
Rank: S
Type: Attack
Range: Short – Mid
Chakra cost: 40
Damage points: 80
Description: After performing two hand seals Tiger → Dog the user launches a stronger version of the Wind Release: Vacuum Sphere technique, where the user instead chooses to compress the entirety of the previously inhaled breath into a single large, crushing sphere of wind chakra that they then proceed to expel from their mouth.

I then channel my wind chakra into the sky, making it stormy and create an F5 tornado that comes crashing down on your head slashing you to bits.

(Fūton: Tatsuno Ooshigoto) - Wind Style: Severing Pressure
Rank: A
Type:Attack
Range:Short-Mid
Chakra Cost:30
Damage Points:60
Description: The user sends wind into the sky to darken the clouds and make the environment stormy. These clouds will create a cutting tornado that comes down as a F-5 tornado with slicing wind.

 

[Blizzàrd1]

My eyes x_x

It's not an invalid usage of the technique, though, it was shown in the "filler" used from a source of Ice, but it was probably because the users of the technique didn't really have the Ice KG itself, but they could simply manipulate pre-existing Ice with chakra, at the time the there's nothing that says it can't be made in the air, so by manipulating the water molecules along with the wind, it's possible to make it in the air, although i dislike the usage, i'll talk with Scorps to edit that.

I am sorry to interrupt, but I just want to make sure you guys know what you are doing wrong and not make mistakes in future battles. I will point out the most prominent mistakes that are bugging me, to start with Beedo lost the fight because of his last move; the order in which the things will happen the fire jutsu will easily overpower the wind causing an explosion that covers mid-range and thus burning Beedo, and then the later technique of stone dragon will end up killing him. But what bugs me more is how the battle started, especially this technique; (Hyouton: Ikkaku Hakugei) Ice Release: One Horned White Whale. I disagree with Dante's opinion to and I think it lacks a lot of things. As being an Ice user and a Maste I have studied the element for a long time and I think I can provide a greater reasoning for the technique. Problems with the technique itself;

• According to my judgement of the movie/fillers the technique was used on a water source, it basically makes the ice submerge inside the water and uses shape manipulation to exactly make a whale with same diving effect as the real whales have.

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• The jutsu itself is used to as a mean to "push" or "destruct" something, and was created raging out from the water and sinking on its target. In my opinion, submerging such huge amount of object or chakra 3 inches above your opponent will be impossible. Even the Stormy Blockade, same rank water jutsu is created at-least 10 meters above the opponent.

• Secondly the jutsu's true effect should be on the water source popping out and sinking on the opponent, or submerging from the earth itself. The way Mangekyo Byakugan used it is not a valid way, but my explanation again is based on the actual use of canon technique.

• Lastly saying that the Nadare Roga (the character; original user) didn't had the KG probably that is why he couldn't make it out of nowhere is again an arguable statement, maybe the technique is so huge that it cannot be quick enough to make ice appear out of nowhere 3 inches above, instead it uses a quick use of water source and sinking ability.

Thats it from me, a good change in the technique will be the following;

(Hyouton: Ikkaku Hakugei) Ice Release: One Horned White Whale
Rank: B
Type: Attack/Defense
Range: Short-Long
Chakra Cost: 20
Damage: 40
Description: A humongous white whale with a single horn made out of ice will be made. The whale can crash into a target using its large horn or simply its massive size, or it can serve defensive purposes; its large size making it capable of blocking any attack that it is capable of withstanding.
Note: Requires a water source to submerge the whale from.

 

[Vayne]

I am sorry to interrupt, but I just want to make sure you guys know what you are doing wrong and not make mistakes in future battles. I will point out the most prominent mistakes that are bugging me, to start with Beedo lost the fight because of his last move; the order in which the things will happen the fire jutsu will easily overpower the wind causing an explosion that covers mid-range and thus burning Beedo, and then the later technique of stone dragon will end up killing him. But what bugs me more is how the battle started, especially this technique; (Hyouton: Ikkaku Hakugei) Ice Release: One Horned White Whale. I disagree with Dante's opinion to and I think it lacks a lot of things. As being an Ice user and a Maste I have studied the element for a long time and I think I can provide a greater reasoning for the technique. Problems with the technique itself;

• According to my judgement of the movie/fillers the technique was used on a water source, it basically makes the ice submerge inside the water and uses shape manipulation to exactly make a whale with same diving effect as the real whales have.

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• The jutsu itself is used to as a mean to "push" or "destruct" something, and was created raging out from the water and sinking on its target. In my opinion, submerging such huge amount of object or chakra 3 inches above your opponent will be impossible. Even the Stormy Blockade, same rank water jutsu is created at-least 10 meters above the opponent.

• Secondly the jutsu's true effect should be on the water source popping out and sinking on the opponent, or submerging from the earth itself. The way Mangekyo Byakugan used it is not a valid way, but my explanation again is based on the actual use of canon technique.

• Lastly saying that the Nadare Roga (the character; original user) didn't had the KG probably that is why he couldn't make it out of nowhere is again an arguable statement, maybe the technique is so huge that it cannot be quick enough to make ice appear out of nowhere 3 inches above, instead it uses a quick use of water source and sinking ability.

Thats it from me, a good change in the technique will be the following;

(Hyouton: Ikkaku Hakugei) Ice Release: One Horned White Whale
Rank: B
Type: Attack/Defense
Range: Short-Long
Chakra Cost: 20
Damage: 40
Description: A humongous white whale with a single horn made out of ice will be made. The whale can crash into a target using its large horn or simply its massive size, or it can serve defensive purposes; its large size making it capable of blocking any attack that it is capable of withstanding.
Note: Requires a water source to submerge the whale from.

Thanks for your input Blizzard.

In my defense I will approach your third/last point of view. That is what caused me to use the technique the way I did, I believe the KG allows you to create in on the filed without a water source.

Now if an update is needed why not make it require three or four hand seals for it to be created, and if someone isn't from the Yuki clan then they should need a water source.

Furthermore when I leaned the technique I didn't use a water source, I simply used the humidity in the air.

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[Blizzàrd1]

Thanks for your input Blizzard.

In my defense I will approach your third/last point of view. That is what caused me to use the technique the way I did, I believe the KG allows you to create in on the filed without a water source.

Now if an update is needed why not make it require three or four hand seals for it to be created, and if someone isn't from the Yuki clan then they should need a water source.

Furthermore when I leaned the technique I didn't use a water source, I simply used the humidity in the air.

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Even when you learned the technique, your teacher, Oraan, who is also an Ice master clearly said;

channel youR Hyouton chakra into the ground and form it into a large white whale using shape manipulation. Picture the whale in your mind and add a long horn that comes out of its head.

 

[BlacKing]

Agrees with Blizzard. Though Dante is right, there is nothing that says that it can't be made in the air, I dont train it that way simply because I dont want arguments like this one to happen as it is a movie technique only. In fact I'll also get with Scorps and see if he will allow both me and Blizzard and hopefully some input from Zanji and Riku as well to edit the techniques appropriately.

But Like I said in training, it should come out of the ground or even a water source. But if Dante says it's fine for now then continue as is and well discuss it separately out of this thread.

 

[Vayne]

And I said:

*I start of by opening the chakra points in my body focus on the ice element chakra I release it through the ground and the air I use the humidity in the air and my chakra to form the upper part of the whale I use the water in the ground to form the lower part of the whale this happens in unison the whale other than it's normal characteristics and uniqueness has a huge horn on it's head*

And based on the continuation based on that, it is safe to assume that it can be formed from the humidity in the air.

Edit: Well if that is what you say Oraan, then I agree, simply because you were the one whom trained me, and that was a misconception from my part.

 

[Blizzàrd1]

Agrees with Blizzard. Though Dante is right, there is nothing that says that it can't be made in the air, I dont train it that way simply because I dont want arguments like this one to happen as it is a movie technique only. In fact I'll also get with Scorps and see if he will allow both me and Blizzard and hopefully some input from Zanji and Riku as well to edit the techniques appropriately.

But Like I said in training, it should come out of the ground or even a water source. But if Dante says it's fine for now then continue as is and well discuss it separately out of this thread.

And I said:

And based on the continuation based on that, it is safe to assume that it can be formed from the humidity in the air.

I agree with Oraan, this use of the jutsu is arguable, and I am not here to argue. Just wanted to point out that the technique needs changes as Oraan suggested. ^^

 

[Ryūjin]

Not this again.

Blizzard, i don't care if you disagree or not, we don't use fillers as a source, our only source is the manga, if it's not performed in the manga which it's not, we take the description of the technique as a source, nothing says it can't be used like that, nothing says it comes from a water source or the ground, so you can make it come from the air or the ground, though not as close as MB attempted to make it, i'd say 10 meters far due to the scale of the technique, we have techniques that come out of the sky like the Sticky Earth Drop, Earth Dome, etc they don't fall from above the opponent by 3 inches, that's just overusing your techniques.

If you want to use fillers as a source then ok, let me tell you the way it's used in the filler, you have to use a source of Ice "pre-existing Ice", no it doesn't come out of the ground or come out of water, because it was used through chakra manipulation alone, they only used their chakra to form the whale's shape from the existing Ice, they don't have the Ice Kekkei Genkai, that's why Kakashi was capable of copying it as well.

You can make Ice from the thin air using the Kekkei Genkai of the Yuki clan, you don't have to use a source for it, it's different from Fire or lightning which has to be a source for either of them, when nothing says it's not made from the ground in the technique's description, then it can be, though i'll talk with Scorps and clarify it a bit more, there was no reason for you to post when i already posted my judgment, the fight continued so leave it be, and MB like it or not, the defense he made to the Ice Whale was valid.

As for the last move, this dragon technique explodes on impact with a solid object, the wind having that amount of pressure would be capable of causing the fire to explode, it could be argued that it would continue after being hit by the pressure damage, so i'll leave that up to the fighter to decide upon themselves.

 

[Blizzàrd1]

Not this again.

Blizzard, i don't care if you disagree or not, we don't use fillers as a source, our only source is the manga, if it's not performed in the manga which it's not, we take the description of the technique as a source, nothing says it can't be used like that, nothing says it comes from a water source or the ground, so you can make it come from the air or the ground, though not as close as MB attempted to make it, i'd say 10 meters far due to the scale of the technique, we have techniques that come out of the sky like the Sticky Earth Drop, Earth Dome, etc they don't fall from above the opponent by 3 inches, that's just overusing your techniques.

If you want to use fillers as a source then ok, let me tell you the way it's used in the filler, you have to use a source of Ice "pre-existing Ice", no it doesn't come out of the ground or come out of water, because it was used through chakra manipulation alone, they only used their chakra to form the whale's shape from the existing Ice, they don't have the Ice Kekkei Genkai, that's why Kakashi was capable of copying it as well.

You can make Ice from the thin air using the Kekkei Genkai of the Yuki clan, you don't have to use a source for it, it's different from Fire or lightning which has to be a source for either of them, when nothing says it's not made from the ground in the technique's description, then it can be, though i'll talk with Scorps and clarify it a bit more, there was no reason for you to post when i already posted my judgment, the fight continued so leave it be, and MB like it or not, the defense he made to the Ice Whale was valid.

As for the last move, this dragon technique explodes on impact with a solid object, the wind having that amount of pressure would be capable of causing the fire to explode, it could be argued that it would continue after being hit by the pressure damage, so i'll leave that up to the fighter to decide upon themselves.

Lol calm down, I never said anything related to the fight, and like you said the use of creating it three inches above the opponent is sort of misuse, which is what I pointed out in my read. And all in all I was talking about the bold part in your post (quote) that if its 10 meters it will be nice to have it stated inside the move to avoid arguments. Believe it or not it is quite vague, because the actual use of the technique was creating from bottom, whale rising and sinking over the opponent to cause damage. But according to the description and like you said it can be created anywhere, which is vague. If it was added in the technique, maybe a proper use, it will be much appreciated. ^^

 

[Ryūjin]

Lol calm down, I never said anything related to the fight, and like you said the use of creating it three inches above the opponent is sort of misuse, which is what I pointed out in my read. And all in all I was talking about the bold part in your post (quote) that if its 10 meters it will be nice to have it stated inside the move to avoid arguments. Believe it or not it is quite vague, because the actual use of the technique was creating from bottom, whale rising and sinking over the opponent to cause damage. But according to the description and like you said it can be created anywhere, which is vague. If it was added in the technique, maybe a proper use, it will be much appreciated. ^^

That's why i said i'm going to talk to Scorps and clarify the technique a bit more, i realize the description is vague lol, and i'm not really mad or anything, that's just how i talk when i'm sleepy, don't worry about it xd Dante needs a nap like seriously >_>

Now to the participants of the fight, do you want to continue the fight or should i just close the thread? o_o