Vasto Lorde and Arrancar

[Zanji]

Alright I have been thinking lately, about the levels of Hollows then I started thinking of the Vasto Lorde class Menos, and the Arrancar. Now we know the most powerful Arrancar's are those that became one after achieving Vasto Lorde as a regular Menos. The obvious Arrancar's that were a Vasto Lorde were the top 3-4 Espada, Tier Hallibel, Barragan Luisenbairn, and Coyote Starrk, I would even go as far as saying that Ulquiorra Cifer may have been one as well.

But then Starrk popped back into my head, now we have seen what Tier Hallibel looked like as a Vasto Lorde (the only confirmed Espada to have been a Vasto Lorde) before she meet Aizen, We have seen what Barragan even looked like before he meet Aizen, and only one picture of what Ulquiorra looked like. But Starrk, we haven't what we saw of him before he meet Aizen was what he looked like before he uses his Resurreccion Los Lobos. Now what I am thinking is that Starrk is a self made Arrancar. Think of it, before he became Stark and Lilynette, he was (obviously) a Vasto Lorde hollow whose spiritual pressure was so powerful that weaker hollows couldn't survive being around him and just....died, and he was getting jealous of all the other hollows being able to congregate and be in groups with one another yet he was unable to so he became jealous and "lonely" so he split his soul into two different beings (removed his mask essentially) so he could become weaker. The two promised never to leave each other again, but yet their spiritual pressure was still so powerful that weaker hollows still died by just being around the two of them, thus what made Aizen very interested in the them. Also if I recall correctly every time we saw Starrk and Lilynette together (except for the war in Fake Karakura Town), we never saw anyone else near/around them, thus meaning others still couldn't be around them without dying from their spiritual pressure, especially the Fraccion.

Now the purpose of this thread is to see if any of you agree with my theory on the top 4 being at least a Vasto Lorde class menos before becoming an Arrancar/Espada, and also if you agree with my Theory on Starrk being a self made Arrancar.

 

[ONE TIME ONE PLACE]

1. yes they are vasto lordes
2. maybe ive never thought about it. actually they didn't have swords before they met aizen so no, well I think they didn't anyways.

 

[Vasto Lordé]

You called 0-0 ?

OT: only Hallibel was confirmed to be a Vasto Lorde class, and I believe Ulq was definitely one, he was the only one with a second release that even Aizen didn't know about, so the number 4 on him is just a number.
I actually agree about Starrk and the reason I'm not arguing about Hallibel is that Kubo confirmed it himself but TBH she's obviously not U_U. Now Barragan is strong "The king of Las Noches" and all, I might have to agree about him being a Vasto Lorde. But good points on Starrk I liked those, and I hope he makes a comeback in this Arc.

Simply put depending on how I see it:
1. Starrk: Yes very plausible.
2. Hallibel: No but oh well.
3. Barragan: might be.
4. Ulq: definitely.

 

[Zanji]

2. maybe ive never thought about it. actually they didn't have swords before they met aizen so no, well I think they didn't anyways.

That was the difference with Starrk and Lilynette from every other Arrancar/Espada. His power was so great that when the others split their power between Body and Sword, he split his between Body and body (both of which had swords that could be used against other Zanpaktou's but were nothing more than swords).

 

[TenzaZangetsu]

I think all espada except Aaroniero were vasto-lordes..
Good points about Stark..

 

[Vasto Lordé]

That's not true, remember when Toshiro said that if Aizen had 10 Vasto Lorde level Arrancars he could've took down Soul Society so that means no only a few I say two were Vasto Lorde Levels, Starrk and Ulq.

 

[Zanji]

Alright a Vasto Lorde is the smallest of the menos class hollow, about the size of a human, as well as the closest resemblance (I believe) so in the Espada/Arrancar case. Their releases would come into this and the only ones that looked "most" human were the top 4 Ulquiorra, Hallibel, Barragan, and Starrk. The other six were close.....but not close enough (especially not Aaroniero and Yammy they weren't small in any means), Grimmjow and Nnoitra were close but too......different, Grimmjow was too much of an....animal crossover, while Nnoitra....far too many arms and a few other things I can't think of atm xd

Uquiorra - Very similar to a human just a unique head piece and wings, but his Segunda Etapa state had a more.....animalistic appearance. But still very close to a human (aside from the horns, wings and tail)

Hallibel - Very close to a female warrior wearing very skimpy armor.

Barragan - Human skeleton, simple as that, and thats all he was lol

Starrk - Wild West gunman, with a unique eye patch.

I did research on the hollow hole and the top 3 espada'sholes apparently filled up. But then again the hole in their chests, abdomen, throat, or even there head is just the missing souls of hollows.

 

[Vasto Lordé]

Yes I understand where you're coming from but look at the power side. Harribel got saved by Aizen from a normal hollow, Like Vasto Lorde are the highest hollow Rank, and not even they can take on "Normal" Aizen ? They did get a power boost that's for sure after they got recruited. So take away that fact and leave them in Hueco Mundo alone they will get killed by normal hollows. Either Vasto Lorde are really weak or Kubo simply had an issue with his plot. I believe that Ichigo full hollow mode was the closest thing to a Vasto Lorde, Take Harribel VS Ichigo instead of Ulq, well you'll get total annihilation. Like if Ichigo wasn't a Vasto Lorde in that mode, then what was he ?

As for the Appearance part alone, I agree, why ? well it's said to become a Vasto Lorde you need to feed on other hollows, Grimmjow did that but never managed to succeed, i believe it's due to his "inhuman" shape, being a leopard and all. I believe if it was someone else let's say for an example Nnoitra, even with his arms, doing what Grimmjow did then he would've become one.

My theory is almost the same as you, that to become a Vasto Lorde you need to be a Human with hollow powers or the closest thing to it, Where I differ with you is when you become one. If I'm right then it's either a one in a million chance where once you die by an arrancar/hollow you have a chance to become a Vasto Lorde. Take for example the Visored's although they seemed weak against Aizen they were really powerful, the reason IMO why they didn't become Vast Lorde's is the fact that they didn't die.
Like to be more clear. Ichigo had Hollow powers before, and once he died he became what he is, the Visored's had hollow powers too but didn't die so that kept them from fully transforming into what Ichigo had transformed into. But I don't know just my POV on this subject.

 

[Zanji]

Yes I understand where you're coming from but look at the power side. Harribel got saved by Aizen from a normal hollow, Like Vasto Lorde are the highest hollow Rank, and not even they can take on "Normal" Aizen ? They did get a power boost that's for sure after they got recruited. So take away that fact and leave them in Hueco Mundo alone they will get killed by normal hollows. Either Vasto Lorde are really weak or Kubo simply had an issue with his plot. I believe that Ichigo full hollow mode was the closest thing to a Vasto Lorde, Take Harribel VS Ichigo instead of Ulq, well you'll get total annihilation. Like if Ichigo wasn't a Vasto Lorde in that mode, then what was he ?

As for the Appearance part alone, I agree, why ? well it's said to become a Vasto Lorde you need to feed on other hollows, Grimmjow did that but never managed to succeed, i believe it's due to his "inhuman" shape, being a leopard and all. I believe if it was someone else let's say for an example Nnoitra, even with his arms, doing what Grimmjow did then he would've become one.

My theory is almost the same as you, that to become a Vasto Lorde you need to be a Human with hollow powers or the closest thing to it, Where I differ with you is when you become one. If I'm right then it's either a one in a million chance where once you die by an arrancar/hollow you have a chance to become a Vasto Lorde. Take for example the Visored's although they seemed weak against Aizen they were really powerful, the reason IMO why they didn't become Vast Lorde's is the fact that they didn't die.
Like to be more clear. Ichigo had Hollow powers before, and once he died he became what he is, the Visored's had hollow powers too but didn't die so that kept them from fully transforming into what Ichigo had transformed into. But I don't know just my POV on this subject.

I think you missed what I was saying completely Also Hallibel's flash back only appeared in the anime (if I remember right) while Baragan and Starrks were in the manga. Also I did research on that "normal" hollow that Aizen saved her from, and apparently it was another "vasto lorde" or an "arrancar" so I would see where she would have problems.

But the reason Grimmjow wasn't able to continue on in his evolution is well I think because he may have gotten his mask damaged at some point, also we never saw the meeting between him an Aizen so officially we don't know what the highest level he made it to.

My theory on how a Hollow becomes a Vasto Lorde is that, an Adjuchas has to eat not only hollows but hollows of the same rank, or even higher in rank to be able to feel their power grow. Also I believe the reason a Vasto Lorde is the "smallest" of the menos class is because they learned to control their power (much like a soul reaper with their zanpaktou with Isshin's description of power)

Everybody believes and considers that complete form of Shirosaki (Hollow Ichigo) to be a Vasto Lorde. But also none of us know exactly what Ichigo truly is

 

[Vasto Lordé]

I think you missed what I was saying completely Also Hallibel's flash back only appeared in the anime (if I remember right) while Baragan and Starrks were in the manga. Also I did research on that "normal" hollow that Aizen saved her from, and apparently it was another "vasto lorde" or an "arrancar" so I would see where she would have problems.

But the reason Grimmjow wasn't able to continue on in his evolution is well I think because he may have gotten his mask damaged at some point, also we never saw the meeting between him an Aizen so officially we don't know what the highest level he made it to.

My theory on how a Hollow becomes a Vasto Lorde is that, an Adjuchas has to eat not only hollows but hollows of the same rank, or even higher in rank to be able to feel their power grow. Also I believe the reason a Vasto Lorde is the "smallest" of the menos class is because they learned to control their power (much like a soul reaper with their zanpaktou with Isshin's description of power)

Everybody believes and considers that complete form of Shirosaki (Hollow Ichigo) to be a Vasto Lorde. But also none of us know exactly what Ichigo truly is

Yeah true, Hallibel's scene was in the anime anime, I've corrected my info that hollow was a Hammerhead Arrancar, apparently a really strong Hollow, but to assume that a higher level hollow can't beat him just raises doubts about her being a Vasto Lorde or not for anime watchers ( me ). But since it wasn't shown in the manga then I'd assume it never happened or have been mistreated.

As for Grimmjow's mask then I can only assume that might be the case, or as you say in your theory. I think it's only reasonable to believe that if an Adjuchas managed to eat an Arracnar or even a Vasto Lorde by some chance then he'd evolve into a "higher" state, a higher form due to the enormous amount of reiatsu he'd get.

Yeah on that last part, you must've seen the amount of theories on his mother being a Quincy, and other things too for this Arc and why his Bankai didn't get sealed and all, anyway I hope Kubo keep this Arc going like this, it's getting really interesting especially with these accused deaths. ( Byakuya, Kenny, and Kira. )