Vanderreich @ Aizens lvl?

[Aze]

Too be honest I don't know they are obviously stronger than most of the Espada's that is certain but since we don't know much about the Vandenreich's abilities other than what Kirge has....had shown us. That old man gunslinger took out one of Shunsui's eyes without as much of a problem.

In the Winter War against the Espada's most of the Captain's began their fights without their Shikai active, but this time every single Captain and Lieutenant went into these fights with their Shikai's active. Yama-Jii's Lieutenant went Bankai against the Vandenreich on their initial invasion and ended up having it stolen and seemingly used against him.

Kira - Was able to fight against one of Luisenbarn's men and managed to defeat him, but this time he was OHK by one of the head Sternritter (possibly the leader of that group).

The main thing that interests me is who are the 5 the Vandenreich are worried about and can't steal their bankai's (other than Kurosaki)

But as for the question I saw most of them are possibly close to the power of Aizen (up to his crystallized form) Reason being is Kirge is obviously not as strong as the Sternritter group, A few of the Sternritters are easily overwhelming the captains (even if they stole the bankai's) and when you look at the fight with Kisuke + Yoroichi + Isshin vs Aizen, they couldn't stand up to Crystal Aizen (Although none of them went Shikai against him) While it took both Kurosaki and Urahara to take down Kirge even for a little while. It took mystery man to take Kirge out. So therefore the Vandenreich are close to Aizen level in power, well up to at least crystal aizen

That's a good observation.



Well , Ichigo outmatched Kirge in hes released form , without taking no effort at all , Ichigo as a Hollow against sternritters , Medium difficulty?

 

[Zanji]

That's a good observation.



Well , Ichigo outmatched Kirge in hes released form , without taking no effort at all , Ichigo as a Hollow against sternritters , Medium difficulty?

Now that is a loaded question are you talking about Vasto Lorde Shirosaki (the Hollow version of Ichigo while fighting Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra)

or

New Mask Ichigo (though we didn't see too much of that all we saw was him blast that big idiot into the ground with ease)

If your talking about VL Shirosaki then he would be able to hold his own to a degree but would eventually be beaten. Since he cannot control his actions, and I am certain the Vandenreich somehow have intel on that form (quite possibly from Uryu (yes I think he may have leaked info out about Ichigo))

 

[Lentz]

Shinigami could actually turn to Aizen for help if they continue getting owned. If Kubo plays it right, this might become quite interesting.

 

[Aze]

Now that is a loaded question are you talking about Vasto Lorde Shirosaki (the Hollow version of Ichigo while fighting Segunda Etapa Ulquiorra)

or

New Mask Ichigo (though we didn't see too much of that all we saw was him blast that big idiot into the ground with ease)

If your talking about VL Shirosaki then he would be able to hold his own to a degree but would eventually be beaten. Since he cannot control his actions, and I am certain the Vandenreich somehow have intel on that form (quite possibly from Uryu (yes I think he may have leaked info out about Ichigo))

I mean , that hes possbile "current" Hollow Transformation (if possible , but idk).

But If Ichigo could controll Vasto Lorde transformation , then he could fight @ medium difficulty on the strongest sternritter and easy difficulty on the others.

And Buckbeard @ Hard difficulty most likely.


Any thoughts about Ichigos F-GT mode? Easy , Medium , Hard difficulty when fighting Sternritters?

 

[Zanji]

I mean , that hes possbile "current" Hollow Transformation (if possible , but idk).

But If Ichigo could controll Vasto Lorde transformation , then he could fight @ medium difficulty on the strongest sternritter and easy difficulty on the others.

And Buckbeard @ Hard difficulty most likely.


Any thoughts about Ichigos F-GT mode? Easy , Medium , Hard difficulty when fighting Sternritters?

Well I dunno for the possible current transformation it would be crazy but he may not be able to any longer. Due to his Zangetsu and Shirosaki fusing back together.

But with controlling the Vasto Lorde state, med difficulty with the Sternritters

vs Buckbeard Very Hard difficulty

Final Getsuga Tenshou Easy-Medium difficulty considering he only has one attack with that mode

 

[RokuNR]

I wouldn't put the Sternritters at Aizen's level. Most of them seem to pretty much be a bit above Captain level, with some being stronger than others obviously (such as the old man gunslinger who is fighting against Shunsui). Hogyoku Aizen was so far the strongest villain in Bleach so far. It will take a little while before we get anything back up to his level (probably from Buckbeard, though, or maybe Bankai Yamamoto =P)

At the very least, however, Buckbeard should easily be stronger than Shinigami Aizen (and probably even first stage Hogyoku Aizen). Considering the fact that Yamamoto failed to kill him 1000 years ago, Buckbeard seems like he could easily stomp anyone he wants to aside from the strongest characters.

If you're asking if any of the Vanderreich are at Monster Aizen's level, the answer is a definite "no." The villains haven't reached Transcendent territory yet.

 

[home]

no way none of them are anywhere near aizen level, he was able to take down like 10 shinigami and vizard with ease (albeit they were weakened) were as we know that these guys are around captain level otherwise they wouldnt have bothered taking therir bankais and byakuya even said we will need our bankais to win this meaning that the captains could beat them with their bankais. also i am hearing a lot of people say that "one of them was able to take shunsuis eye out" two things firstly that was a shikai shunsui not a full powered shunsui and secondly we have no way of knowing how strong he is in comparison with the others, for all we know he could be the shunsui or ukitake of the group, and be second only to buckbeard meaning that these guys arent really anything special as even the strongest of them has to rely upon a bankai stealing hax weapon. however he could be the soifon of the group meaning that they really are incredible and unless the soul society gets another op lifesaver (like ichigo against aizen) they are looking a bit screwed. so overall it is much to early to judge weather the sternritters or vanderreich are stronger or on the same level as aizen, however i assume they are as generally enemies get stronger as you go through a series

 

[Aze]

Well I dunno for the possible current transformation it would be crazy but he may not be able to any longer. Due to his Zangetsu and Shirosaki fusing back together.

But with controlling the Vasto Lorde state, med difficulty with the Sternritters

vs Buckbeard Very Hard difficulty

Final Getsuga Tenshou Easy-Medium difficulty considering he only has one attack with that mode

Yeah , I think , that the strongest sternritters are familiar with vasto lorde type of transformations and I agree , that it would be Very hard difficulty against Buckbeard most likely.


But F-GT would one hit anyone @ Easy to Medium difficulty , since it's extremely fast and has extremely wide area = only solution to escape it would be teleporting ( but 100 times faster than Aizens Teleportation ).


But I think , that Dangai Ichigo needed some time to prepare F-GT.

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