v1 JJ Obito vs SM Hashirama

[Izanamı.]

If V1 JJ Obito > Juubi and SM Hashirama > V1 JJ Obito does this mean SM Hashirama > Juubi?

 

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- not really.

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- Admit inferiority in power, not in skills and before he knew Senjutsu works on it.

Overwhelming power > skill.

Can't Hashirama steal some of his rikudou chakra? Mokuton hands + Absorbing?

He can only do that through the Wood Dragon. And that gets demolished.

 

[Haizaki]

Juubito wins depending on what he does.

 

[VongolaX]

People are actually retard enough to say Hashirama beats v1 rikudou Obito because of some mental excuse?

That mental barrier didn't stop him from soloing sm hashirama, tobirama, and Hiruzen at the same time.

It's an absolute neg diff, Obito rapes him just by breathing on him.

Hashi fans and their fanfiction

 

[KidGamer65]

If V1 JJ Obito > Juubi and SM Hashirama > V1 JJ Obito does this mean SM Hashirama > Juubi?

Hashirama being able to beat him=/=Hashirama being stronger than him.

 

[KingHashirama]

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Overwhelming power > skill.



He can only do that through the Wood Dragon. And that gets demolished.

Hmm guess what wood dragon is.. Mokuton. This isn't the rinnegan where he needs preta path and so on. The Wood dragon makes it easier, because it covers the person and binds them in the process, while absorbing chakra. That is why wood dragon has been shown doing it.

Other than that, Wood dragon is pretty much made of normal mokuton.

1 problem Hashirama has Sage mode.. why do you keep leaving this out? When he admit inferiority, he admit it when he didn't know that SM works on Obito. And when he did it... he never said "oh lets quit fighting".. even then he still had a plan to take on Obito with.

If Hashirama wasn't distracted by Madara.. the Obito fight would've ended long ago. And as I recall, Naruto/Tobirama/Minato/Sasuke couldn't do anything about the TBBs.... yet Hashirama had a plan to deal with them... The guy possessed the power in each wood clone to do enough Jukai kouton to make sure the TBB goes to the shore....

People are actually retard enough to say Hashirama beats v1 rikudou Obito because of some mental excuse?

That mental barrier didn't stop him from soloing sm hashirama, tobirama, and Hiruzen at the same time.

It's an absolute neg diff, Obito rapes him just by breathing on him.

Hashi fans and their fanfiction

He never even touched Hashirama...

 

[Bronze]

Hmm guess what wood dragon is.. Mokuton. This isn't the rinnegan where he needs preta path and so on. The Wood dragon makes it easier, because it covers the person and binds them in the process, while absorbing chakra. That is why wood dragon has been shown doing it.

I already said that is useless. As first, he can't bind Obito when his God Gates (something that put the Juubi down) were demolished effortlessly. So if a stronger restraining technique can't pin him down, then a weaker isn't doing any better. Not to mention he would have to actually be fast enough to bind him, and Juubito isn't letting it happen.

1 problem Hashirama has Sage mode.. why do you keep leaving this out? When he admit inferiority, he admit it when he didn't know that SM works on Obito. And when he did it... he never said "oh lets quit fighting".. even then he still had a plan to take on Obito with.

I don't know if you and I are reading the same manga, but Hashirama was using SM on Juubito via God Gates and part of the Hokage Barrier; both got collapsed by Juubito.

If Hashirama wasn't distracted by Madara.. the Obito fight would've ended long ago. And as I recall, Naruto/Tobirama/Minato/Sasuke couldn't do anything about the TBBs.... yet Hashirama had a plan to deal with them... The guy possessed the power in each wood clone to do enough Jukai kouton to make sure the TBB goes to the shore....

Uh...no. Hashirama joining with the team only processes Juubito's defeat faster. Jukai Koutan can only catch the TBB when the Shinobi Alliance (powered up by Kurama's Chakra) use the Doton Wall to slow down the velocity of the TBB. And it was only one TBB at a time.

 

[VongolaX]

Hmm guess what wood dragon is.. Mokuton. This isn't the rinnegan where he needs preta path and so on. The Wood dragon makes it easier, because it covers the person and binds them in the process, while absorbing chakra. That is why wood dragon has been shown doing it.

Other than that, Wood dragon is pretty much made of normal mokuton.

1 problem Hashirama has Sage mode.. why do you keep leaving this out? When he admit inferiority, he admit it when he didn't know that SM works on Obito. And when he did it... he never said "oh lets quit fighting".. even then he still had a plan to take on Obito with.

If Hashirama wasn't distracted by Madara.. the Obito fight would've ended long ago. And as I recall, Naruto/Tobirama/Minato/Sasuke couldn't do anything about the TBBs.... yet Hashirama had a plan to deal with them... The guy possessed the power in each wood clone to do enough Jukai kouton to make sure the TBB goes to the shore....



He never even touched Hashirama...

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Ya, he did :|

V1 JJ Obito is a mindless killing machine, the difference between him and v2 is that it kills everyone in site.

When Hiruzen attacked it, it strategically beat him.

Same goes for hashirama, if he attacks him, he'll wipe him out like this:

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[TRE MERCER]

Sasuke > your fav.

Ot hashi wins

Not really. OT Hashirama loses. ​

 

[KingHashirama]

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Ya, he did :|

V1 JJ Obito is a mindless killing machine, the difference between him and v2 is that it kills everyone in site.

When Hiruzen attacked it, it strategically beat him.

Same goes for hashirama, if he attacks him, he'll wipe him out like this:

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Ty for showing me he never touched Hashirama, but instead his wood clone.

 

[KingHashirama]

I already said that is useless. As first, he can't bind Obito when his God Gates (something that put the Juubi down) were demolished effortlessly. So if a stronger restraining technique can't pin him down, then a weaker isn't doing any better. Not to mention he would have to actually be fast enough to bind him, and Juubito isn't letting it happen.



I don't know if you and I are reading the same manga, but Hashirama was using SM on Juubito via God Gates and part of the Hokage Barrier; both got collapsed by Juubito.



Uh...no. Hashirama joining with the team only processes Juubito's defeat faster. Jukai Koutan can only catch the TBB when the Shinobi Alliance (powered up by Kurama's Chakra) use the Doton Wall to slow down the velocity of the TBB. And it was only one TBB at a time.

Hashirama was using the Gates while having the barrier up.... And Gates are not a physical attack.. like the Senjutsu ransengan and so on.

No there were 4 tbbs, and Hashirama had 4 wood clones out. He was telling the people to make doton walls, while his Clones were getting ready. And furthermore, Jukai koutan can't catch Tbbs it can change its trajectory and lead it a specific way.. but it can't "catch it".

 

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Hashirama was using the Gates while having the barrier up.... And Gates are not a physical attack.. like the Senjutsu ransengan and so on.

Him using the Gates and barrier simultaneously isn't going to render their input power. Not to mention the barrier is a collaboration technique, meaning he's only using 1/4 his Chakra to the barrier, while the rest is focused into the God Gates. You were saying Wood Dragon will absorb Obito's Chakra, but it has to restrain him firstly, and it isn't accomplishing it as God Gates (restraining much stronger) were collapsed.

No there were 4 tbbs, and Hashirama had 4 wood clones out. He was telling the people to make doton walls, while his Clones were getting ready. And furthermore, Jukai koutan can't catch Tbbs it can change its trajectory and lead it a specific way.. but it can't "catch it".

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] The Hokages were going to teleport the rest of the TBB. Also, TBB is not something V1 Juubito can use, so I don't know why you mentioned it in the first place.

 

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Shinsenjuu pastes Obito.

 

[BenjerminGaye]

Does hashirama's sm even affect him? I mean he pulled out the sm prior to dropping the gates and stayed in sm when he got the second set....yet obito broke it with ease.

 

[Omar19992010]

V1 Juubito's stronger than Hashirama definitely it's just the fact Juubito is stupid and that would give Hashirama the win. V1 Juubito is basically like Four Tails Naruto.

 

[VongolaX]

Ty for showing me he never touched Hashirama, but instead his wood clone.

That was Hashirama himself.

Seriously obito one-shits him, SS is just a play toy at this point.

He blew himself with the juubi's TSB and the senjustu still wasn't strong enough to stop his rampage.

Don't tell me that you think Hashirama stands the slightest bit of chance here, even Edo Madara knew he was too weak.

 

[TRE MERCER]

He couldn't even do that to Minato and Naruto's Kurama Avatar before they slapped his arms away with their own tails let alone SS, which is FAR stronger when it comes to physical power, and has many many more hands, so your logic is terrible. Chakra arms get slapped away like they did by two weaker constructs, and SS turns him to paste. Why would he have to restrain Juubito when he can outright kill him? He can't negate Senjutsu, nor does he even have Onmyoton, and he can't tank Shinsuusenju's punches, and he's not immortal. He dies.

V1 Juubito cannot die he was already blown in half including his face. SS isn't even landed a hit. Didn't Hashirama already admit he was weaker in cannon. In the time it takes him to summon SS he'll be in half unlike last time he isn't edo so he isn't surviving. The moment SS swing it's fist Obito rips through the fingers of the structure like nothing Hashirama would even be able to track him. EMS precog gave Sasuke the tracking feats which Hashirama lacks. ​

 

[TheSages456]

That was Hashirama himself.

Seriously obito one-shits him, SS is just a play toy at this point.

He blew himself with the juubi's TSB and the senjustu still wasn't strong enough to stop his rampage.

Don't tell me that you think Hashirama stands the slightest bit of chance here, even Edo Madara knew he was too weak.

no. the real hashirama was nowhere near obitos fight.

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obito destroying a clone says nothing about how he deals with the real hashirama.

 

[KidGamer65]

V1 Juubito cannot die he was already blown in half including his face. ​

That's not proof that he can't die.

SS isn't even landed a hit.

Except it will. Naruto and Sasuke with physically inferior constructs landed hits.

Didn't Hashirama already admit he was weaker in cannon.

Irrelevant. Being weaker=/=Losing the fight.

In the time it takes him to summon SS he'll be in half unlike last time he isn't edo so he isn't surviving.

-Enters SM instantly.
-Calls SS with the clap of a hand.
-Both can be done simultaneously as the manga shows. Hashirama enters SM and uses his Myojinmon at the same time.
-Juubito being the mindless clown that he is will probably stand around like he did when he was first "born"
-EMS Sasuke and BSM Naruto displayed the speed to react to him.
-Depends on distance.

Though Obito's only chance is a blitz.

The moment SS swing it's fist Obito rips through the fingers of the structure like nothing Hashirama would even be able to track him.

Except Obito doesn't have the power to rip through a bunch of fists that matched the power of 11-13 Bijuu Dama Blades from PS Kurama. If Obito charges at Chojo Kebutsu, he gets turned to white mush.

EMS precog gave Sasuke the tracking feats which Hashirama lacks.

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Read again. Naruto sensed him (Sage Mode), Sasuke tracked him.

 

[TRE MERCER]

That's not proof that he can't die.



Except it will. Naruto and Sasuke with physically inferior constructs landed hits.



Irrelevant. Being weaker=/=Losing the fight.


-Enters SM instantly.
-Calls SS with the clap of a hand.
-Both can be done simultaneously as the manga shows. Hashirama enters SM and uses his Myojinmon at the same time.
-Juubito being the mindless clown that he is will probably stand around like he did when he was first "born"
-EMS Sasuke and BSM Naruto displayed the speed to react to him.
-Depends on distance.

Though Obito's only chance is a blitz.


Except Obito doesn't have the power to rip through a bunch of fists that matched the power of 11-13 Bijuu Dama Blades from PS Kurama. If Obito charges at Chojo Kebutsu, he gets turned to white mush.




Read again. Naruto sensed him (Sage Mode), Sasuke tracked him.

There is no proof that he can die. Also i agree his only chances of winning is a blitz. ​