Uzumaki/Senju and Uchiha Power ups:Becoming the Rikudo

[VongolaX]

Obito said he was the third sage after he was called the second from Madara. You said MS gives you yin chakra but nagato doesn't have MS. kakashi was given the sharingan and yet he can switch from 3 tomoe to mangekyo. Reason why rinnegan differ is because senju is included. Point is you can't achieve yin chakra from implanting someones eyes. That is why i used danzo as an example

 

[rollin]

Obito said he was the third sage after he was called the second from Madara. You said MS gives you yin chakra but nagato doesn't have MS. kakashi was given the sharingan and yet he can switch from 3 tomoe to mangekyo. Reason why rinnegan differ is because senju is included. Point is you can't achieve yin chakra from implanting someones eyes. That is why i used danzo as an example

i've already explained how the ms gives yin chakra
ms=half the older son's yin + another ms=half the yin
if you only have ms half the yin chakra it won't evolve to rinnegan like obito
it has to be the older son's yin chakra to go to rinnegan
rinnegan is the yin chakra and yang chakra implanting this gave nagato and uzumaki(watered down younger son)more yang and older son's yin

 

[VongolaX]

i've already explained how the ms gives yin chakra
ms=half the older son's yin + another ms=half the yin
if you only have ms half the yin chakra it won't evolve to rinnegan like obito
it has to be the older son's yin chakra to go to rinnegan
rinnegan is the yin chakra and yang chakra implanting this gave nagato and uzumaki(watered down younger son)more yang and older son's yin

You didn't read the part when i said MS is different from rinnegan did you? rinnegan is uchiha eye+senju lineage, not blood. implanting someones eye does not give you yin release buddy. I know your trying to put 2 and 2 together but you have to realize the smallest thing can ruin your equation. If the manga didn't prove these facts than assuming is not the way to find the solution to your dilemma

 

[rollin]

You didn't read the part when i said MS is different from rinnegan did you? rinnegan is uchiha eye+senju lineage, not blood. implanting someones eye does not give you yin release buddy. I know your trying to put 2 and 2 together but you have to realize the smallest thing can ruin your equation. If the manga didn't prove these facts than assuming is not the way to find the solution to your dilemma

i got proven facts from the manga
ms won't evolve to rinnegan with senju dna because ms is half of older son's yin chakra
only an ems rinnegan is older son'se eye and yin chakra+younger son's yang chakra
i honestly can't make myself anymore clear
sasuke first awakened the ms his chakra resembled genjutsu which is yin element
he then implanted itachi's ms and felt itachi's power

 

[VongolaX]

i got proven facts from the manga
ms won't evolve to rinnegan with senju dna because ms is half of older son's yin chakra
only an ems rinnegan is older son'se eye and yin chakra+younger son's yang chakra
i honestly can't make myself anymore clear
sasuke first awakened the ms his chakra resembled genjutsu which is yin element
he then implanted itachi's ms and felt itachi's power

Yes EMS+Senju dna+near death= rinnegan. Still i don't know what your trying to prove? Generation to generation the eye technique degrades itself to sharingan to byukagan. Your not explaining how nagato could achieve yin release when he doesn't have MS and EMS.

 

[rollin]

Yes EMS+Senju dna+near death= rinnegan. Still i don't know what your trying to prove? Generation to generation the eye technique degrades itself to sharingan to byukagan. Your not explaining how nagato could achieve yin release when he doesn't have MS and EMS.

The rinnegan was once madaras ems

 

[VongolaX]

The rinnegan was once madaras ems

it was once madara's eyes not nagato. That is why he can't full control the rinnegan or revert it to sharingan

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[rollin]

I know and if implanting ms gives you yin implanting rinnegan gives you both yin and yang
Naruto is an uzumaki who has the body and life-force+kyuubis yang chakra=younger son he doesn't have the eyes or the yin chakra he's not a sage of the six path like Nagato and madara
Nagato who is an uzumaki with body and lif-force got rinnegan
Rinnegan is an ems + yang chakraSo Nagato now has the body,life-force,yang chakra,eyes,pwerful chakra,and yin making him the next sage like madara
Kakashi can switch between sharingan and ms because he got the sharingan I'm planted and evolved it to ms
Nagato got the rinnegan implanted if it was an ems then evolved he can switch it

 

[VongolaX]

I know and if implanting ms gives you yin implanting rinnegan gives you both yin and yang
Naruto is an uzumaki who has the body and life-force+kyuubis yang chakra=younger son he doesn't have the eyes or the yin chakra he's not a sage of the six path like Nagato and madara
Nagato who is an uzumaki with body and lif-force got rinnegan
Rinnegan is an ems + yang chakraSo Nagato now has the body,life-force,yang chakra,eyes,pwerful chakra,and yin making him the next sage like madara
Kakashi can switch between sharingan and ms because he got the sharingan I'm planted and evolved it to ms
Nagato got the rinnegan implanted if it was an ems then evolved he can switch it

Can you show me in the manga where in the manga it says you implant an eye you get yin release? Every character has yin-yang chakra but the question is yin release. Naruto has yin-yang chakra but he's full of life force

 

[rollin]

you're right no where in the manga in the chapter does it say that implanting an ms gives you yin chakra
but it's speculated
when sasuke first used his mangekyou sharingan his chakra resembled yin chakra

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genjutsu is mostly yin chakra cause it's yin element

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he then implanted itachi's eyes and their susano'o look the same

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i have manga proof that backs up my statement that ms comes with more yin chakra
naruto is getting more yang chakra with his powerup and has the same seal as the rikudo
sasuke is getting more yin chakra and is getting the eyes

 

[VongolaX]

you're right no where in the manga in the chapter does it say that implanting an ms gives you yin chakra
but it's speculated
when sasuke first used his mangekyou sharingan his chakra resembled yin chakra

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genjutsu is mostly yin chakra cause it's yin element

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he then implanted itachi's eyes and their susano'o look the same

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i have manga proof that backs up my statement that ms comes with more yin chakra
naruto is getting more yang chakra with his powerup and has the same seal as the rikudo
sasuke is getting more yin chakra and is getting the eyes

Not chakra...... release, but i see your point with yin chakra

 

[Aaroninja]

Dude awesome thread! I tried to rep you but apparently I have already done so recently XD