Uzumaki clan and Senju clan = Senju

[KingHashirama]

The separation of the Uzumaki clan from the Senju bloodline is insulting. It is specifically stated in the manga that Nagato is from the Senju linage.

The definition of lineage:
1.
lineal descent from an ancestor; ancestry or extraction: She could trace her lineage to the early Pilgrims.
2.
the line of descendants of a particular ancestor; family; race.


Now lets go chronological what was said about the relationship between the Senju clan and the Uzumaki clan:

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Kushina herself stated , "Blood relatives". She did not say "come from the SO6P".. or any thing about the Sage.. she said those 2 clans were blood-relatives. Now this got us thinking that "Oh So the Uzumaki and Senju are related".. And i remember that there used to be theories on the SO6P having 2 sons and 1 daughter.. and the daughter was the Uzumaki clan.



Now the second time the Uzumaki were compare to the Senju was by Zetsu.. the "All-knowing" robot:

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Did Zetsu state, "Nagato is a uzumaki , he descends from the Sage's clan"... no. He stated Nagato is from the Senju linage. Meaning Uzumaki descend from the senju.

Most of you uzumaki supporters will try to respond to this statement by saying , "Kishimoto never stated they were "Descendants"... Your wrong ok.. he sure in hell did state they were descendants to the Senju clan. Just look in the definition of the word "Linage". Both of the definitions have the word "descendant" in em ;]

Apparently people who believe they were not part of the senju clan.. don't know the meaning of the word "linage".


Name 1 thing that is unique to the Uzumaki , that the Senju don't have.. please oh please name it.

If you reply "Sealing".. the Senju didn't SPECIALIZE in seals .. instead they were a overall focused clan.. "Clan of thousand skills"..However, their leader did have a scroll called "Scroll of Seals" ;]. Proof that they also did seals.

Their Genetic make-up is the same. Hashirama and Tobirama are the only "Senju clan" people known, besides Tsunade. Those 2 died in battle, and Tsunade is easily above 50+.. So their longetivity, can be put to the Senju also, if we see other Senjus. However that is dependent on Life force..

Definition of Life Force:
Noun
1.The force or influence that gives something its vitality or strength: "the life force of the symphony".
2.The spirit or energy that animates living creatures; the soul.

Now seeing that in the Naruto world the "Chakra" is the life force.. Proven by Kakashi of course. Both of the clans have strong life force... infact the Senju clan has shown the GREATEST out of the 2 clans.

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Them being known for "strong life force" really is not something the senju don't have. Also, there is evident theory, not only supported by me.. but also Naru-wikia folks.. that Senju also, have more then normal physical strength.. meaning Sakura will never catch up to Tsunade in strength.


CONCLUSION

The Uzumaki CLAN descends from the Senju CLAN. Uzumaki clan has Senju blood in them, reason for their strong life force and high chakra rates.

 

[lukage]

Name 1 thing that is unique to the Uzumaki , that the Senju don't have.. please oh please name it.

Red hair.

 

[KingHashirama]

Name 1 thing that is unique to the Uzumaki , that the Senju don't have.. please oh please name it.

Red hair.

That is their signature.. . And also man other non-uzumaki have red hair..

 

[lukage]

That was a joke btw, in case you get all stressy..

Good thread, comes across a bit aggressive but yeah good points well made.
My only issue is that you're relying on quotes from zetsu, his information could easily be mistaken. I wouldn't use this to state your facts if I were you. Just stick to what we know so far, that the uzumaki and senju share their bloodline to a certain degree; the extent of which is not yet known.

 

[Dreckerplayer]

I disagree with your conclusion, but I give you rep anyways.


Edit:I agree, since there were only 2 sons, being the senju and uchiha, so the uzumaki have to be descendants.

Can you make a theory thread on the Hyuuga's origin, if you have any ideas.

 

[KingHashirama]

That was a joke btw, in case you get all stressy..

Good thread, comes across a bit aggressive but yeah good points well made.
My only issue is that you're relying on quotes from zetsu, his information could easily be mistaken. I wouldn't use this to state your facts if I were you. Just stick to what we know so far, that the uzumaki and senju share their bloodline to a certain degree; the extent of which is not yet known.

Sir, he knows basically what Madara knows.. and Madara really has no reason to lie about Uzumaki or w.e . Also, compared to the current time characters (Not the Edos).. he is the most reliable.

I disagree with your conclusion, but I give you rep anyways.

Which point do you disagree with?

 

[SIR HERDERP PRESIDERP SDO]

That was a joke btw, in case you get all stressy..

Good thread, comes across a bit aggressive but yeah good points well made.
My only issue is that you're relying on quotes from zetsu, his information could easily be mistaken. I wouldn't use this to state your facts if I were you. Just stick to what we know so far, that the uzumaki and senju share their bloodline to a certain degree; the extent of which is not yet known.

Not to mention it could be a minstranslation of "relative" rather than lineage, and even if it was lineage does not necessarily equate to descendant because lineage could mean kinship which means blood relative.

 

[Dreckerplayer]

Sir, he knows basically what Madara knows.. and Madara really has no reason to lie about Uzumaki or w.e . Also, compared to the current time characters (Not the Edos).. he is the most reliable.



Which point do you disagree with?

I disagreed before, but now I agree...with most of it.

 

[KingHashirama]

Not to mention it could be a minstranslation of "relative" rather than lineage, and even if it was lineage does not necessarily equate to descendant because lineage could mean kinship which means blood relative.

Mate, you can even go check the "original " Viz scans. And also, it actually does mean descendent.. it would've been Kinship, if they had said "So6P's linage"... but they said the "Senju linage".. proving The Senju clan as the ancestor of the Uzumaki clan.

I disagreed before, but now I agree...with most of it.

What parts do you not agree with?

 

[daredevil123]

tsunade strength is the same way sakura uses her strength with her chakra but sakuras is stilll inferior

 

[Honord Sage]

Wrong The Uzumaki are the Father to the Rebellious Uchiha and Senju, Sons do dot give birth to their Father.

 

[KingHashirama]

tsunade strength is the same way sakura uses her strength with her chakra but sakuras is stilll inferior

Senjus are physically stronger then other clans, without the increased chakra at the hand.

Wrong The Uzumaki are the Father to the Rebellious Uchiha and Senju, Sons do dot give birth to their Father.

Unless you can prove it by the manga, please don't spout stuff like that.

 

[daredevil123]

Senjus are physically stronger then other clans, without the increased chakra at the hand.



Unless you can prove it by the manga, please don't spout stuff like that.

o okay i see what you mean now i feel dumb now

 

[TheWillofFire]

I like, i also somehow feel as bloody mist = uchiha blood, kinda how uzumaki = senju blood

 

[shelke]

Kind-Hashirama is getting emotional again. They do have the residual element of Senju blood-line, but they are distant relatives. Disagreement man. Hug?

 

[Dreckerplayer]

Mate, you can even go check the "original " Viz scans. And also, it actually does mean descendent.. it would've been Kinship, if they had said "So6P's linage"... but they said the "Senju linage".. proving The Senju clan as the ancestor of the Uzumaki clan.



What parts do you not agree with?

When you said that the Uzumaki get all their abilities from the senju...

We don't know that for sure.

 

[GiantShuriken]

OP is correct, I don't see the problem here.

 

[KingHashirama]

Kind-Hashirama is getting emotional again. They do have the residual element of Senju blood-line, but they are distant relatives. Disagreement man. Hug?

.. I can't make a thread supporting the Manga?

I mean if you want a hug, cause you don't want to admit the definition of the word "lineage" then sure buddy ;D.

When you said that the Uzumaki get all their abilities from the senju...

We don't know that for sure.

Strong life force = Uzumaki and Senju

high chakra = Uzumaki and senju

Zetsu claiming Nagato to be of the Senju linage confirmed it.

Unless the uzumaki have a KKG.

 

[blackstar9]

I agree o.p. uzumaki are distant relatives of the senju

 

[TheWillofFire]

I also think uzumakis came first then senjus from them. Though still have same "senju" blood