[Discussion] using SUSANOO without eyes = BULLSH!T

[UchihaMifune]

This manga is somewhat of a joke to any serious fan like myself. Kishimoto is a horrible writer in terms of keeping things consistent. Wish I never bought his manga series cause from someone who doesn't care about consistency.

Lol u BUY the manga? Why would u do that?

 

[UchihaMifune]

yeah just like 3rd raikage :|

3rd raikage was killed while soloing 10,000 troops to buy his own shinobi time to escape. Or am I missing your point here?

 

[-immortal-]

oh you're right

i think if there was someone to heal izuna. he would've used it w/o eyes too.

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

3rd raikage was killed while soloing 10,000 troops to buy his own shinobi time to escape. Or am I missing your point here?

you're right :|

i think if there was someone to heal izuna. he would've used it w/o eyes too.

yeah you're right and kishi will perhaps explain this thing in upcoming chapters

 

[sealingscroll]

I believe a Susano is unlocked completely once its unlocked. even itachi who was going blind can use the susano but nobody complains.

madara's real eyes were still out in the battlefield regardless whether its in its body or not.


ex:
Danzo has all those sharingans but they still work without a proper host. he can also still use some of its abilities even though he isn't a uchiha but he gained senju dna.

the guy who has the Hyuga's eye during the kage meeting was still able to use it.

Kakashi is still able to use obito's eyes and powers.

Nagato is able to use Madara's eyes to full extent of his abilities.

same with this in my opinion it seems regardless where the eyes are as long as it has a host its powers are still connected to the wielder/host.

the same reason why kakashi and obito can use the same ability regardless. its one of those lets say. he had his eyes when he was edo and didn't have them when he became alive I suppose.

so the transfer between edo and when he came alive still had the effect of letting him use the susano.


but I believe the eyes are to just unlock it and the susano takes hatred/chakra to manifest itself.

 

[Silent Phantom]

I can't answer all of your questions but I can answer some.

1) Before Izuna lost his eyes he was mortally wounded by Tobirama. Kabuto never Reannimated him because he probably wouldn't have made much of a difference in the war.

2) It is unlikely that anyone killed Hashirama. I think it more likely he died a natural death (maybe from overusing healing ?)

3) Nagato was dealing with Jinchuriki with seals. Naruto and Bee had opened their seals.

5) If you look closely at the chapter, Madara had no armor after amaterasu. It is likely he took off the armor to get rid of it. I don't have the scan, but in the official Viz translation, Hashirama never said that Madara absorbed it

6) Edo's are weaker than original forms. This was stated by Tobirama when he was talking to Orochimaru

4. Maybe Obito doesn't know the full extent of the Rinnegan and Gedo Mazou.

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

4. Maybe Obito doesn't know the full extent of the Rinnegan and Gedo Mazou.

may be you're right but obito by using these chains sealed 7 bijuus back in GEDO MAZOU and he could be able to use these chains to extract hachibi and kyuubi too :|

 

[sealingscroll]

may be you're right but obito by using these chains sealed 7 bijuus back in GEDO MAZOU and he could be able to use these chains to extract hachibi and kyuubi too :|

didn't he release the biju with the chakra chains to hold them to face Kakashi, naruto, bee, and might guy to try to get the 8 and 9 tails so technically he was trying to weaken them but that didn't work.

 

[UchihaMifune]

didn't he release the biju with the chakra chains to hold them to face Kakashi, naruto, bee, and might guy to try to get the 8 and 9 tails so technically he was trying to weaken them but that didn't work.

Your avatar is choji, your posts are invalid

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

didn't he release the biju with the chakra chains to hold them to face Kakashi, naruto, bee, and might guy to try to get the 8 and 9 tails so technically he was trying to weaken them but that didn't work.

man , you are great

you're absolutely right and i forgot that :|

 

[SixPathsOfTobi]

1. Izuna was dead when he lost his eyes, he died because tobirama mortally wounded him, madara took his eyes after that. if he was alive without eyes he probably could yes.

2. he didn't get a direct hit.. he had susanoo activated which gave him the chance to jump aside, with only his arm getting caught, first you see his susanoo in pieces, then you see his arm flying of, if he would've gotten a direct hit he would've been in a million pieces.
Who killed hashirama? i don't know.

3. hachibi and kyuubi didn't have a seal.

4. First hachibi and kyuubi needed to be out, which they were a lot of the time.. then you need to take them out.. which you might argue was done with hachibi, but basically only after he started the awaking of juubi proces.. and then you need to put them on a leash..
I assume it was obito's plan to do it that way, cause i don't think he was planning to do an extraction proces of a few days/weeks in the middle of a war. he wanted to pull him in with yonbi too..

5. it's misread.. he didn't absorb amaterasu, he pulled his armor off..
While madara was on fire Hashirama was thinking "he can absorb ninjutsu', as in 'it's no use he can absorb ninjutsu',
then madara pulled his burning armor off and you see hashirama with '!?' 'what does it mean?' as in 'what does it mean that he didn't absorb it'.

6. EDO madara might have unlimited chakra, as in he doesn't get tired, but he's not unlimited powerfull..

 

[sealingscroll]

Your avatar is choji, your posts are invalid

get a name that makes sense. Get out before samurai dies by choji.

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

1. Izuna was dead when he lost his eyes, he died because tobirama mortally wounded him, madara took his eyes after that. if he was alive without eyes he probably could yes.

2. he didn't get a direct hit.. he had susanoo activated which gave him the chance to jump aside, with only his arm getting caught, first you see his susanoo in pieces, then you see his arm flying of, if he would've gotten a direct hit he would've been in a million pieces.
Who killed hashirama? i don't know.

3. hachibi and kyuubi didn't have a seal.

4. First hachibi and kyuubi needed to be out, which they were a lot of the time.. then you need to take them out.. which you might argue was done with hachibi, but basically only after he started the awaking of juubi proces.. and then you need to put them on a leash..
I assume it was obito's plan to do it that way, cause i don't think he was planning to do an extraction proces of a few days/weeks in the middle of a war. he wanted to pull him in with yonbi too..

5. it's misread.. he didn't absorb amaterasu, he pulled his armor off..
While madara was on fire Hashirama was thinking "he can absorb ninjutsu', as in 'it's no use he can absorb ninjutsu',
then madara pulled his burning armor off and you see hashirama with '!?' 'what does it mean?' as in 'what does it mean that he didn't absorb it'.

6. EDO madara might have unlimited chakra, as in he doesn't get tired, but he's not unlimited powerfull..

you're right , dude

i completely agree with your reasonings

thank you for the explanations , dude

 

[Ōkami]

Like logic even matters anymore.

 

[Byron123]

1. Susanoo differs compared to the others MS sharingan techniques. The very first time Itachi used it, he didn't have his MS activated, therefore having your MS isn't necessary for you to activate your Susanoo. The reason for that is that Susanoo is the the manifestation of one's chakra. The reason you need MS in the first place is for you to unlock it but the fact that Itachi had used it back then without having his MS acitvated proves that once you have unlocked it, you haven't further need for you acitvate Susanoo- in contrast to the other MS techniques which can't be used unless you have your MS activated. That however doesn't mean that Sasuke was stupid who had his MS activated in the first place when he was using it. Susanoo might hurt your sight whether you have your MS activated or not. After it leaves you blind, you can still use it but you will still be in pain. The reason for which Madara didn't show any sign of pain is first because of Hashirama's dna but most importantly because of his endurance. Sasuke even stabbed him with his sword and didn't even show the slightest emotion! Izuna didn't activate just because he didn't have the chance since he would die.

2. No one has ever said that Hashirama was killed by anyone, the cause could be very old age. As for why he was revived early, probably Orochimaru had experimented on him the same way Kabuto did on Madara. It would make sense after all as it would explain how Kabuto was able to make such a feat, he simply had to follow his master's older tactic.

3-4. Both Nagato and Obito are extremely powerful individuals, however consideing Madara's current power I would say that it's far superior so maybe they weren't just as strong as to pull off something like this. With Hachibi maybe but after all they wanted to test Sasuke's strength so if they had done it, they would have wasted a good opportunity. In general, let's not forget that to release a seal from its host, you must use chakra of the same magnitude or even stronger. Nagato had even recommended on how he didn't expect Kurama to be that strong while Madara has never shown the slightest fear of getting overwhelmed.

5. No one ever said that he nullified Amaterasu through preta path, he might have very done it because of hashirama's dna which can absorb chakra.

6. It seems that no matter how much freedom the caster provides to his edos by giving their full potentials, they still can't be compared to the power they had while they were alive.

 

[UchihaNagashi]

Like logic even matters anymore.

Never mattered.​

 

[iKaras]

He was killed in the first world war. Manga never explains it.

That I just can't wait to be explained. If I were kishi, i'd leave that question a mystery...

 

[iKaras]

1. Susanoo differs compared to the others MS sharingan techniques. The very first time Itachi used it, he didn't have his MS activated, therefore having your MS isn't necessary for you to activate your Susanoo. The reason for that is that Susanoo is the the manifestation of one's chakra. The reason you need MS in the first place is for you to unlock it but the fact that Itachi had used it back then without having his MS acitvated proves that once you have unlocked it, you haven't further need for you acitvate Susanoo- in contrast to the other MS techniques which can't be used unless you have your MS activated. That however doesn't mean that Sasuke was stupid who had his MS activated in the first place when he was using it. Susanoo might hurt your sight whether you have your MS activated or not. After it leaves you blind, you can still use it but you will still be in pain. The reason for which Madara didn't show any sign of pain is first because of Hashirama's dna but most importantly because of his endurance. Sasuke even stabbed him with his sword and didn't even show the slightest emotion! Izuna didn't activate just because he didn't have the chance since he would die.

2. No one has ever said that Hashirama was killed by anyone, the cause could be very old age. As for why he was revived early, probably Orochimaru had experimented on him the same way Kabuto did on Madara. It would make sense after all as it would explain how Kabuto was able to make such a feat, he simply had to follow his master's older tactic.

3-4. Both Nagato and Obito are extremely powerful individuals, however consideing Madara's current power I would say that it's far superior so maybe they weren't just as strong as to pull off something like this. With Hachibi maybe but after all they wanted to test Sasuke's strength so if they had done it, they would have wasted a good opportunity. In general, let's not forget that to release a seal from its host, you must use chakra of the same magnitude or even stronger. Nagato had even recommended on how he didn't expect Kurama to be that strong while Madara has never shown the slightest fear of getting overwhelmed.

5. No one ever said that he nullified Amaterasu through preta path, he might have very done it because of hashirama's dna which can absorb chakra.

6. It seems that no matter how much freedom the caster provides to his edos by giving their full potentials, they still can't be compared to the power they had while they were alive.

No way.

A. He had no reason to revive him in that state since it was simple Q&A.

A-1. And even if he did, why stop there? Why wouldn't he do the same for hype prime Hiruzen?

 

[SIR UZMAKIMADARA]

No way.

A. He had no reason to revive him in that state since it was simple Q&A.

A-1. And even if he did, why stop there? Why wouldn't he do the same for hype prime Hiruzen?

yeah you're right

 

[VongolaX]

Izuna died before he went blind. (Ftg Tobirama)

Nagato can't control the mazo properly (uchiha and senju)
He only has a portion of the rinnegans power

Madara did not absorb Amaterasu, he absorb sage mode through preta.
Madara was able to use that technique because he has uchiha and senju DNA, no need for rinnegan for the six paths technique. However, to use the full power like limbo H and Gedo soul chain dragons...
You need the rinnegan...