US not allowing trans people...

[Sauce]

YOU ARE WRONG!

Do you think you are smart because you try to prove others wrong on an anime forum?

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[Lightbringer]

Do you think you are smart because you try to prove others wrong on an anime forum?

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Do you think you're clever by asking me that question?

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[Mari Makinami]

@Bold: LMAO. Called it. Case closed.

Nazi much? :lol Again, this is so utterly predictable that it's not even amusing.

It's funny how much you boasted at being such an expert with a master's degree in psychology, yet this entire debate...

But, there was no debate; there was just me being kind enough to try to explain to you some advanced concepts you possess no knowledge or understanding of, and you being an annoying douche. And:

...was just you telling me that your opinion is the only opinion that matters, regardless what the facts and research says.

Oh, come on, stop lying so blatantly. xd I never said that my opinion was the only opinion that matters; I said that opinions of unqualified people in general and yours in particular don't matter to me, which is completely true. I understand that you're probably still young and hence maximalist, but you are not the entire world, darling.

 

[Punk Hazard]

Apparently, you don't understand. I don't really care about APA or about whatever any other organization of the U.S. produces on the matter as (again, from my point of view) it is clearly based on the current PC agenda and hence not objective.

>PC propaganda
>I don't care what the APA says

lol wow.

It's not a disorder cause gender disphoria(spelling) itself doesn't inherently cause disruption in life.

Do you think you are smart because you try to prove others wrong on an anime forum?

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Because it being an anime forum means you're not talking to real people about real ideologies present in the real world. What a juvenile attempt to look clever this is.

 

[Lightbringer]

Nazi much? :lol Again, this is so utterly predictable that it's not even amusing.



But, there was no debate; there was just me being kind enough to try to explain to you some advanced concepts you possess no knowledge or understanding of, and you being an annoying douche. And:



Oh, come on, stop lying so blatantly. xd I never said that my opinion was the only opinion that matters; I said that opinions of unqualified people in general and yours in particular don't matter to me, which is completely true. I understand that you're probably still young and hence maximalist, but you are not the entire world, darling.

You were debating what an opinion is with me? Must we now debate what a debate is?

Again, that's not my opinion. I was citing what the APA has said on the issue of Transgender classification as a mental disorder.

Whether I agree with them or not is irrelevant, but they did the research and have the facts; and I'm telling you that based on those facts, you are wrong.

Learn what an opinion is.

We can go back and forth like this all you want, but you'd still be wrong.

 

[Mari Makinami]

>PC propaganda
>I don't care what the APA says

lol wow.

It's not a disorder cause gender disphoria(spelling) itself doesn't inherently cause disruption in life.

I'm not going to repeat my points here again. There are many people who have signed under the post before my previous one where I've summarized the outcome of this discussion, so I know that they are not that hard to comprehend. Whether you or some other people agree or disagree is none of my concern as I never asked you guys about your opinions to begin with.

You were debating what an opinion is with me? Must we now debate what a debate is?

Again, that's not my opinion. I was citing what the APA has said on the issue of Transgender classification as a mental disorder.

Whether I agree with them or not is irrelevant, but they did the research and have the facts; and I'm telling you that based on those facts, you are wrong.

Learn what an opinion is.

We can go back and forth like this all you want, but you'd still be wrong.

Whatever you say. :lol So far you only reassured me in my point of view. I sincerely don't see a point in wasting more of my time on you for the reasons I stated multiple times above. Thanks for giving me a good giggle, though.

 

[Sauce]

>PC propaganda
>I don't care what the APA says

lol wow.

It's not a disorder cause gender disphoria(spelling) itself doesn't inherently cause disruption in life.



Because it being an anime forum means you're not talking to real people about real ideologies present in the real world. What a juvenile attempt to look clever this is.

I was asking a question, not trying to be clever??

I already know your ideology though, so no need for me to ask anymore :kd:

 

[Punk Hazard]

I'm not going to repeat my points here again. There are many people who have signed under the post before my previous one where I've summarized the out come of this discussion, so I know that they are not that hard to comprehend. Whether you or some other people agree or disagree is none of my concern as I never asked you guys about your opinions to begin with.



Whatever you say. :lol So far you only reassured me in my point of view. I sincerely don't see a point in wasting more of my time on you for the reasons I stated multiple times above. Thanks for giving me a good giggle, though.

Do you think this means people can't respond to you? Simply that you don't care? If you want your thoughts to be expressed in a vacuum, invest in a journal or diary instead of whining that when you post them in an open forum, you get responses.

 

[Lightbringer]

Whatever you say. :lol I sincerely don't see a point wasting more of my time on you for the reasons I stated multiple times above.

Whatever I say? Well I said that we just had a debate and you said we didn't. Clearly what I say seems to be right.

Yet you still wasted that time. Wow, you must really not have cared for my "opinion," as you've stated multiple times.

 

[Mari Makinami]

Do you think this means people can't respond to you? Simply that you don't care? If you want your thoughts to be expressed in a vacuum, invest in a journal or diary instead of whining that when you post them in an open forum, you get responses.

No, feel free to respond as much as you want; I'm merely politely letting you know that I found nothing interesting in your response and hence you might as well spend your time more productively next time!

Whatever I say? Well I said that we just had a debate and you said we didn't. Clearly what I say seems to be right.

Yet you still wasted that time. Wow, you must really not have cared for my "opinion," as you've stated multiple times.

But I was never discussing your opinion. :lol Didn't you notice that? The whole conversation was about me trying to get rid of you in a polite way, and also to teach you something as I noticed that you lack education. But, I suppose you may feel proud for making a random person on the internet waste some time on you; perhaps, now your life has some meaning. I'm not going to reply to you again, you've had enough of my attention here.

 

[Lightbringer]

No, feel free to respond as much as you want; I'm merely politely letting you know that I found nothing interesting in your response and hence you might as well spend your time more productively next time!



But I was never discussing your opinion. :lol Didn't you notice that? But, I suppose you may feel pride for making a random person on the internet waste some time on you; perhaps, now your life has some meaning. I'm not going to reply to you again, you've had enough of my attention here.

Your comment is irrelevant to what I just said. You said we didn't have a debate, yet we had a debate over the definition of what an opinion is.

This is just embarrassing.

Ok, don't hurt yourself logging off your highness.

 

[Punk Hazard]

I was asking a question, not trying to be clever??

I already know your ideology though, so no need for me to ask anymore :kd:

Not sure why you're trying to bother with this "It was just a question!" farce. You were clearly being sarcastic to demean him, especially with the gif of Jordan laughing. Cause if there's anything that says "This is a legitimate question and not an attempt to demean someone with a joke," it's sarcasm and memes.

Anyhow, with all mentioned combined, I don't believe it is wise to let transgenders into army. The risks of some trouble occurring because of this are too high and downright unnecessary.

Should minorities be barred from entering certain cities or states because it has a prominent racist population, and therefore it's likely trouble would start? Faulty argument. Instead of pandering to unjustified and ignorant intolerance, those views should be fought against as much as possible.

I'll repeat it since you, apparently, cannot comprehend my posts: A point of view/an opinion is always subjective, my friend; it cannot be right or wrong objectively. Reread this a few times and take your time to think about it before you bother me again, please (or better, just stop quoting me, really; reading your posts here is making me feel vicarious shame.)

Whether or not something is a disorder is not subject to an opinion. A disorder has an official definition that meets objective parameters. Transgendered people do not meet these parameters objectively. It is objectively not a disorder, no prominent research indicates that it is.

 

[SSStylish]

Whether or not something is a disorder is not subject to an opinion. A disorder has an official definition that meets objective parameters. Transgendered people do not meet these parameters objectively. It is objectively not a disorder, no prominent research indicates that it is.

Genuine question: Why do they kill themselves so often if they're completely healthy? I think not even jews under Hitler did it as often and I think that they've been treated much worse than transexuals are in the west right now.

 

[Lightbringer]

Genuine question: Why do they kill themselves so often if they're completely healthy? I think not even jews under Hitler did it as often and I think that they've been treated much worse than transexuals are in the west right now.

Taking your life is forbidden in Judaism, is it not? And Jews were willing to die before giving up their religion.

The APA already stated that depression and stress within transgenders stems from discrimination.

 

[Fountain]

It's not rocket science, free school, benefits and Medicare. To me is as simple as that.

Simple as in? Care to elaborate a little bit?

 

[Mari Makinami]

Should minorities be barred from entering certain cities or states because it has a prominent racist population, and therefore it's likely trouble would start?

First of all, races and racism have absolutely nothing to do with what I said, which already makes me believe that your comprehension capabilities are pretty poor.

Instead of pandering to unjustified and ignorant intolerance, those views should be fought against as much as possible.

Welp, feel free to do whatever you want. :|

Whether or not something is a disorder is not subject to an opinion. A disorder has an official definition that meets objective parameters.

Its definition is not a subject nor an opinion, you're correct. However, the classification of certain phenomenons (to put it more simply for you, whether something--in this particular case, the transgender issue--falls under this definition or not) is. In this particular case, we've established that different psychological organizations classify it both ways.
My ultimate point, however, is that:

1. Neither you nor me can objectively confirm either conclusion being true or false;
2. Because you are not qualified (from my point of view, again) to make any statements on this matter which I would find convincing, I think it's fair for me to tell you right away.

Transgendered people do not meet these parameters objectively. It is objectively not a disorder, no prominent research indicates that it is.

Sorry, but I don't think you have the authority to decide what's objective and what not. :lol

 

[Lightbringer]

First of all, races and racism have absolutely nothing to do with what I said, which already makes me believe that your comprehension capabilities are pretty poor.



Welp, feel free to do whatever you want. :|



Its definition is not a subject nor an opinion, you're correct. However, the classification of certain phenomenons (to put it more simply for you, whether something--in this particular case, the transgender issue--falls under this definition or not) is. In this particular case, we've established that different psychological organizations classify it both ways.
My ultimate point, however, is that:

1. Neither you nor me can objectively confirm either conclusion being true or false;
2. Because you are not qualified (from my point of view, again) to make any statements on this matter which I would find convincing, I think it's fair for me to tell you right away.



Sorry, but I don't think you have the authority to decide what's objective and what not. :lol

@Bold: You have yet to name even one, especially outside of Russia.

 

[LoZelda101]

Ah trump, always creating stirs to divert our attentions from the real problems. also whatever happen to that wall.

 

[Silver Tequila]

@Bold: You have yet to name even one, especially outside of Russia.

y outside Russia? dont be so racist bro

 

[Punk Hazard]

First of all, races and racism have absolutely nothing to do with what I said, which already makes me believe that your comprehension capabilities are pretty poor.

Your argument was there is a risk of trouble occurring with their presence in the military. The same argument applies to minorities going to places where there are prominent racist populations. Therefore, I'm asking if you're applying that logic here too. If trans shouldn't be in the military because of the potential trouble it could cause, should minorities be barred from places where their presence can trouble? Or are you a hypocrite who'll continue to dodge the question?

Its definition is not a subject nor an opinion, you're correct. However, the classification of certain phenomenons (to put it more simply for you, whether something--in this particular case, the transgender issue--falls under this definition or not) is. In this particular case, we've established that different psychological organizations classify it both ways.
My ultimate point, however, is that:

1. Neither you nor me can objectively confirm either conclusion being true or false;
2. Because you are not qualified (from my point of view, again) to make any statements on this matter which I would find convincing, I think it's fair for me to tell you right away.

My qualifications don't exactly matter. Because this isn't a conclusion I'm drawing on my own. These are conclusions drawn from people who spend their lives studying these matters. Mighty arrogant of you to think that your """"opinion""" outweighs the years of research done by those likely superior to even you, Ms. Master's Degree.