Irrelevant. Yhwach specifically discounted Yamamoto as a SWP, and already formulated his five SWPs before invading SS. The fact that Yamamoto did not make it to that list shows that non-SWPS of Soul Society can be stronger than those who are.
It says Urahara vs Kyoraku. The OP did not specify prep. Urahara translates his intellect into victory by incorporating assistance from allies or time to cook up a Kido or gadget. Neither of which are applicable in a prepless match. Your point is moot, here. This is exactly like a UFC match.
If Urahara did have prep, I concede to his victory. But that's not what I'm talking about me. Argue with me how Urahara beats Shunsui with their natural abilities, or concede.
All I know is that Shunsui was given the better portrayal. Shunsui has a reality-warping Bankai that can slit your throat and reflect shared wounds. Urahara has a reconstruction Bankai where its best feat is enhancing his arm to overpower a scrub. Doesn't take much to determine whose abilities are superior to whose.
> Claims that I have no argument
> Forgets what Kenpachi's war potential quality is
Do I have to explain why fighting strength matters in warfare lel? Shunsui isn't a Hulk, yet that doesn't change the fact that Shunsui has a higher chance of beating an opponent than the other way around with his Bankai, including Zaraki. Re-read what I wrote. Shunsui's abilities lie in securing victory in a battle, not turning the tide of a war which is irrelevant to power level or fighting ability.
Yet Urahara clearly doesn't, because the reason he was selected to be SWP has nothing to do with his individual combat efficacy and fighting ability. It has to do with his "unknown means" of overturning Yhwach's plans, yet those 'unknown means' don't always include him accomplishing the ends by himself or on the spot.
Tell me how Shikai Ichigo trumps Shunsui in feats when we see the latter backing the leader of the Elite Sternritters into a corner three times? Whereas Ichigo got no-diffed by the weakest Elite.
Tell me how Shikai Ichigo can generate more power than Base Kenpachi, when we see the latter slicing off Gerard's arm, overpowering his stomp with bare hands, and tanking his punch?
Tell me how Shikai Ichigo has superior physical stats than Renji when we saw the latter low-diffing Vollstandig Mask, who's massively more powerful than his self who decimated Bankai Kensei in h2h and blitzed Bankai Rose? The former who's fast enough to react to a kid who blitzed Ukitake, and the latter who can react to Released Starrk?
How's Urahara gonna evade it when an intangible w/teleportation couldn't? Urahara gets his throat slit and he doesn't reconstruct himself.
Nothing to do with what I said. I said that Urahara's intellect is meaningless against Shunsui since he has no means of escaping its hax abilities, has no prior knowledge of Shunsui's Bankai abilities, and has no prep to come up with an effective counter.
Why? Is regeneration from head explosion not a huge advantage in battle? That's a superior regeneration feat to Hogyoku Aizen and R2 Ulquiorra, btw.
> Askin didn't gain immunity to Urahara's physical attacks, hence why his shoulder got slashed
> Askin didn't gain immunity to Urahara's Bankai, hence why his arm got restructured
Your point is moot here. Urahara has the ability to affect Askin, but failed to inflict anything effective against him. The fact that you're pandering to "but Urahara helped some other guy who actually killed Askin" shows that you've conceded that Urahara lost out to Askin in fighting ability. With his own weight, Shunsui pushed his Sternritter harder than how far Urahara pushed Askin by himself.
Literally explained how Askin's late ascension to Elite status shows that he was the weakest, and how the Elites having better hax than Askin proves their superiority over him.
Oh, you want to use the Nimaiya example? Fact is that Askin only avoided getting one-shotted because he understood Nimaiya's Sayabuse, which Nimaiya stated himself. This means Askin was blitzed two or three times before he understood Sayabuse's nature (which was its cutting potency). If Askin was targeted first, he would have ended up just like the rest. Now let's say Lille was targeted last. Lille would have reacted properly by opening his eye to avoid the slash, then put a bullet in Nimaiya's head with X-axis. Gerard? He would have activated The Miracle, let himself be killed, then proceed to stomp Nimaiya. Pernida? It would have transformed and regenerated from Sayabuse slashes before hijacking Nimaiya's nervous system.
Shunsui blew off Lille's head, stop pretending you don't know what I'm talking about. Point is that Shunsui performed better against Lille with his individual abilities than Urahara did against Askin. The whole "but intelligencez is part of Urahara's abilitiez" does no good, when intellect isn't letting Urahara overcome Shunsui's hax Bankai.
All I see is appeal to the stone and appeal to common sense. Nor did I say that Renji is above Ichigo, I said that Renji was comparable to Ichigo in physical stats. Nor did I mention Rukia > Ichigo. Pls read my response to kotoamatsukami.
>"And this was the dumbest comment" lel.
Where are you going here? Come up with an argument as to how Urahara's intellect lets him handle Shunsui's Bankai in a setting without prep or allies and we'll talk.
