Update: Accurate Power progression between Naruto and Sasuke

[Shruikan]

Yeah, Sasuke definitely got stronger from The Last to Adulthood while Naruto made no real changes since he didn't change. His peak would definitely be The Last overall, but in terms of raw power they are both equal.

I am confused.At one point you say that Sasuke needs the bijuu to counter RSM Naruto.But then say they are equal in raw power

 

[LeSauce]

Lmao cry some more you retard.



No, it means that what Naruto showed during that fight=What Sasuke showed during that fight. :lol Try again.

And like the rest of Sasuke fanboys in this thread you pulled this straight out of your ass. Sasuke's chakra was never stated to be stronger than Kurama's. Sasuke's V3 Susanoo on his own isn't as strong as it was with the cloak. That's a fact.



No, if you could read and debate honestly instead of twisting my words and overcomplicating everything about the argument to hide the fact that you have none of your own, you wouldn't be spewing this nonsense. Kishimoto doesn't religiously need to pay attention to the powers of his characters, but he does pay attention to the powers of his characters and that's a fact. So please don't try to argue against it.



Which is irrelevant to the point. And 100% false. I don't give a damn about how detailed you think Kishimoto pays or fails to pay attention to the powers of his characters.

-Does he pay attention to the power of his characters in general? Yes. He does. That's a fact. All this other irrelevant shit you are mentioning is just irrelevant shit.




No shit. Let's try using our brains. If Kishimoto says "Naruto=Sasuke" in a Boruto the Movie Booklet guide, then he's saying in the movie Naruto and Sasuke are equal. The casual fan will watch the movie, see Naruto and Sasuke perform and then say "They are equal". Quit trying to overcomplicate shit. It won't get you anywhere.




How is the bold relevant? The casual fan doesn't need to forget the abilities Naruto used in the Manga. They will see Naruto and Sasuke perform in the movie, refer to the guidebook and come to the conclusion that Boruto Movie Naruto and Boruto Movie Sasuke are equal. Nothing more, nothing less.

You start talking about how casual fans aren't as attentive yet their attentiveness towards the powers Naruto and Sasuke used in the Manga is a point needed to help your ridiculous argument. :lol




Lmao and again, you sound ridiculous and make no sense. If a casual fan who only read the Manga and watched the movie read the guide, they'd come to the conclusion that Naruto in the Movie=Sasuke in the movie as that statement was made in a movie guide. Why is that concept so hard for you to wrap your head around? Walls of unnecessary text aren't going to change that.

So Sasuke is equal to someone who has both more and stronger chakra than he does? Where did Sasuke show any improvements in his V3 after that? Is his PS somehow the same strength now? If you're saying it's equal to BSM, then you're saying that PS is equal to it as well, yet last time I saw PS in that fight it was used as an upgrade.

Lol, no. I'm just pointing out flaws in your argument, showing a bias towards feats and your knowledge and how it seems to be influencing your conclusion, which doesn't take anything into consideration other than what you see, which is jumping to conclusions. Nothing is overcomplicated about this.

You have done nothing but dismiss the idea that Kishimoto said it as a general statement, and provide no proof as to why he would only be referring to the movie. If Kishimoto says that Naruto was stronger in the manga, would that only be referring to the manga? Would what he said get thrown out the window if they made a movie?

Yeah, no he doesn't compare the powers. If he did he wouldn't have said that he created Madara to be too powerful, if he did, he wouldn't create a villain for both Naruto and Sasuke to fight, when both of them could beat him on their own.

You're also missing the point completely. Why would Kishimoto intentionally make them into a state where he considered them equal if he didn't actually think they were, when the casual fan isn't even going to analyze abilities used? And YES, you are saying this. IF You were right and IF Kishimoto actually meant the characters only shown in the movie, then that does indeed mean that he would have had to compare the characters in his head, in order to have been able use those characters specifically. Otherwise, if you're saying that he didn't compare them in that way, and that he just said it while putting those characters in there, then that means he literally just threw in any power and said the statement, which again, means that it was a general statement. No, stop saying this is purposely complicating things, because it's not.

Don't you think that maybe, just maybe, he didn't care about what power they showed and just wrote it to make the fight exciting?

Don't you think that it would have been easier for him to just not say they were equal, instead of using those specific characters, and then telling every fan that they WERE equal? I mean, if he was indeed only talking about the movie characters.

I like how you completely skip over the next sentence too. Did Kurama not explicitly state that he had given Naruto Senjutsu? That's not looking into details at all. The casual fan won't give a crap about what powers they were using during the movie, a casual fan won't look at it and think that only the movie characters were equal because a casual fan isn't going to analyze every ability they used in the movie and compare them to the ones used in the manga. Again, i'll say it, "for all a casual fan knows, Naruto was using Senjutsu".

You are not the casual fan, you thought about the statement and came to a conclusion based on prior knowledge about the manga instead of just reading it and accepting it, which is what any casual fan would do. Again, i'm talking about your bias in not believing Sasuke would be on par with Ashura mode Naruto.

Moreover, it's a vague comment and should be taken as such. You're the only one trying to make into a specific one.

 

[Illuminater]

This thread makes me feel like it's a huge homework assignment. Pass

 

[Jokule67]

Why the hell are you lying saying he Mastered all the Paths?

 

[Jokule67]

I am confused.At one point you say that Sasuke needs the bijuu to counter RSM Naruto.But then say they are equal in raw power

Its because Naruto can easily get more powerful from the world around him. Starting off they on par but Naruto's bodily chakras and life force are stronger while Sasuke ninjutsu is formidable and Doujutsu super powerful.

 

[Jay SixPaths13]

Based on what? Oh wait, nothing. Just your idiotic wank. I want proof. Not shitty assumptions. Sasuke's Chidori Senbon w/ Bijuu PS stalemated Naruto's small BD in Kurama Mode. That's not regular PS nor is that a Susanoo Arrow nor is that him countering a regular sized Bijuu Dama you stupid cluck.

If both were fresh Naruto would whoop his ass as Sasuke can only match Naruto up to a standard Bijuu Dama. Sasuke can't counter anything stronger than that as his strongest move w/o the Bijuu is PS Chidori. Fact. If he could trap Naruto in CT he would've done that instead of failing to accomplish his mission. Where is the proof he can do this anyway? Him trapping the others is proof he can trap a far superior Naruto? :lol You sound stupid as usual.

Bold is based on nothing and is the same idiotic argument I've seen the only guy in this thread who actually agrees with you use. The power of chakra is what changes the strength of Ninjutsu. Sasuke being fresh doesn't change the power of his chakra. Sasuke having the chakra of all 9 Bijuu merged together (Juubi) does increase the power of his Susanoo's chakra which is why it got stronger and changed form. Sasuke's Susanoo looking like it did when he had the Bijuu is irrelevant. Looks are not power. Get that through your heads.

You sound stupid as hell saying that Sasuke can do what he needed the Bijuu to do, but without the Bijuu. Fresh RSM Naruto>Fresh RG Sasuke w/o Bijuu. Fact.



Lmao you Sasuke fanboys need to stop making these stupid ass excuses. It makes you guys look pathetic.



No, it means that Sasuke w/ Bijuu equals Naruto w/ NE as the Manga shows. In raw power Sasuke is superior, something I already know. Does that change a thing being said here? No. Does it change the fact that Naruto w/o NE is stronger than Sasuke w/o the Bijuu? No, it doesn't. Stop making stupid excuses.

sorry but that is not a fact, Sasuke and Naruto are equal buddy , nice fanfiction though

 

[Dawee]

1) Adult Sasuke - Mastered Rin'negan paths, Amenotijikara, Ability to rip the fabric of space and time at will, Rin'negan Genjutsu, EMS Techniques, ect.
2) The Last Naruto - Everything against Toneri
3) Adult Naruto - RSM but feats and power less than against toneri

Why is Adult Sasuke's power based on what he hypothetically has, but has not shown yet Adult Naruto is restricted to just his feats and power shown?

 

[Wizard_Impressive]

What do u mean worlds senjutsu?

Kishi nerfed them both tbh

 

[lndra]

I am confused.At one point you say that Sasuke needs the bijuu to counter RSM Naruto.But then say they are equal in raw power

Basically what he's saying is that RSM Naruto = Sasuke without excess power.

That means Sasuke with Bijuu chakra > RSM Naruto
RSM Naruto with the 'planets NE' > Rinnegan Sasuke.

That doesn't negate the fact that without the 'excess' they are equal in everything.

OT: Tired of people downplaying RSM Naruto's power. Naruto's Rasengan created in 'base' shot Momoshiki out of the orbit. He's obviously more stronger than his Last version, despite not displaying amazing feats left and right to show improvement.

His raw power is what's important here. Hence why he smashes his weaker version to bits.

 

[SasukeSixPack]

What do u mean worlds senjutsu?

Kishi nerfed them both tbh

Naruto absorbed extra power that he doesn't carry around in RSM to counter Indra's Arrow. Without it he would have been killed.

How did Kishi nerf Naruto and even if you give something that remotely looks like that it's not to the same extent he nerfed Sasuke

 

[Jay SixPaths13]

Based on what? Oh wait, nothing. Just your idiotic wank. I want proof. Not shitty assumptions. Sasuke's Chidori Senbon w/ Bijuu PS stalemated Naruto's small BD in Kurama Mode. That's not regular PS nor is that a Susanoo Arrow nor is that him countering a regular sized Bijuu Dama you stupid cluck.

If both were fresh Naruto would whoop his ass as Sasuke can only match Naruto up to a standard Bijuu Dama. Sasuke can't counter anything stronger than that as his strongest move w/o the Bijuu is PS Chidori. Fact. If he could trap Naruto in CT he would've done that instead of failing to accomplish his mission. Where is the proof he can do this anyway? Him trapping the others is proof he can trap a far superior Naruto? :lol You sound stupid as usual.

Bold is based on nothing and is the same idiotic argument I've seen the only guy in this thread who actually agrees with you use. The power of chakra is what changes the strength of Ninjutsu. Sasuke being fresh doesn't change the power of his chakra. Sasuke having the chakra of all 9 Bijuu merged together (Juubi) does increase the power of his Susanoo's chakra which is why it got stronger and changed form. Sasuke's Susanoo looking like it did when he had the Bijuu is irrelevant. Looks are not power. Get that through your heads.

You sound stupid as hell saying that Sasuke can do what he needed the Bijuu to do, but without the Bijuu. Fresh RSM Naruto>Fresh RG Sasuke w/o Bijuu. Fact.



Lmao you Sasuke fanboys need to stop making these stupid ass excuses. It makes you guys look pathetic.



No, it means that Sasuke w/ Bijuu equals Naruto w/ NE as the Manga shows. In raw power Sasuke is superior, something I already know. Does that change a thing being said here? No. Does it change the fact that Naruto w/o NE is stronger than Sasuke w/o the Bijuu? No, it doesn't. Stop making stupid excuses.

WTF do you mean you need proof ? its common sense you idiot