Update: Accurate Power progression between Naruto and Sasuke

[Blackzoro]

-The Last Sasuke being stronger than VoTe 2 Sasuke is baseless.
-Adult Sasuke being stronger than The Last and Adult Naruto is baseless. Movie guide says Naruto and Sasuke are equal. Take that as you will. Probably means that Naruto w/o excess nature energy=Sasuke w/o Bijuu.



Equal.



Lol Naruto has the upper hand because he's just stronger in the areas that matter. Sasuke is weaker because he's weaker. Nothing more to it.



-EMS Sasuke w/ Jugo and PS being above BM or BSM Naruto is also based on nothing. "Not enough power to breach a PS" is baseless. He doesn't have enough power to breach MADARA'S PS, but Madara>>>Sasuke. By feats Sasuke is comfortably below BM and BSM Naruto whether he has Jugo's power or not.



KN3 was weaker than Early Pt. 2 Sasuke, not KN4. KN4>Any version of PT 2 Sasuke below MS.

Adult Naruto (No Ashura Avatar)=Adult Sasuke
VoTe 2 Naruto=VoTe 2 Sasuke>BSM Naruto>BM Naruto>EMS Sasuke>KCM Naruto>MS Sasuke>KN6>SM Naruto>KN4>Hebi Sasuke>Beginning of pt. 2 Sasuke>KN3 and below Naruto

Thread is soloed. Rest easy

 

[Blackzoro]

Irrelevant. VoTE 2 Sasuke is as strong as he is because of power that enhances his Susanoo not his actual physical stats and other Ninjutsu. Not sure why you even bothered to make that comparison. All you've shown is that Sasuke w/ Bijuu>>The Last Sasuke>>>VoTE 2 Sasuke w/o Bijuu.

Against Momoshiki? Once again you are mentioning irrelevant examples. Their full power is all that matters here and Naruto's full power in the Manga>>Sasuke's full power in the Manga. Same goes for the Boruto Movie. Ashura Avatar is a power Sasuke isn't matching without the Bijuu. All Momoshiki fight shows is that Sasuke=Cloaked Naruto in physical power. What's hilarious is that you are actually sitting here arguing that Adult Sasuke>Adult Naruto when the creator of the Manga we are discussion already stated that they are equal in that specific time frame.

And no, you didn't see Sasuke and Naruto w/o excess energy face off. That would be PS Sasuke vs. Kurama Mode RSM Naruto w/o nature energy. What you saw is obviously Base Naruto and 3-Tomoe/Base Sasuke fighting each other.






Sasuke damaging JJ Madara had jack shit to do with his skill and everything to do with his Ameno, the same Ameno that Naruto can survive so I have no idea what your point is but it makes no sense and it reeks of fanboyism. How about I show you scans of Naruto outperfoming Sasuke during his fight with Kaguya? Who is stronger than JJ Madara? :lol As for their stats:

-Kurama Avatar=PS, but Naruto can use clones. 4 Avatars>1 Avatar=Sasuke's PS.
-Naruto's standard Bijuu Dama=PS Chidori, RG Sasuke's strongest technique outside of anything he can do w/o Bijuu. Naruto can make Bijuu Dama far larger than the standard.
-Outside of PS vs. Kurama combat Naruto would butt rape Sasuke. He's faster, stronger, better reflexes, more durable, Bijuu Dama FRS, Super Bijuu FRS, clones, etc. Sasuke had a fireball distraction and couldn't even land a clean hit of Chidori on Naruto. :lol So tell me more about how Naruto is only better chakra wise? In Taijutsu and close combat Naruto would violate your boy. Let's be 100% real here.




Nope. If you read the Manga, you'd know that EMS Sasuke at best matched a BSM Naruto who used nothing but the regular standard sized Bijuu Dama. Naruto has his Bijuu sized BD, and he has Flash BD. So how exactly is Sasuke equal when Naruto's firepower blows his away and when he's either superior or equal in every other stat that matters?


I don't need proof that Madara's Susanoo is more durable because Sasuke's Susanoo has no feat that puts it on Madara's level. If you want to bring Madara into this discussion and use him as a comparison point for Sasuke you'll have to show why he's on that level. And if that wasn't your intention then you'll have to prove why Naruto's attacks won't get past Sasuke's defense.

Which I know you can't do.




Go read the Manga buddy and get back to me. He said that Sasuke is stronger than KN3. Stronger than KN3=/=On par with KN4. Nothing more to be said on this topic. Whether you want to use statements or a feats based analysis KN4 rips any Sasuke that isn't MS a new one.




-Naruto needs Ashura Avatar to stalemate a Sasuke who is using the Bijuu's power. Naruto w/o it would beat Sasuke w/o his Bijuu and Naruto w/ it would rape Sasuke w/o the Bijuu. That is a FACT so you can stop trying to argue that now.

-So BM Naruto is below EMS Sasuke because you say so? :lol The feats put Sasuke below Naruto in that time period. Saying it isn't so won't change a thing.

Bold is retarded. Hebi Sasuke is stronger than KN3. Anything above that rapes him with little difficulty. Better in every physical ability and has a Bijuu Dama that Sasuke can't survive. If you are going to cry Genjutsu you can stop now unless you want to provide scans of Hebi Sasuke being able to suppress the amount of chakra released when KN4 comes out.

LMAO KG straight owning this pitiful thread

 

[SasukeSixPack]

LMAO KG straight owning this pitiful thread

Dont get me upset.

 

[KidGamer65]

You're wrong here. That power that enhances VotE 2 Sasuke's Susano'o isn't permanently his power. It makes no sense comparing any version of Sasuke to VoTE-2 Sasuke after taking the Bijuu chakra because he'll be stronger than any other version even if the other versions have a better mastery of overall jutsu. Anyone with Jinchuriki level chakra will always be on another level and lets face the facts that Nothing shown in Gaiden or Boruto the Movie matches the Power Sasuke had during VoTE 2 it was only in The Last we saw power like that again.

What are you on about? The main point here is Adult Naruto and Adult Sasuke are equal like the movie guide stated. So arguing otherwise isn't going to prove your point. I already know that the Bijuu aren't part of his power, so why type all this up?

It's a relevant example because all you're doing is "Assuming" they progressed the same after the time skip which obviously isn't the case. Sasuke was out doing missions and engaging in combat while Naruto was dealing with Village affairs. You also contradicted yourself here because saying Sasuke needs Bijuu power to Match Ashura avatar right after you just said they are equal according to the Movie and Manga is contradictory. It doesn't make sense I'm simply trying to show you that it's not impossible of Sasuke to have progressed to that point based on feats which are clearly in my favor because what you fail to realize is that when he said they were equal he meant entirely not what you're trying to suggest in the bold.

I never said they progressed the same. Sasuke progressing faster doesn't prove your point because at the end of the Manga Naruto was stronger than Sasuke. Period. With or without the Nature Energy he took in at the final fight. That's the first thing we need to understand here.

Second of all, what the hell are you even talking about? The statement means that they are equal. Whether you believe it's w/ Ashura Avatar or not is up to you because I don't really care about that as it's not my main point. What you are saying in your post barely matches up with what I said. What were you reading when you replied? Lmao Jesus Christ.

Lol ok lets go ahead and try to ignore the fact that even to use Ameno it requires skill because the technique magically makes Sasuke do the things he does right? It doesn't work like that pal. Whether you try to downplay sasuke's skill with the jutsu or not you can't deny the fact that he was doing more against madara the more skilled and adept opponent. Kaguya's chakra level's didn't mean anything significant because it's not like Madara couldn't have done the same against them after getting the second Rin'negan.

It requiring skill to use doesn't prove any of your points so bringing it up is irrelevant. Stop being a defensive fanboy for one second and start arguing like you have common sense. Main point here is: Mentioning Ameno is pointless because it doesn't give Sasuke any advantage over Naruto. End of story.

-You claimed that Sasuke is superior in Taijutsu and skill, and used him damaging Madara as evidence.
-Despite the fact that Taijutsu and skill have little to do with why he hit Madara. He hit Madara because he could teleport. Nothing more to it.

1. How can 4 Avatars = Sasuke's PS when We already see that Sasuke can attack multiple targets with his Susano'o when he destroyed the multiple Chibaku tensei is such quick time. Not Saying Naruto's clones with their avatars are like Meteorite rocks but they don't have any speed feats like Sasuke's Susano'o so you're going to have to explain how you came to that fanboyish conclusion

Lmao are you dumb or something? 1 Avatar matched Sasuke's Susanoo. Thus more than one Avatar would overpower his Susanoo as the fighting power of 4 Avatars combined>the fighting power of 1 Avatar. This is literally basic math that any unbiased soul who doesn't wank over a fictional character would be able to understand.

Chibaku Tensei are irrelevant because Naruto is not a stationary rock. :lol Sasuke being able to target multiple things doesn't prove your point.

Ironic that this clown has the nerve to call anyone here a fanboy after reading the OP, his last post towards me and then this post.

2. Naruto can't do that without the added natural energy so what's your point? Naruto could never match that power with just Ashura avatar because it's equal to R-Sasuke's PS Avatar.

Naruto can't make larger Bijuu Dama without excess Nature Energy? Are you trolling? Naruto was making Bijuu Dama that dwarfed regular Bijuu with Kurama Mode let alone RSM. So try again. Not even sure what you are saying with the last sentence or why it's relevant to his post. But let me simplify this for you.

Big BD (Naruto's strongest move outside of Ashura avatar)>Regular BD=Chidori (Sasuke's strongest move)

3. Agreed on the fact that Naruto has the better Stats physically overall but Sasuke has a Sharingan, Rin'negan and S/T Ninjutsu which more or less counters that but if you're talking strictly taijutsu then ur rite.

Yeah, close quarters only is what I was referring to.

It all comes down to His PS defense which we already know was necessary to break through Obito's shield in the end. Sasuke PS is the strongest version of his Susano'o and what made it possible for them to get to Obito. We already saw it tanking hits from Kaguya as well and in the same fashion Madara's PS would tank those hits. To be honest a JJ's Lion fist should be more deadly than Shinshuushenju's fist because a Juubi's Jin has chakra and power on Scales wayyy above Hashirama which only proves my point further

Sasuke and Naruto together is what busted through Obito's shield. Don't go attributing that feat to Sasuke alone, that's something a delusional fanboy would do. Not sure why you are mentioning Rinnegan Sasuke's feats here when Rinnegan Sasuke>>>>>>>>>>>>>EMS Sasuke. EMS Sasuke's feats are what you should be using here and EMS Sasuke's feats are trash compared to Madara's in terms of Susanoo. So stop trying to argue that Sasuke tanks Naruto's attacks.

Literally not supported by anything in this Manga let alone in your posts.

No...-_- KN4 is the stage following KN3. If you're > KN3 then you're atlest on par with KN4 which is the following stage. What kind of logic is that . srs.

Are you stupid or something? Being stronger than KN3 means that you are stronger than KN3, not on par with KN4. Your logic:

2 is greater than 1, so it has to be the same as 3 because 3 is the next value after 2. Stupid stupid stupid logic that doesn't take into account that there is a large gap in power between KN3 and KN4.

1. Ashura avatar AND Worlds Natural energy. Stop acting like the Ashura Avatar is something special without the Natural energy :lol now this is pure fanboyism. Ashura avatar = 4 Kurama avatars that's NOT the same as 4 times the power because they are all close and use the same chakra as the Original. I think you should go re-read how shadow clones work before you start making crazy claims like this

:lol

Stop nitpicking you insufferable moron. When I mention Ashura's Avatar the NE being added in is a given.

2. BM Speed is tracked by Sharingan. BM attacks are blocked by Susano'o. CQC their avatars are equal. Clones are ignited with Enton. FRS can be stopped by Amaterasu. Should I go on? And Naruto's chakra useage >/= Sasuke's chakra control.

Which also doesn't prove anything you are saying, that Sasuke is stronger or equal. You managed to cover everything but the things that Sasuke can't actually counter.

-Where is the proof that EMS Sasuke's PS can tank Super BD? Doesn't exist.
-Where is the proof that EMS Sasuke's PS can even damage Naruto's Avatar? Doesn't exist.

That's all that matters here. FRS, Amatersu, quit mentioning irrelevant shit.

3. Now you're beginning to start dumb. Naruto already tried using kyuubi states against Sasuke and he supressed it with 0 difficulty. The Amount of chakra released with KN4 is irrelevant because as long as Kurama is in the Cage Sasuke can supress his chakra and there's nothing he can do. Dude we saw Madara supress ALL of it's chakra using 3 tomoe and you're trying to tell me Hebi Sasuke couldn't do the same with KN4? Lmao. stop...

He suppressed KN0. Not KN4. If you want to claim he can suppress KN4 then prove it or stop posting because you've sounded like nothing but a fanboy throughout this entire post. Madara controlled Kurama, he didn't suppress it's chakra. Even if he did, Madara>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hebi Sasuke. Shitty comparison. Bold is also a statement you've yet to prove, probably because you can't.

Lol when did I say he didnt get stronger. I said you guys shouldnt be suprised. When has he ever not been the fastest guy in the room, or completely outclassed. By Naruto? Hell no.

My point is in the BORUTO movie all he did was taijutsu. We already knew he could do that. What the hell is the big deal. When has he ever not been able to keep up with Naruto. He caught up to a flying Madara and sliced him in half.

But you just said that he's always been capable of this. :lol Why are you trying to make something out of nothing? Are you replying to me just for the sake of posting? :lol

-I'm not surprised.
-No one said it was a big deal.

We were making an observation. That's it. If you aren't trying to make an actual point then there's literally no point in you dragging this conversation on.

 

[Greysama]

This is so stupid at best Sasuke=naruto without using nature energy he can collect himself, unless Sasuke goes around collecting the other 8 bijuu to help his chakra reserves for a fight he's gunna lose versus hokage naruto without a doubt get over it he lost at VOTE 2 BUT naruto fans realize Sasuke>naruto for the MAJORITY of the series as in a significant majority Sasuke was more powerful imo.
Now Ik naruto faps will only listen to what I said in the first part and Sasuke faps will only listen to the second because you wanna defend your fav to the death but let's be honest with ourselves now no need to rustle

 

[Blackzoro]

Sasuke's body showed the same durable feats as adults as Naruto..

Just stop lmao you don't know what durability is. Sasuke got K.0ed by a fire tech Naruto tank a Giant Gudama/ tail beast bomb or whatever I'll go with Gudama considering how it was showing the elements around it but yea warped himself in the explosion but still didn't get K.0ed. You base this off on nothing. He matched his speed and strength as ya claimed.

 

[DHOH]

Just stop lmao you don't know what durability is. Sasuke got K.0ed by a fire tech Naruto tank a Giant Gudama/ tail beast bomb or whatever I'll go with Gudama considering how it was showing the elements around it but yea warped himself in the explosion but still didn't get K.0ed. You base this off on nothing. He matched his speed and strength as ya claimed.

Lo yea tanked = captured lol

 

[Blackzoro]

Lo yea tanked = captured lol

I mean who else was gonna sacrifice himself to save sasuke?

 

[DHOH]

I'm pretty sure Sasuke save him and the kids lol

 

[Jiren]

Just stop lmao you don't know what durability is. Sasuke got K.0ed by a fire tech Naruto tank a Giant Gudama/ tail beast bomb or whatever I'll go with Gudama considering how it was showing the elements around it but yea warped himself in the explosion but still didn't get K.0ed. You base this off on nothing. He matched his speed and strength as ya claimed.

I think Sasuke at full strength could just ameno the blast away.

 

[Greysama]

I mean who else was gonna sacrifice himself to save sasuke?

Naruto obviously saved them that was the whole
Point why are people denying that

 

[Warlocks]

I think Sasuke at full strength could just ameno the blast away.

like he could :lol

 

[Jokule67]

What are you on about? The main point here is Adult Naruto and Adult Sasuke are equal like the movie guide stated. So arguing otherwise isn't going to prove your point. I already know that the Bijuu aren't part of his power, so why type all this up?



I never said they progressed the same. Sasuke progressing faster doesn't prove your point because at the end of the Manga Naruto was stronger than Sasuke. Period. With or without the Nature Energy he took in at the final fight. That's the first thing we need to understand here.

Second of all, what the hell are you even talking about? The statement means that they are equal. Whether you believe it's w/ Ashura Avatar or not is up to you because I don't really care about that as it's not my main point. What you are saying in your post barely matches up with what I said. What were you reading when you replied? Lmao Jesus Christ.



It requiring skill to use doesn't prove any of your points so bringing it up is irrelevant. Stop being a defensive fanboy for one second and start arguing like you have common sense. Main point here is: Mentioning Ameno is pointless because it doesn't give Sasuke any advantage over Naruto. End of story.

-You claimed that Sasuke is superior in Taijutsu and skill, and used him damaging Madara as evidence.
-Despite the fact that Taijutsu and skill have little to do with why he hit Madara. He hit Madara because he could teleport. Nothing more to it.


Lmao are you dumb or something? 1 Avatar matched Sasuke's Susanoo. Thus more than one Avatar would overpower his Susanoo as the fighting power of 4 Avatars combined>the fighting power of 1 Avatar. This is literally basic math that any unbiased soul who doesn't wank over a fictional character would be able to understand.

Chibaku Tensei are irrelevant because Naruto is not a stationary rock. :lol Sasuke being able to target multiple things doesn't prove your point.

Ironic that this clown has the nerve to call anyone here a fanboy after reading the OP, his last post towards me and then this post.



Naruto can't make larger Bijuu Dama without excess Nature Energy? Are you trolling? Naruto was making Bijuu Dama that dwarfed regular Bijuu with Kurama Mode let alone RSM. So try again. Not even sure what you are saying with the last sentence or why it's relevant to his post. But let me simplify this for you.

Big BD (Naruto's strongest move outside of Ashura avatar)>Regular BD=Chidori (Sasuke's strongest move)



Yeah, close quarters only is what I was referring to.




Sasuke and Naruto together is what busted through Obito's shield. Don't go attributing that feat to Sasuke alone, that's something a delusional fanboy would do. Not sure why you are mentioning Rinnegan Sasuke's feats here when Rinnegan Sasuke>>>>>>>>>>>>>EMS Sasuke. EMS Sasuke's feats are what you should be using here and EMS Sasuke's feats are trash compared to Madara's in terms of Susanoo. So stop trying to argue that Sasuke tanks Naruto's attacks.

Literally not supported by anything in this Manga let alone in your posts.





Are you stupid or something? Being stronger than KN3 means that you are stronger than KN3, not on par with KN4. Your logic:

2 is greater than 1, so it has to be the same as 3 because 3 is the next value after 2. Stupid stupid stupid logic that doesn't take into account that there is a large gap in power between KN3 and KN4.







:lol

Stop nitpicking you insufferable moron. When I mention Ashura's Avatar the NE being added in is a given.



Which also doesn't prove anything you are saying, that Sasuke is stronger or equal. You managed to cover everything but the things that Sasuke can't actually counter.

-Where is the proof that EMS Sasuke's PS can tank Super BD? Doesn't exist.
-Where is the proof that EMS Sasuke's PS can even damage Naruto's Avatar? Doesn't exist.

That's all that matters here. FRS, Amatersu, quit mentioning irrelevant shit.




He suppressed KN0. Not KN4. If you want to claim he can suppress KN4 then prove it or stop posting because you've sounded like nothing but a fanboy throughout this entire post. Madara controlled Kurama, he didn't suppress it's chakra. Even if he did, Madara>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hebi Sasuke. Shitty comparison. Bold is also a statement you've yet to prove, probably because you can't.



But you just said that he's always been capable of this. :lol Why are you trying to make something out of nothing? Are you replying to me just for the sake of posting? :lol

-I'm not surprised.
-No one said it was a big deal.

We were making an observation. That's it. If you aren't trying to make an actual point then there's literally no point in you dragging this conversation on.

My point is you making it seem like he's drastically stronger from The Last to Boruto Movie. Thats my freakin point.


And its not just you. Everyone is seeing Sasuke do things(mostly taijutsu) that hes always been capable of doing. That meteor thing is no feat in my eyes by the way, I exlect that of him.

 

[Solo]

-Naruto needs Ashura Avatar to stalemate a Sasuke who is using the Bijuu's power. Naruto w/o it would beat Sasuke w/o his Bijuu and Naruto w/ it would rape Sasuke w/o the Bijuu. That is a FACT so you can stop trying to argue that now.

This post is so full shit. The true fact, is that Naruto need Kurama to stalemate with Sasuke. So, you just ignore the fact how Kurama was basically coaching Naruto.

You just ignore the fact Sasuke didn't used CT, apparently couldn't absorb chakra toward the end, little to no Ameno attempts? Any other Rinnegan abilities, he couldn't do.

The fight is stupid is because you have a fighter who is still learning his abilities vs a character who magically mastered all of his somehow.


By pure facts, Sasuke should have won. Plot just allowed Naruto to win.

No such thing as two people being equal. If Naruto and Sasuke fight, one will win and one will lose.

 

[Warlocks]

This post is so full shit. The true fact, is that Naruto need Kurama to stalemate with Sasuke. So, you just ignore the fact how Kurama was basically coaching Naruto.

You just ignore the fact Sasuke didn't used CT, apparently couldn't absorb chakra toward the end, little to no Ameno attempts? Any other Rinnegan abilities, he couldn't do.

The fight is stupid is because you have a fighter who is still learning his abilities vs a character who magically mastered all of his somehow.


By pure facts, Sasuke should have won. Plot just allowed Naruto to win.

No such thing as two people being equal. If Naruto and Sasuke fight, one will win and one will lose.

sauke need 8.5 bijuu stalemate with naruto +0.5 kurama:bdpf:

sauke use ct to seal them and steal all bijuu chakra used Ameno but failed to anything to naruto
did u read same manga as us

wow u r acting like naruto already knew every rsm tech and used it against sasuke :|

By pure facts naruto should have low dif sasuke

rina+ems sasuke=rsm naruto+0.5 kurama

rina+ems sasuke+8.5bijuu=rsm naruto+0.5 kurama+ne mangafact

 

[KidGamer65]

My point is you making it seem like he's drastically stronger from The Last to Boruto Movie. Thats my freakin point.


And its not just you. Everyone is seeing Sasuke do things(mostly taijutsu) that hes always been capable of doing. That meteor thing is no feat in my eyes by the way, I exlect that of him.

Lmao then your point is idiotic because i only said he was stronger in the boruto movie than he was in the last. Not drastically stronger. Stop trying to make something out of nothing, you look ridiculous trying to argue against an imaginary point.

The meteor feat is a new better feat. I dont care what you expect of him because what you expect literally holds zero relevance in this argument. Get that through your head.

 

[DHOH]

My point is you making it seem like he's drastically stronger from The Last to Boruto Movie. Thats my freakin point.


And its not just you. Everyone is seeing Sasuke do things(mostly taijutsu) that hes always been capable of doing. That meteor thing is no feat in my eyes by the way, I exlect that of him.

Lol Sasuke showed up for five seconds in the last Naruto and you think that we are suppose to assume from that five seconds of fame he's on par with Adult Sasuke? The Sasuke that match RSM Naruto in all physical attributes, taijutsu and speed? No.. No other Sasuke has shown that power and growth but Adult Sasuke.

 

[KidGamer65]

This post is so full shit. The true fact, is that Naruto need Kurama to stalemate with Sasuke. So, you just ignore the fact how Kurama was basically coaching Naruto.

You just ignore the fact Sasuke didn't used CT, apparently couldn't absorb chakra toward the end, little to no Ameno attempts? Any other Rinnegan abilities, he couldn't do.

The fight is stupid is because you have a fighter who is still learning his abilities vs a character who magically mastered all of his somehow.


By pure facts, Sasuke should have won. Plot just allowed Naruto to win.

No such thing as two people being equal. If Naruto and Sasuke fight, one will win and one will lose.

Lmao the only one full of shit is you and the rest of the idiotic Sasuke fanboys who love to grasp at straws and cry about their fav's loss instead of accepting what happened. :lol

CT? Rinnegan techs? Irrelevant. PS is his full power and it failed against Naruto. End of story. Hilarious how you cry about Ameno when he used it twice, failed the first time and did nothing major the second time (and he had the Bijuu to boost his Susanoo's power that time) He needs the Bijuu to defeat a regular RSM Naruto and can only tie w/ Naruto after he's gathered the world's Nature Energy. Sasuke wasn't learning his abilities. Stop making stupid excuses. Sasuke knew his abilities, he just lost. Deal with it kid it'll make life much easier for you.


By pure facts, as in the Manga, They should've tied as the Manga showed they did. If Sasuke didn't use the Bijuu Naruto would've defeated him. :lol And again, you sound stupid. Yes, two people can be equal you tard, that's fact. Doesn't mean that they will always tie in battle.

And it's funny, you say "one will lose and one will win", yet they tied in the Manga when they fought? Am I supposed to believe a deluded troll over Kishimoto? Stop making excuses. You sound foolish. To think people actually thought this guy was a good poster at one time.

 

[Jay SixPaths13]

Irrelevant. VoTE 2 Sasuke is as strong as he is because of power that enhances his Susanoo not his actual physical stats and other Ninjutsu. Not sure why you even bothered to make that comparison. All you've shown is that Sasuke w/ Bijuu>>The Last Sasuke>>>VoTE 2 Sasuke w/o Bijuu.

Against Momoshiki? Once again you are mentioning irrelevant examples. Their full power is all that matters here and Naruto's full power in the Manga>>Sasuke's full power in the Manga. Same goes for the Boruto Movie. Ashura Avatar is a power Sasuke isn't matching without the Bijuu. All Momoshiki fight shows is that Sasuke=Cloaked Naruto in physical power. What's hilarious is that you are actually sitting here arguing that Adult Sasuke>Adult Naruto when the creator of the Manga we are discussion already stated that they are equal in that specific time frame.

And no, you didn't see Sasuke and Naruto w/o excess energy face off. That would be PS Sasuke vs. Kurama Mode RSM Naruto w/o nature energy. What you saw is obviously Base Naruto and 3-Tomoe/Base Sasuke fighting each other.






Sasuke damaging JJ Madara had jack shit to do with his skill and everything to do with his Ameno, the same Ameno that Naruto can survive so I have no idea what your point is but it makes no sense and it reeks of fanboyism. How about I show you scans of Naruto outperfoming Sasuke during his fight with Kaguya? Who is stronger than JJ Madara? :lol As for their stats:

-Kurama Avatar=PS, but Naruto can use clones. 4 Avatars>1 Avatar=Sasuke's PS.
-Naruto's standard Bijuu Dama=PS Chidori, RG Sasuke's strongest technique outside of anything he can do w/o Bijuu. Naruto can make Bijuu Dama far larger than the standard.
-Outside of PS vs. Kurama combat Naruto would butt rape Sasuke. He's faster, stronger, better reflexes, more durable, Bijuu Dama FRS, Super Bijuu FRS, clones, etc. Sasuke had a fireball distraction and couldn't even land a clean hit of Chidori on Naruto. :lol So tell me more about how Naruto is only better chakra wise? In Taijutsu and close combat Naruto would violate your boy. Let's be 100% real here.




Nope. If you read the Manga, you'd know that EMS Sasuke at best matched a BSM Naruto who used nothing but the regular standard sized Bijuu Dama. Naruto has his Bijuu sized BD, and he has Flash BD. So how exactly is Sasuke equal when Naruto's firepower blows his away and when he's either superior or equal in every other stat that matters?


I don't need proof that Madara's Susanoo is more durable because Sasuke's Susanoo has no feat that puts it on Madara's level. If you want to bring Madara into this discussion and use him as a comparison point for Sasuke you'll have to show why he's on that level. And if that wasn't your intention then you'll have to prove why Naruto's attacks won't get past Sasuke's defense.

Which I know you can't do.




Go read the Manga buddy and get back to me. He said that Sasuke is stronger than KN3. Stronger than KN3=/=On par with KN4. Nothing more to be said on this topic. Whether you want to use statements or a feats based analysis KN4 rips any Sasuke that isn't MS a new one.




-Naruto needs Ashura Avatar to stalemate a Sasuke who is using the Bijuu's power. Naruto w/o it would beat Sasuke w/o his Bijuu and Naruto w/ it would rape Sasuke w/o the Bijuu. That is a FACT so you can stop trying to argue that now.

-So BM Naruto is below EMS Sasuke because you say so? :lol The feats put Sasuke below Naruto in that time period. Saying it isn't so won't change a thing.

Bold is retarded. Hebi Sasuke is stronger than KN3. Anything above that rapes him with little difficulty. Better in every physical ability and has a Bijuu Dama that Sasuke can't survive. If you are going to cry Genjutsu you can stop now unless you want to provide scans of Hebi Sasuke being able to suppress the amount of chakra released when KN4 comes out.

Kid Gamer you make absolutely no sense . Sasuke has Susanoo arrows that can most definitely counter Bijuudamas stoop the nonsense
And for the last ****ing time , Naruto does NOT HAVE ASURA AVATAR . Ashura's avatar is only exclusive to him . The only thing Naruto did was create a form similar to that w Kurama's avatar and 2 clones so again IT IS NOT ASHURA's AVATAR

 

[Jay SixPaths13]

Lmao the only one full of shit is you and the rest of the idiotic Sasuke fanboys who love to grasp at straws and cry about their fav's loss instead of accepting what happened. :lol

CT? Rinnegan techs? Irrelevant. PS is his full power and it failed against Naruto. End of story. Hilarious how you cry about Ameno when he used it twice, failed the first time and did nothing major the second time (and he had the Bijuu to boost his Susanoo's power that time) He needs the Bijuu to defeat a regular RSM Naruto and can only tie w/ Naruto after he's gathered the world's Nature Energy. Sasuke wasn't learning his abilities. Stop making stupid excuses. Sasuke knew his abilities, he just lost. Deal with it kid it'll make life much easier for you.


By pure facts, as in the Manga, They should've tied as the Manga showed they did. If Sasuke didn't use the Bijuu Naruto would've defeated him. :lol And again, you sound stupid. Yes, two people can be equal you tard, that's fact. Doesn't mean that they will always tie in battle.

And it's funny, you say "one will lose and one will win", yet they tied in the Manga when they fought? Am I supposed to believe a deluded troll over Kishimoto? Stop making excuses. You sound foolish.

Again you are an idiot . Sasuke was obv running low on chakra , he knew that both him and Naruto was low on chakra so he knew that if he can find a way to gather a lil more chakra that he can overpower Naruto and he did . Even when Naruto gather all of the Nature energy , Sasukes Indra arrow was still stronger having lighting bolts as the size of kirins dropping from the sky . . When Sasuke obtain that new susanoo Naruto couldn't even touch him dude , he was getting his ass knocked back and forth like it was nothing . And btw the way if he didn't use Bijuu , he woulda still found a way to stalemate Naruto so again stop dickriding