Update: Accurate Power progression between Naruto and Sasuke

[Aznkidd]

No but Kishimoto's movie guidebook does.Not my fault you misinterpret subtle meanings

same to vote1, Naruto spared Sasuke and not burst his head open, but instead scratched the headband, but sausages always yelling a like 3 years old girl like Sasuke being somehow superior....

 

[SasukeSixPack]

Easily. Everything KG has said I completely support 100%

I don't see why the Bee fight changes anything. Sasuke was getting trashed the whole time and he had backup

Because 3T Genjutsu already decides the match. Naruto already tried this in the retrieval arc

No. Manga shows us that Sasuke who is nothing without Itachis eyes couldnt win against holding back, tired Naruto even having chakra of all bijuus on his side.

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Save the trash talk because Naruto was given a free power up from the beginning that was alot better and still couldn't beat Sasuke 90% of the series. Yeah Sasuke said he lost that fight, it doesn't mean he's weaker. Itachi also lost to Sasuke, does that mean he's weaker? No.

I think it depends. It's not like it was a fight, he could pump as much chakra as he wanted for that attack. He could of used nagashi to stream through the meteor and break it into pieces. Etc. honestly I wasn't nearly as impressed by sasukes one feat(as it didn't seem surprising at all that he could do that) as I was impressed with narutos base skills, which is why I posted that in the first place

It takes a crap load of chakra to do that. It's a feat eqivalent to Naruto making a regular rasengan in base with the power to destroy something the same size. IIRC that meteorite > Edo Nagato's CT meaning that chidori from Sasuke has roughly the same force as KM Naruto's FRS, Itachi's Magatama and Bee's BD.

a saucefap does not qualify enough to even make a list between Naruto VS Sasuke since the list is obiviously biased....

Say's it's baised without proving how :lol typical. Why am i not surpised, oh wait you're a Sasuke hater.

 

[InfiniteMugen]

Because 3T Genjutsu already decides the match. Naruto already tried this in the retrieval arc

Save the trash talk because Naruto was given a free power up from the beginning that was alot better and still couldn't beat Sasuke 90% of the series. Yeah Sasuke said he lost that fight, it doesn't mean he's weaker. Itachi also lost to Sasuke, does that mean he's weaker? No.

It takes a crap load of chakra to do that. It's a feat eqivalent to Naruto making a regular rasengan in base with the power to destroy something the same size. IIRC that meteorite > Edo Nagato's CT meaning that chidori from Sasuke has roughly the same force as KM Naruto's FRS, Itachi's Magatama and Bee's BD.


Say's it's baised without proving how :lol typical. Why am i not surpised, oh wait you're a Sasuke hater.

Kind of, but that depends. Like I said if he nagashi'd it it wouldn't take as much. The way nagashi works in general would make pretty easy to break apart a meteor like that.... Actually it even kind of looks like nagashi if you watch it. You hear chidori and see lighting surround and come out of the meteor and then it's almost as if sasuke pumps some more chakra into it and it explodes

 

[take it easy]

Save the trash talk because Naruto was given a free power up from the beginning that was alot better and still couldn't beat Sasuke 90% of the series.

But he won the most important fight. Its all what matter.

Yeah Sasuke said he lost that fight, it doesn't mean he's weaker. Itachi also lost to Sasuke, does that mean he's weaker? No.

Itachi never had killing intents unlike Sasuke, he just tested him. Same cant be said about Sasuke .

 

[KidGamer65]

The Last Sasuke can make a chidori that has the same destructive power as Kirin. VoTE 2 Sasuke didn't have lightening tech's on that level. He's obviously stronger and would have gotten stronger after his fight with Naruto. The bold is very wrong. Adult sasuke's S/T Tech's >> The Last and Vote-2 Sasuke and adding to that, After Sasuke regained his eye power he would have been a better fighter than Naruto because lets not forget they were both being extremely trash against Shin this is before he got his power back and even Against Momoshiki and Kinshiki Sasuke was doing more blow for blow than Naruto. Not saying Naruto is weak or has less chakra but Sasuke is obviously superior. Here's the thing. After the Indra Arrow + BDFRS clash we saw Sasuke and Naruto w/o excess energy face off and Naruto still had to rely on Kurama in the end, pretty much shows that they're unequal

Irrelevant. VoTE 2 Sasuke is as strong as he is because of power that enhances his Susanoo not his actual physical stats and other Ninjutsu. Not sure why you even bothered to make that comparison. All you've shown is that Sasuke w/ Bijuu>>The Last Sasuke>>>VoTE 2 Sasuke w/o Bijuu.

Against Momoshiki? Once again you are mentioning irrelevant examples. Their full power is all that matters here and Naruto's full power in the Manga>>Sasuke's full power in the Manga. Same goes for the Boruto Movie. Ashura Avatar is a power Sasuke isn't matching without the Bijuu. All Momoshiki fight shows is that Sasuke=Cloaked Naruto in physical power. What's hilarious is that you are actually sitting here arguing that Adult Sasuke>Adult Naruto when the creator of the Manga we are discussion already stated that they are equal in that specific time frame.

And no, you didn't see Sasuke and Naruto w/o excess energy face off. That would be PS Sasuke vs. Kurama Mode RSM Naruto w/o nature energy. What you saw is obviously Base Naruto and 3-Tomoe/Base Sasuke fighting each other.

He's stronger Chakra wise...that's it. Taijutsu wise and skill wise Sasuke has the upper hand. Why do you think Sasuke was doing more Damage to JJ Madara while Naruto was just acting like support?

Sasuke damaging JJ Madara had jack shit to do with his skill and everything to do with his Ameno, the same Ameno that Naruto can survive so I have no idea what your point is but it makes no sense and it reeks of fanboyism. How about I show you scans of Naruto outperfoming Sasuke during his fight with Kaguya? Who is stronger than JJ Madara? :lol As for their stats:

-Kurama Avatar=PS, but Naruto can use clones. 4 Avatars>1 Avatar=Sasuke's PS.
-Naruto's standard Bijuu Dama=PS Chidori, RG Sasuke's strongest technique outside of anything he can do w/o Bijuu. Naruto can make Bijuu Dama far larger than the standard.
-Outside of PS vs. Kurama combat Naruto would butt rape Sasuke. He's faster, stronger, better reflexes, more durable, Bijuu Dama FRS, Super Bijuu FRS, clones, etc. Sasuke had a fireball distraction and couldn't even land a clean hit of Chidori on Naruto. :lol So tell me more about how Naruto is only better chakra wise? In Taijutsu and close combat Naruto would violate your boy. Let's be 100% real here.

Are you kidding me :lol dude EMs Sasuke w/ jugo fought on equal grounds with BSM Naruto against Obito. Even if you compare their feats and abilities once Sasuke gains Natural energy it removes Senjutsu on Naruto's behalf out of the equation. The bold isn't proof that Madara's Susano'o is more durable or that Naruto's attacks > Sasuke defense. Madara being stronger just means he's a better fighter. By feats I can show you how Sasuke could fight on equal ground with or even beat BM Naruto but he can't beat BSM without added power from Juugo.

Nope. If you read the Manga, you'd know that EMS Sasuke at best matched a BSM Naruto who used nothing but the regular standard sized Bijuu Dama. Naruto has his Bijuu sized BD, and he has Flash BD. So how exactly is Sasuke equal when Naruto's firepower blows his away and when he's either superior or equal in every other stat that matters?


I don't need proof that Madara's Susanoo is more durable because Sasuke's Susanoo has no feat that puts it on Madara's level. If you want to bring Madara into this discussion and use him as a comparison point for Sasuke you'll have to show why he's on that level. And if that wasn't your intention then you'll have to prove why Naruto's attacks won't get past Sasuke's defense.

Which I know you can't do.

Lol no. Orochimaru specifically said that Sasuke was stronger and Sasuke made it clear why he was when they finally met. KN4 Naruto isn't beating a Hebi Sasuke. You can get away with Early Part 2 Sasuke since we don't have any gague on his abilites at the time but Orochimaru already said he was > KN3 Naruto which means he's most likely on par with KN4 at that time

Go read the Manga buddy and get back to me. He said that Sasuke is stronger than KN3. Stronger than KN3=/=On par with KN4. Nothing more to be said on this topic. Whether you want to use statements or a feats based analysis KN4 rips any Sasuke that isn't MS a new one.

Naruto needs Ashura avatar to stalemate Sasuke and that was made clear since their fight at VoTE 2, that's NEVER going to change. The bold is cringe worthy smh. Dude there's no way BM Naruto is going to be above EMS Sasuke he's either equal to or weaker and KN6 and KN4 Naruto can't beat Hebi Sasuke that's the real thing that's based on nothing.

-Naruto needs Ashura Avatar to stalemate a Sasuke who is using the Bijuu's power. Naruto w/o it would beat Sasuke w/o his Bijuu and Naruto w/ it would rape Sasuke w/o the Bijuu. That is a FACT so you can stop trying to argue that now.

-So BM Naruto is below EMS Sasuke because you say so? :lol The feats put Sasuke below Naruto in that time period. Saying it isn't so won't change a thing.

Bold is retarded. Hebi Sasuke is stronger than KN3. Anything above that rapes him with little difficulty. Better in every physical ability and has a Bijuu Dama that Sasuke can't survive. If you are going to cry Genjutsu you can stop now unless you want to provide scans of Hebi Sasuke being able to suppress the amount of chakra released when KN4 comes out.

 

[KidGamer65]

Was gonna post but I'm just gonna second this, including your list. The Last versions get weird but personally I think the last Sasuke is weaker than Adult Sasuke and the last Naruto w/ RSM is on par or a little stronger than Hokage Naruto

Yeah, Sasuke definitely got stronger from The Last to Adulthood while Naruto made no real changes since he didn't change. His peak would definitely be The Last overall, but in terms of raw power they are both equal.

 

[Tantalus Thief]

So Sasuke's words "I lost to him" means nothing for you ?

nearly 2 years later lmao. Both were on the ground bleeding out. Neither won. Sasuke said he lost on an ideal scale and you should listen to your "fav" when he said it's a battle you can't win or lose. Inb4 you again misinterpret the manga.
OP: Hebi Sauce isn't beating KN4 of KN6. VOTE 2 Sasuke is the strongest form of Sasuke because of the chakra he had.

 

[take it easy]

nearly 2 years later lmao. Both were on the ground bleeding out. Neither won. Sasuke said he lost on an ideal scale and you should listen to your "fav" when he said it's a battle you can't win or lose. Inb4 you again misinterpret the manga.

Same excuses i see. For Sasuke this battle never was only battle of ideals, stop denying the truth. He lost to Naruto in all meanings.

Wanted to kill Naruto physically but failed

Wanted to make revolution but failed

Wanted to kill bijuu and kage but failed

 

[Guntah]

That's pretty much the expected coming from a Sasuke fanboy....

But no. Naruto and Sasuke are equals in the end.

 

[Jokule67]

Adult Sasuke did NOT master all paths.

 

[LeSauce]

- Movie guide says Naruto and Sasuke are equal. Take that as you will. Probably means that Naruto w/o excess nature energy=Sasuke w/o Bijuu.
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Literally nothing suggests this.

Are people really arguing about this? I guess I could say that it probably means they're equal only until Sasuke stops being nerfed.
Wow, dude.

 

[KidGamer65]

Literally nothing suggests this.

Are people really arguing about this? I guess I could say that it probably means they're equal only until Sasuke stops being nerfed.
Wow, dude.

Neither are considered to be Naruto or Sasukes own power and the movie fight scene that shows them fighting on par is of RSM Kurama and PS. Sasukes strongest move.

You cant say that because Sasuke being nerfed is a nonsense assertion based on nothing unlike the movir guide not taking the nature energy of the entire world into account.

 

[Jokule67]

Neither are considered to be Naruto or Sasukes own power and the movie fight scene that shows them fighting on par is of RSM Kurama and PS. Sasukes strongest move.

You cant say that because Sasuke being nerfed is a nonsense assertion based on nothing unlike the movir guide not taking the nature energy of the entire world into account.

Not the entire world just the surrounding area matched the bijuus attack.

 

[Jokule67]

Literally nothing suggests this.

Are people really arguing about this? I guess I could say that it probably means they're equal only until Sasuke stops being nerfed.
Wow, dude.

Naruto was nerfed also.

1)no speed blitzes
2) no frog kumite/bijuu arm taijutsu combos
3)no ninjutsu spammimg
4) no shadowclone jutsu till the avatar
6)mathematically should be 100x stronger and durable than Sasuke because of SM/RSM and 9 bijuu mode. Sasuke shouldnt be able to touch him.
5) nerfed his Truth Seeker Orbs by a million(no shape manipulation, explosion, omnyouton, or elemental effects)

 

[LeSauce]

Neither are considered to be Naruto or Sasukes own power and the movie fight scene that shows them fighting on par is of RSM Kurama and PS. Sasukes strongest move.

You cant say that because Sasuke being nerfed is a nonsense assertion based on nothing unlike the movir guide not taking the nature energy of the entire world into account.

Do you really think Kishi gives a **** about what people consider to be their own power or not?

It doesn't matter what the fight scene shows, and yes I can because it's exactly the same thing you're doing. You're interpreting Kishi's words to mean something different based on your own knowledge. Kishi never said that they were equal only until one of them tried something that wasn't shown in the movie; it's a blanket statement, and you're trying to make into a specific one for whatever reason.

^^^^ It was just an example dude.

 

[Jokule67]

Yeah, Sasuke definitely got stronger from The Last to Adulthood while Naruto made no real changes since he didn't change. His peak would definitely be The Last overall, but in terms of raw power they are both equal.

Sasuke has always been that way. The only change is that he can open portals. Animators really hyped you guys up and you dont even realize it.

 

[DHOH]

So Sasuke's words "I lost to him" means nothing for you ?

Lol no. The Sasuke that lost was much weaker than current Adult Sasuke..

 

[take it easy]

Lol no. The Sasuke that lost was much weaker than current Adult Sasuke..

His displayed feats are:
Opening portals
Speed and strength on par with Naruto who wasnt in full power
I dont think these feats can be compared with Indras arrow

 

[Warlocks]

His displayed feats are:
Opening portals
Speed and strength on par with Naruto who wasnt in full power
I dont think these feats can be compared with Indras arrow

Adult sasuke with biju>>>sasuke with biju>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Adult sasuke without biju>>>sasuke without biju

 

[KidGamer65]

Sasuke has always been that way. The only change is that he can open portals. Animators really hyped you guys up and you dont even realize it.

Lmao. Animators animate. Kishimoto writes the story. Kishimoto decided that Sasuke would keep up w/ cloaked Naruto in Taijutsu and Kishimoto decided that Sasuke's Chidori can vaporize a Mountain Sized Meteor. So no, Sasuke is obviously much stronger. Animators isn't an excuse you can use here.

Do you really think Kishi gives a **** about what people consider to be their own power or not?

It doesn't matter what the fight scene shows, and yes I can because it's exactly the same thing you're doing. You're interpreting Kishi's words to mean something different based on your own knowledge. Kishi never said that they were equal only until one of them tried something that wasn't shown in the movie; it's a blanket statement, and you're trying to make into a specific one for whatever reason.

^^^^ It was just an example dude.

Lol you sound ridiculous. Fights are how strength is illustrated. If the movie guide says Naruto=Sasuke, and that same movie shows them fighting on par using Kurama and PS, then those are the states that the guide is referring to. Nothing more to it. Saying "Sasuke=Ashura Mode Naruto" is based on little to nothing and definitely not more than what the opposite conclusion has for support. Try using your brain and the solution should come pretty easy.

And that example sucked.

Not the entire world just the surrounding area matched the bijuus attack.

No, the VIZ says "everything available". How does that translate to the surrounding area? Japanese

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say the entire planet.