[Predictions] Unraveling the mystery of the Uchiha massacre

[drslim]

Greetings, Naruto readers! I think it is time to unravel the mystery of the Uchiha massacre. We have now enough hard facts and information to make accurate predictions about what will be the solution of this mystery.

Some of you may ask, why is it a mystery at all? Itachi confessed to Naruto, after all? But, in my opinion, much is still unexplained.

Let me try to pose a few old questions again:

How did Itachi kill the entire Uchiha clan, especially without getting wounded himself?

Even Sasuke has doubts about this, and Itachi confirms them. (manga/Naruto/385/4)

In the light of what we know, I think that the only explanation is that Itachi did not do it alone. The question is to what extend he was involved, but IMO, the massacre was done by the entire Root organization.

Itachi's role was just to take the blame for them. That is why Danzo kept saying about Itachi's sacrifice! Itachi did this in order to save Sasuke, and that is also why Sasuke was not harmed by Root.

Also, such an explanation fits another piece of the puzzle: Danzo had a much better motive than Itachi to kill the Uchiha. As a matter of fact, the massacre perfectly fits Danzo's twisted way of thinking. The Uchiha were a threat to Konoha, and he wanted the Sharingan.

In the light of this, Sasuke's determination to destroy Konoha also makes more sense. It is impossible to identify Root members, and many Konoha ninja could have been in Root. So why not to kill them wholesale?

However, another important question remains: what was Madara's role? And here is an intersting new fact: Itachi did not know that Madara knew about his agreement with Danzo!

(manga/Naruto/549/8) Itachi says: "Goddamn you, Madara... So you did know..."

Now what does this tell us? If Itachi was involved in the massacre together with Danzo, then Madara could not have been on their side. Either Itachi was not involved in the massacre at all, or Madara was not on his side!

However, here is another conjecture that I think is important. Let's begin with another question:

Why did the Uchiha rebel?

Of course, we have Madara's explanation about the discrimination of the Uchiha in Konoha. However, look at the facts: the Uchiha were quite well off. They had an important position in Konoha. Why should they have risked it all, if there was not immediate threat? How could they think that their coup would succeed?

One possible answer is that they were manipulated. And, of course, the main candidate for doing this is Madara. This is how he has worked, behind the scenes, by plotting and manipulating people (like the fourth Mizukage or Nagato).

Madara could have persuaded Uchiha leaders that with his support, the coup would be successful. Or, he could even have put some of them under the Tsukuyomi genjutsu (recall that it is stronger than the ordinary Sharingan).

And here we come to another part of the mystery: the role of Uchiha Shisui.

If Madara was behind the plot of the Uchiha, then perhaps Shisui was the one who discovered it. At the time, Shisui was the only Uchiha besides Madara who had the Mangekyo Sharingan. That means that he would be able to see through Madara's genjutsu, and recognize that he was manipulating the Uchiha.

I think that the meetings that the Uchiha have held (manga/Naruto/222/2) concerned their plot, and that during these meeting Shisui discovered Madara's involvement. I think that it was then that Shisui decided to betray his clan to Danzo. It may be that Shisui was in Root. However, Shisui could not bear this and committed suicide.

Still, Shisui wished that Itachi would be capable of confronting Madara after his death. For this, it was necessary for Itachi to have the Mangekyo. This is why he asked Itachi to witness his death.

In order to strengthen Itachi further, Shisui gave him one of his eyes. The other one he gave to Danzo.

An unresolved issue is still why Itachi did not tell the whole story to Naruto and Sasuke. I think it is because the truth would not have persuaded Sasuke to turn aside in his vengeance. Itachi tried to point the entire blame at Madara, instead, during his last conversation with Sasuke.

And Itachi does not want Naruto (and the other Konoha ninja) to know the truth about the role of Root. I am not sure why; but for this reason Itachi decided to take the whole blame himself, and later to blame Madara. Of course, if I am correct, than Madara is still responsible for the massacre, because he persuaded the Uchiha to rebel.

Everyone, please correct me if I am wrong, and tell me what you think. I really believe that we can solve this mystery together!

 

[Allan Hoshigaki]

yea I agree withalot of things in here. but im not quite sure root helped they were there to collect the sharingans but it was itachi and madara who took the clan out shisui died before this thats why itachi obtained the mangekyou. and madara wasnt manipluating ppl in the uchiha clan he just took the fox and attacked the village but the elders assumed it was the uhiha who summoned the beast and blamed them for it. then the uchiha planned a coup against the leaf and shisui had the same beliefs as itachi vise versa and he wanted to die cuz like you said he was also working with danzou

 

[CeeJay.]

Great theory.
I'll be researching more about this and ill get back to you with my opinion

 

[drslim]

yea alot of things in here. but im not quite sure root helped they were there to collect the sharingans but it was itachi and madara who took the clan out shisui died before this thats why itachi obtained the mangekyou. and madara wasnt manipluating ppl in the uchiha clan he just took the fox and attacked the village but the elders assumed it was the uhiha who summoned the beast and blamed them for it. then the uchiha planned a coup against the leaf and shisui had the same beliefs as itachi vise versa and he wanted to die cuz like you said he was also working with danzou

I do not know how Itachi, Danzo and Madara could have been on one side during the Uchiha massacre. If this was true, then why is Itachi surprised that Madara knew about his agreement with Danzo?
I think that Itachi, Shisui and Danzo worked together, but Madara was on the other side (with the Uchiha). Perhaps he just promised them his help and then betrayed them.

 

[Disquiet]

I still question shisui's death,but there are too many holes in that so I'm going to move pass that,alright, I for one think itachi may have been getting manipulated,danzo did have shisui's eye.the clan and the father both said "your actions and words have been strange lately". I know that shisui's eyes is going to have a big role behind the massacre,and remember madara manipulated the mizukage and the new mizukage said that there is a possible link between that jutsu and the one danzo used to manipulate mifune.

 

[Allan Hoshigaki]

I do not know how Itachi, Danzo and Madara could have been on one side during the Uchiha massacre. If this was true, then why is Itachi surprised that Madara knew about his agreement with Danzo?
I think that Itachi, Shisui and Danzo worked together, but Madara was on the other side (with the Uchiha). Perhaps he just promised them his help and then betrayed them.

wait they were cuz itachi told sasuke that the third person whohelped him was madara and infact he is alive. then when madara brought sasuke too danzou madara said to danzou is in the manga long time no see danzou not since the uchiha incident. now before itachi was orderedto kill his clan the third and all the elders had a discussion about this the thirs didnt want it. but it had to be done. also a root memeber approached itachi and said hurry and make your desicion or well have to kill them ourselves. itachi and madara killed them madara took the sharingans he wanted and danzou took his im pretty sure danzou nice that madara was alive for a while now and so did orochimaru. and also itachi gave madara a deal saying help me kill the clan in return dont do nothing to the village madara didnt like the uchiha cuz they betrayed him in his times

 

[Allan Hoshigaki]

I still question shisui's death,but there are too many holes in that so I'm going to move pass that,alright, I for one think itachi may have been getting manipulated,danzo did have shisui's eye.the clan and the father both said "your actions and words have been strange lately". I know that shisui's eyes is going to have a big role behind the massacre,and remember madara manipulated the mizukage and the new mizukage said that there is a possible link between that jutsu and the one danzo used to manipulate mifune.

all of shisui's eyes are gone. and he wasnt being manipluated by shisui cuz shisui knew this massacre was going to take place. and intrusted everything to itachi. so in fact he did write that note. why would he be manipllating itachi and then give him his eye saying protect the village with it but no one even knew itachi had a shisui's eye cuz they thought he destroyed it. and if danzou cant beat sasuke than he is denfinelty not manipluating itachi. they weiighed the village against him cuz they knew he loved the village so they played off that. shisui was like a older brother to itachi they both knew what was going on.and both had the same love for the village

 

[drslim]

I still question shisui's death,but there are too many holes in that so I'm going to move pass that,alright, I for one think itachi may have been getting manipulated,danzo did have shisui's eye.the clan and the father both said "your actions and words have been strange lately". I know that shisui's eyes is going to have a big role behind the massacre,and remember madara manipulated the mizukage and the new mizukage said that there is a possible link between that jutsu and the one danzo used to manipulate mifune.

Hmmm, even if Danzo already had Shisui's eye, put a genjutsu on Itachi and ordered him to kill the Uchiha, I do not believe that Itachi could have done so alone. Also, this does not explain how Itachi got the other eye.

Maybe Itachi was in Root. And Shisui told him about the Uchiha being manipulated by Madara, then committed suicide. Shisui asked him to take both eyes, and Itachi gave one of them to Danzo.

 

[drslim]

wait they were cuz itachi told sasuke that the third person whohelped him was madara and infact he is alive. then when madara brought sasuke too danzou madara said to danzou is in the manga long time no see danzou not since the uchiha incident. now before itachi was orderedto kill his clan the third and all the elders had a discussion about this the thirs didnt want it. but it had to be done. also a root memeber approached itachi and said hurry and make your desicion or well have to kill them ourselves. itachi and madara killed them madara took the sharingans he wanted and danzou took his im pretty sure danzou nice that madara was alive for a while now and so did orochimaru. and also itachi gave madara a deal saying help me kill the clan in return dont do nothing to the village madara didnt like the uchiha cuz they betrayed him in his times

Well I think that Itachi lied to Sasuke about Madara being his accomplice (not the first time he did, he never told Sasuke the truth

Madara could have met Danzou during the massacre, if he was on the Uchiha side. But I have another idea: maybe Madara tipped of Danzou about the coup himself! That would have been really clever. He would make sure that Danzou would do something about it.

And of course Madara hated the Uchiha, but that does not mean that he had to kill them himself. Much more neat having Root and Itachi do this, after persuading the Uchiha to rebel.

The question of how Madara got the Sharingans bothers me a little. Perhaps he collected them from the corpses, like Danzou, after the massacre. Perhaps that's how they met

 

[drslim]

wait they were cuz itachi told sasuke that the third person whohelped him was madara and infact he is alive. then when madara brought sasuke too danzou madara said to danzou is in the manga long time no see danzou not since the uchiha incident. now before itachi was orderedto kill his clan the third and all the elders had a discussion about this the thirs didnt want it. but it had to be done. also a root memeber approached itachi and said hurry and make your desicion or well have to kill them ourselves. itachi and madara killed them madara took the sharingans he wanted and danzou took his im pretty sure danzou nice that madara was alive for a while now and so did orochimaru. and also itachi gave madara a deal saying help me kill the clan in return dont do nothing to the village madara didnt like the uchiha cuz they betrayed him in his times

What you said about the Third and Danzo discussing the Uchiha is interesting. Maybe Danzo was asking the Third to agree that Root would attack the Uchiha?

But why was it necessary to kill them? (From the Third's, not from Danzo's point of view). I think it was because with Madara on their side, they were too dangerous. If some of them remained alive, Madara could have used them any time against Konoha.

And since Itachi took the blame, the only remaining survivor -- Sasuke -- directed his whole hate against Itachi. When Sasuke attacked Danzo later, Danzo said that his actions made Itachi's sacrifice meaningless. So it looks like Danzo and Itachi had agreed about this before.

 

[Disquiet]

all of shisui's eyes are gone. and he wasnt being manipluated by shisui cuz shisui knew this massacre was going to take place. and intrusted everything to itachi. so in fact he did write that note. why would he be manipllating itachi and then give him his eye saying protect the village with it but no one even knew itachi had a shisui's eye cuz they thought he destroyed it. and if danzou cant beat sasuke than he is denfinelty not manipluating itachi. they weiighed the village against him cuz they knew he loved the village so they played off that. shisui was like a older brother to itachi they both knew what was going on.and both had the same love for the village

no offense,but if shisui was behind it,all of that is kind of irrevelant since his goal would have been to deceive and manipulate and I don't know the reason he would have given itachi his eye but then again I don't know why'd he do any of it,the suicide thing I mean,I don't trust that letter he wrote,but I said there were holes in this theory.but you know what's strange, and I mean really strange.itachi told naruto that when he saw shisui,his left eye had already been taken,it would make you think that it was there the previous time he saw him,of course itachi was older and I assume that was around the time he gave itachi his other eye,but if what itachi said was true then why danzo HAVE HIS LEFT EYE COVERED DURING THE WAR WHEN NAGATO KILLED HANZO!! I think kishi showed this for a reason,we just didn't pay attention.and remember the war was waaaaaaay before shisui killed himself,I know that his eyes definitely to do with the massacre.

 

[Allan Hoshigaki]

Well I think that Itachi lied to Sasuke about Madara being his accomplice (not the first time he did, he never told Sasuke the truth

Madara could have met Danzou during the massacre, if he was on the Uchiha side. But I have another idea: maybe Madara tipped of Danzou about the coup himself! That would have been really clever. He would make sure that Danzou would do something about it.

And of course Madara hated the Uchiha, but that does not mean that he had to kill them himself. Much more neat having Root and Itachi do this, after persuading the Uchiha to rebel.

The question of how Madara got the Sharingans bothers me a little. Perhaps he collected them from the corpses, like Danzou, after the massacre. Perhaps that's how they met

okay both itachi and madara said they did it they both told sasuke that. madara said itachi sought out madara cuz he knew he was alive and madea deal with him. i think you need to read the manga again and refresh your mind about what happened.

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just read the talkling and then read the beginning were madara told him the truth

 

[drslim]

okay both itachi and madara said they did it they both told sasuke that. madara said itachi sought out madara cuz he knew he was alive and madea deal with him. i think you need to read the manga again and refresh your mind about what happened. just read the talkling and then read the beginning were madara told him the truth

You are right that Madara told Sasuke that he was Itachi's accomplice. (manga/Naruto/397/16)

Still, this may have been a lie. Madara was trying to direct Sasuke's hatred against Danzo. Admitting that he had manipulated the Uchiha to rebel would have, IMO, made Sasuke attack Madara instead.

On the other hand, this may have also been true. Madara could have worked on both sides. If he had put Uchiha leaders under a genjutsu, he could still have offered Itachi his "help".

However, I think that Shisui found him out and warned Itachi.

Itachi was aware that Madara had manipulated the Uchiha. That's why his greatest fear was that Madara would manipulate Sasuke. He made Sasuke's Amaterasu activate when he saw Madara for the first time to prevent this.

 

[drslim]

I wanted to share one more idea that has occurred to me recently. I have thought of a way how Itachi could have killed the entire Uchiha clan with little or no help.

Basically, he would have to cast a Tsukuyomi at some Uchiha clasnmen, and then make them attack the others. Of course, Itachi would have to remain hidden, or pretend to help the others, while bringing more clansmen under his control.

Still, this would have been very risky, and Itachi himself has admitted in his last conversation with Sasuke that he did not do this by himself.

So, to summarize the possible explanations of the Uchiha massacre:

Scenario 1

The Uchiha are manipulated by Madara to start the coup. Madara casts a genjutsu over some Uchiha. Shisui discovers that Madara manipulates clan leaders. Shisui warns Danzo and Itachi. Danzo decides to kill the Uchiha, because of the continuing threat that some of them may use the Kyuubi again to attack Konoha (perhaps this was their plan during the coup, which would be interesting, because they would have to attack Naruto). Shisui agrees that the Uchiha have to be killed, but commits suicide because he cannot bear what is going to happen. He asks Itachi to witness his death so that he will gain the Mangekyo and can confront Madara. Itachi kills the Uchiha with the help of Root.

Scenario 2

It's like Scenario 1, only Madara's manipulation is not discovered. Instead, Shisui is a Root member who decides to warn Danzo about the clan's plan, and then commits suicide. Madara approaches Itachi and offers to help him. Itachi accepts and the two of them kill the Uchiha together. The main difference is that Itachi is not aware that Madara has manipulated the Uchiha, which explains why he did not tell this to Sasuke.

Scenario 3

Madara does not manipulate the Uchiha, who start the coup on their own (which is, IMO, strange. Their only chance would have been to control the Kyuubi, and they would need the MS for that. Perhaps they hoped to persuade Shisui to do this.) As in Scenario 2, Shisui betrays the Uchiha to Danzo, and commits suicide. Madara helps Itachi to kill the Uchiha. This scenario agrees with what Madara and Itachi told Sasuke, but it is IMO quite unlikely. Itachi must think that Madara does not know about his deal with Danzo. But why should Itachi agree to accept the blame if the whole thing could have been blamed on Madara instead? It is possible that Itachi made another deal with Madara to protect Sasuke and Konoha, and agreed not to talk.

Anyone, could you start a poll on these three scenario's? I wonder what everyone thinks about this.

Greetings, Naruto readers! I think it is time to unravel the mystery of the Uchiha massacre. We have now enough hard facts and information to make accurate predictions about what will be the solution of this mystery.

Some of you may ask, why is it a mystery at all? Itachi confessed to Naruto, after all? But, in my opinion, much is still unexplained.

Let me try to pose a few old questions again:

How did Itachi kill the entire Uchiha clan, especially without getting wounded himself?

Even Sasuke has doubts about this, and Itachi confirms them. (manga/Naruto/385/4)

In the light of what we know, I think that the only explanation is that Itachi did not do it alone. The question is to what extend he was involved, but IMO, the massacre was done by the entire Root organization.

Itachi's role was just to take the blame for them. That is why Danzo kept saying about Itachi's sacrifice! Itachi did this in order to save Sasuke, and that is also why Sasuke was not harmed by Root.

Also, such an explanation fits another piece of the puzzle: Danzo had a much better motive than Itachi to kill the Uchiha. As a matter of fact, the massacre perfectly fits Danzo's twisted way of thinking. The Uchiha were a threat to Konoha, and he wanted the Sharingan.

In the light of this, Sasuke's determination to destroy Konoha also makes more sense. It is impossible to identify Root members, and many Konoha ninja could have been in Root. So why not to kill them wholesale?

However, another important question remains: what was Madara's role? And here is an intersting new fact: Itachi did not know that Madara knew about his agreement with Danzo!

(manga/Naruto/549/8) Itachi says: "Goddamn you, Madara... So you did know..."

Now what does this tell us? If Itachi was involved in the massacre together with Danzo, then Madara could not have been on their side. Either Itachi was not involved in the massacre at all, or Madara was not on his side!

However, here is another conjecture that I think is important. Let's begin with another question:

Why did the Uchiha rebel?

Of course, we have Madara's explanation about the discrimination of the Uchiha in Konoha. However, look at the facts: the Uchiha were quite well off. They had an important position in Konoha. Why should they have risked it all, if there was not immediate threat? How could they think that their coup would succeed?

One possible answer is that they were manipulated. And, of course, the main candidate for doing this is Madara. This is how he has worked, behind the scenes, by plotting and manipulating people (like the fourth Mizukage or Nagato).

Madara could have persuaded Uchiha leaders that with his support, the coup would be successful. Or, he could even have put some of them under the Tsukuyomi genjutsu (recall that it is stronger than the ordinary Sharingan).

And here we come to another part of the mystery: the role of Uchiha Shisui.

If Madara was behind the plot of the Uchiha, then perhaps Shisui was the one who discovered it. At the time, Shisui was the only Uchiha besides Madara who had the Mangekyo Sharingan. That means that he would be able to see through Madara's genjutsu, and recognize that he was manipulating the Uchiha.

I think that the meetings that the Uchiha have held (manga/Naruto/222/2) concerned their plot, and that during these meeting Shisui discovered Madara's involvement. I think that it was then that Shisui decided to betray his clan to Danzo. It may be that Shisui was in Root. However, Shisui could not bear this and committed suicide.

Still, Shisui wished that Itachi would be capable of confronting Madara after his death. For this, it was necessary for Itachi to have the Mangekyo. This is why he asked Itachi to witness his death.

In order to strengthen Itachi further, Shisui gave him one of his eyes. The other one he gave to Danzo.

An unresolved issue is still why Itachi did not tell the whole story to Naruto and Sasuke. I think it is because the truth would not have persuaded Sasuke to turn aside in his vengeance. Itachi tried to point the entire blame at Madara, instead, during his last conversation with Sasuke.

And Itachi does not want Naruto (and the other Konoha ninja) to know the truth about the role of Root. I am not sure why; but for this reason Itachi decided to take the whole blame himself, and later to blame Madara. Of course, if I am correct, than Madara is still responsible for the massacre, because he persuaded the Uchiha to rebel.

Everyone, please correct me if I am wrong, and tell me what you think. I really believe that we can solve this mystery together!