unorthodox please please please please please add more periods in your sentence and not just at the end. I could possibly be misinterpreting some things you might say. To avoid confusion, please do it, it is very important when you want someone to read and get your point across.
Okay probably wrong to think he would start with white rage but mentionig Sakon's kkg so he can use their abilities all at once is a good move buts its more or less useless here i agree on the effect of white rage outside but that doesnt mean he can use all of their abilties sakon can only use his kkg for the face - - ->
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Sakon only been shown to use more than an head when only fusion with his brothers body any thing else sakon is only limited to the head kabuto needs the arm of the sound 5 to use any ninjutsu - - ->(
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My premise never stated of using Sakon to fight with. Kabuto is using Sakon's ability to manipulate cells/DNA. Without Sakon's KKG, he cannot switch out other faces and use other's ability. There is no need for me to even defend this point, even though you are completely wrong to state he "can't use Sakon's limbs/create limbs."
Using Jirobo to use boulders to block Sasuke's Line of sight is out of the question because rocks, walls, pillars, and even underground is useless because Sharingan see's chakra only - - -> (
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) Jirobo wall isnt blocking him from seeing anything Kabuto has up his sleve same for kidomaru webs witch arnt blocking anyone one's sight Sasuke & Itachi just wanted to get rid of them so they would not have to worry about them later on in the fight plus sharingan can also tell when someone is using different abilities explained tech from Databook
Except this technique is classified as Doton, which is augmented with chakra. Databook explains this too.
With chakra work and superhuman strength, he lifts up the very surface of the Earth and throws it! The lump of earth he is holding is gigantic enough to make Naruto go "that's ridiculous!!" in surprise! Of course, the destructive power is obvious, but even just the visual impact can be enough to make enemies lose their fighting spirits and run away, really making this a very exiting technique!!
I bold and underline just for you, so you won't miss it. He will only be seeing chakra just like Neji's view of chakra augmented into earth[
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] nothing else.<-- Do not take that scan as me stating Doton Prison. I am using this jutsu as an example on how the user see chakra through Doton techs in general and not specifically.
Concerning webs: Then you completely ignoring manga. Amaterseru works by ignite at the focus of the user's vision. Itachi and Sasuke did this, which is why they end up turning their heads around right after, to find where Kabuto moved after shooting webs. Therefore it will FOCUS on what the line of sight the webs can provide to protect White Rage.
Sasuke has seen the chakra of white rage so when kabuto attemps to use this technique sasuke will notice his change in chakra also will notice the chakra of the jutsu could easily use his giant enton blade unlike amaterasu it wont waste time to burn or go through it will just slice right through it - - - -> (
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) or using his susanoo arrow to hit the orb directly the dragon cannot even slow the arrow down also even if it could Sasuke can use two suanoo arrows at once - - - - >
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no way kabuto can stop both of those even if white rage goes off aslong as Sasuke can hold a susanoo with enton on it kabuto has nothing that can harm when he has up a defense like that.
Your two options-
Using CQC Enton on it:
This is worst then your other counter. It's suicide attempt as Sasuke WILL BE CLOSER to the effects of White Rage. If he fails he won't mold chakra in that range of White Rage, and its game over.
Kabuto's "2nd hand", either of them, can buy time to block Sasuke going CQC on it.
1. Orochimaru's Rashomon Gates Summoning can temporary block his path.
2. Tayuya's Genjutsu will paralyze even faster in that range.
3. Kidomaru webs spam[
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4. Jirobo's Earthquake[
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5.Kimmaro's Bones forest wall. No way Enton will slash its density.
Your premise here basically makes Sasuke lose here.
Using long range penetrating arrows:
This one makes more sense. But once again Webs is still effective here. It was stated that you cannot cut these webs by normal means, so penetrating the webs is out of question. It can even hold the weight of 2 elephants[
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2. Or the arrow will simply bounce off, since it does lack penetrating feat
to state otherwise.
Now your assumping things why would Sasuke use enton to cover the ground/ or battlefeild when he knows about Jirobo earth style witch his ration could easily overwhelme or make it very inefficient as said in my last post he can use enton as a blade of gun - - - - >
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this would be more useful for sasuke to use enton as it would just go straight through it also susanoo arrow pierces any doton defense he throws up also chidori varients does the same when i said his katon i was talking about kabuto using muki-tensei to controll the surrounding water in the area.
1. How am I assuming? I simply counter your premise since you stated using Enton to counter Muki Tensei. I never use Doton as defense in that premise to block anything, I only use it to block Amaterasu line of sight. So Sasuke can do whatever the hell he wants. Penetrate Doton? Sure. Kabuto can deicide to throw a Doton Prison right after, so molding Raiton, to break out, gets absorb before[
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2. Katon>Suiton?. That even worst dude...
Your insanly overrating kabuto's physical abilities with all your analysis on
Naruto's Sage mode every sage mode is different because a frog is not a snake/dragon vice versa one thing you also fail to mention kabuto is insanly stationary when using the sound5+Orochimaru - - - >
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as a matter a fact he never moved from that location just turned around sound 5 plus orochimaru has nothing to bypass Sasuke's susanoo like i was saying your overrating kabuto's physical abilities is badly when he clashed with itachi they were on par strength wise - - - - >
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Itachi didnt get pushed back or even budge same can be said for naruto's sm we clearly know senjutsu enhanced his ninjutsu & taijustsu so why when Naruto kicked Pain he flew back but itachi didnt in the other scan i posted - - - - >
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they're is clearly a difference between the sage modes.
1. First of all no where in the manga did it state Sage Mode Boost works differently. NO WHERE. Literally, no where. You are simply nitpicking a scenario to state otherwise. Read, before Naruto even learn Sage Mode, Fukasaku explains what happens to your body when you take in Senjutsu. Waaayy before he learned. He gave the gave examples. The fact remains (which I backed up), using ninjutsu chakra is weaker then using senjutsu chakra. Meaning you will not run the same with a stronger form of chakra, you will not have the same strength when you have new form of powerful chakra. Naruto's is an example to what happens when you take in this Natural Energy. The only difference shown was the attribute characteristics. The characteristic have nothing to do with what Senjutsu
boost does to your body, which once again I am talking about its boost of the body. In fact Kabuto stated that learning Senjutsu from the Ryūchidō is equally famous to Mount Myōboku lol[
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2. Kabuto can't move when using Sound 5 lol? Does the Sound 5 paralyzes his feet? Manga states otherwise. Moves while Kimmaro's attack[
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3. Except Itachi effectively block/parried his attack with Kusanagi variant (which Kabuto can block with his barehands on the sharp side) unlike how Pain couldn't effectively block Naruto's leg with his body weight. I could also nitpick, with Naruto strength with fallacious arugment, "how come he didn't fracture Pains bones?" Exactly. Anyway a swing motion has more momentum then a thrust, which Kabuto did to Itachi. When we actually saw Kabuto swing it split Itachi in half. And thats not all:
We can conclude that Kabuto indeed has physical strength, considering the swing he made that cut Itachi. Now I know people will use Edo Body as an excuse but check this out.
-We know Gated Lee has eminence strength. He was able to have +Kyuubi cloak support his attack even further on hitting Madara in half[
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-Check out Kabuto swing (pay attention to Itachi's panel time)[
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Genjutsu is genjutsu no matter how powerful its is chakra disruption, Outside help, Pain, etc same rules apply for it even tsukuyomi witch is the most powerful genjutsu excluding KA, Tsuki no Mi, the only reason those rules up their dont really apply to tsukuyomi because its take a second to be over while others dont you base most of you claim that kabuto increases everything in his arsenal due to sm but it has some extent suigetsu liquidfication is much superior to kabuto as his body 100% of the time is in his liquid state - - - - >
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kabuto has shown to even been held by a susanoo to where he needed oral rebirth to escape - - - - >
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so dont just assume he is superior to every one's ability he has because its false also susanoo is not being tripped Loool dont know why you even bring that up he easily tanked danzo kunai from behind - - - - >
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rocks break like glass when the touch the susanoo not to mention sasuke can mold enton over his susanoo - - - - >
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so the rocks are turned to ash the momment they touch the enton anyways.
1. Genjutsu statement pulled right off you ass and then contradict that statement saying there is exceptions between other Genjutsu. Fact remains the proper method of breaking this Senpou Genjutsu was outside help. Nothing implies in the manga "a stronger amp boost" apply the same rules. Which once again manga debunks.
2.Then used a bad example using Suigetsu as an example, when Kabuto never stated anything of using Suigetsu's DNA. But use his own experimental supplies to copy what Hozuki Clan can do. And at best with his
personal body fluids..
3. You further ignore my proof that he can grow his limbs to make himself stronger (in which your example of him being held down by Susanoo without doing it. Plus he wouldn't still be at an disadvantage if he struggled to get out of the grab, which will be pointless). And ignore he can use Jirobo's strength as a helping hand.
4. Tanking a Kunai has nothing to do with the shockwave a Earthquake can input on the ground. Using that example is laughable at best. You even misinterpret the premise stating the rocks flying will do something to Susanoo.. An earthquake is a sudden release of energy in the Earth's crust that creates seismic waves, which any character thats standing on ground will be shake from the energy put out.
Your saying kabuto can break susanoo with his physical strenght but why did he need to use oral rebirth to get out of the grasp of a susanoo ribcage? not to mention v2 tanked a mountain buster Kirin Kabuto hasit shown anywhere near mountain busting power or destruction also punching susanoo is useless its coverd in enton kabuto gets damage further also all those techs you showed a scan requires handsighs witch we all know susanoo arrow speed is above not to mention kabuto hands needs to be placed on the floor to perform them anyways Sasuke could easily dodge anything Kabuto throws this combo would be to deadly when he is trying to use doton - - - -> (
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) Sasuke can also shoot two at one time there is no way he is dodging both with his hands placed on they ground plus sasuke susanoo jumped about 100 feet or more because it was above Obito's level at the time need i mention he kept up with bm naruto the hole fight - - - - > (
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) plus in canon when they fought kabuto they didnt have to worry about his speed because he wasit that much faster than them sasuke can easily keep up with him even in susanoo the tsunade scan she punched A's suanoo clones off gaurd they were not paying attention to hers because she had her own.
1. I mention struggling to get out will be pointless and at disadvantage. And you ignored Jirobo's help and hydricfication boost like he did with the snakes.
2. ABC logic doesn't apply first of all. Did I state Jirobo's punch will obliterate Susanoo like Kirin did?
3. Punching Susanoo is not useless as Kabuto can cover it with Harden Gold[
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4. Already shown a scan that Kabuto can move while performing jutsu so I dont need to elaborate.
5. (Man I need to know how to chop out manga so you can focus on my points) My premise had nothing to do with Tsunade. It was simply for you to focus on Ay. If you focus at Ay you will see that he blocked the swing of Madara's Sussanoo legs with one arm. And even that he was focusing/worrying about Tsunade.
Yet shikamaru was able to use shadow possesion it only restricts your movements
And what is Shikimaru's jutsu classification?
Yin, Yang, Katon, Suiton, Doton, Raiton, Mokuton, etc?
Which one?
Do you not know how they escaped the genjutsu in the first place they could clearly see each other in they used their dojutsu even made conversation with kabuto
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I clearly know how they escape: Partner Method.
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Lol @ dodging sound. Im not even going to bother making a rebuttal that its dodge-able.
Doesnt change the fact kabuto was unable to dodge a susanoo arrow when he came into the open plus sasuke can shoot two at once
Thats because Itachi aid at throwing Magatama around him, effecting his surroundings.
1. Kabuto is open we already seen him get caught in the open
2. that benefits sasuke
3. Yet didnt see sasuke block 180 with amaterasu and was ultimately defeated in the end kabuto opinion means nothing here
4.Dodging ration isnt impressive reaching with a susanoo arms isnt fast so i dont why you would even mention it he doest need to pay attention to sasuke because he not using his eyes to fight him anyways Susanoo arrows & enton magatamas are much faster
1. With support making it happen. Cave doesn't give as much space as Outside, moot point.
2. If you made a premise of doing what Itachi and Sasuke can do together, to what he can do alone. Sure can't wait to hear that premise.
3. Um what? Are you using spawning jutsu feats to suggest and neglect his reaction ability?
4. I mention them because Sasuke never missed with those jutsu's until Kabuto? Same goes to Arrows. Enton Magata faster? Proof? Not that it matters as Kabuto already can dodge his speeding arrow.
i didnt even bring up Kirin & Aoda Kabuto mainly loses because he lacks destructive capabilities and he cannot dodge sasuke forever and susanoo enton arrow kills him sasuke holding him in susanoo's hand while enton roast him
Since you didn't bring these points up and admitted they aren't backed up to be possible. I won't even waste time making a rebuttal on that point then. So in a way, concession accepted?
(P.S. you forgot to mention how Legged Susanoo can cause wind circulation to push away Sound Genjutsu. I suggest you dont even waste your time and condede on that point..)
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Now that I got my basic premise out the way, its time for Kabuto to finish off Sasuke. My premise goes by when White Rage is set off(Even though they are other options). As it is outside the effects, like I mention, will only effect Sasukes sight and hearing. Kabuto takes advantage by prepping out. So what exactly do I mean? prep?
With Shadow Clones! Yes thats right Shadow Clones! "Wtf is EjBlack on, Kabuto has no feats for such". YOU'RE Right if thats what you are thinking. It will not be Kabuto performing this art, it will be his Orochimaru on his Stomach![
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But imma go easy on you and just use 2 clones, lol. The first clone can go to the water source side, and hide when needed. The second one can can hide under/behind the trees, sending snakes to spread out body fluids to confuse Sasuke of seeing chakra everywhere in that area[
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Once that happens, all Kabuto needs to do is create an opening. Using the support of Jirobo's hercule strength, damaging its defense, he either shatters the spot his fist lands or creates damages that spot greatly. Either way it will gives the Clone snipers a spot to aim right after.
Clone 1: Since Kabuto already knows how to perform Suiton: Daibakufu no Jutsu from his mouth, nothing is stopping him to perform it stronger version with a water source! The scaling with a water source is incredible![
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Clone 2: Since Sasuke will not know which is which, he will have to lose focus on the other two and try to destroy everything behind those trees (And thats alot of to cover for Enton too). But of course the other two is not going to let him do that lol, Sasuke will have plenty on his plate. His job is simple and simply snipe on its weak spot with a Golden arrow. The best thing about it is it's guided[
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