[Discussion] Unlocking Doujutsu

[ANiMUS]

I am creating this thread to get some response to a question I have been pondering and that question is, do u gain the knowledge of the techniques all at once, or do u unlock the doujutsu progressively? Now when I say unlock, I don't mean awakening a new eye, but rather unlocking all of the eye's techniques.

From what I have seen from both Nagato and Sasuke when someone gains a new eye that person only gains a small amount of that eye's functionality at first, the very basics of the doujutsu and later that person can either progress suddenly through immense stress/ desperation, or practice over a long period of time. So it doesn't seem to be all at once.

Sasuke:

Magenkyou Sharingan:

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When Sasuke first achieved his MS he could only utilize an enhanced Sharingan genjutsu, strong enough to temporarily paralyze a chakra cloaked Killer Bee, yet it was the sight of his comrades dying that caused him to unlock his other MS techniques, Amaterasu and Kagutsuchi.

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This maybe where he developed realized he could awaken Susano'o as well.

Nagato Rinnengan

I base this off of the premise that Jiraiya was unfamiliar with the Rinnengan Techniques, seeing how Jiraiya spent so long teaching him Ninjutsu, we can only assume that Nagato in his childhood did not have his Six Paths abilities. Nagato most likely just had the ability to use all natures of Ninjutsu.

However when Yahiko died.........

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SOLO MODE!!!​

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Seeing Nagato in action really makes me believe that there is no way he could do all of this before Yahiko died. I mean he probably would have been able to solve the entire situation on his own, but seeing how Konan told Nagato not to summon the Gedo Mazo then that means that he has done it before. This makes sense because Madara upon attaining the Rinnengan instantly knew of the Gedo Mazo and how to summon it so it is possible that Knowledge of the Mazo is a given upon achieving Rinnengan.

Obito Magenkyou Sharingan:

Some of you may think of Obito and how he was able to fully utilize his eye immediately upon awakening it. Well, Obito was already undergoing great trauma. Sasuke awakened his eyes after being told the truth about his brother, and Nagato had his Rinnengan implanted.

Sasuke's Rinnengan:

This Principle may even be the same for Sasuke's Rinnengan. Currently it has only showcased one new Rinnengan technique, but it could be possible that its full abilities haven't awakened yet and may awaken when he undergoes a certain amount of stress or desperation.


Anyway let me know what u guys think. Your ideas and criticisms will be very much appreciated.

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[Matt]

Good analysis but most of the pictures arent working

 

[ANiMUS]

Good analysis but most of the pictures arent working

Seriously???? All of them r working for me.

 

[Slowpoke]

sasuke had to cry to unlock Mangekyo
that's so easy

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[ANiMUS]

sasuke had to cry to unlock Mangekyo
that's so easy

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Well, someone had to die, its the same for all Uchiha that awaken MS.

 

[LordNarutoSo6P]

Good analysis but most of the pictures arent working

Seriously? U_U

 

[Erebus]

Pics are working for me.

OT: plausible, however, if this was the case, then that means something will likely happen to Naruto or Sakura, maybe death, with Sakura being a more likely choice for various reasons, but this is mere speculation for now

 

[ANiMUS]

Pics are working for me.

OT: plausible, however, if this was the case, then that means something will likely happen to Naruto or Sakura, maybe death, with Sakura being a more likely choice for various reasons, but this is mere speculation for now

Whew, that means it that there isn't a problem with the thread, thanks for telling me.

OT: Well, until concretly proven then plausible is pretty much all that I can ask for

 

[UchihaLightning]

Pics are working for me.

OT: plausible, however, if this was the case, then that means something will likely happen to Naruto or Sakura, maybe death, with Sakura being a more likely choice for various reasons, but this is mere speculation for now

I agree with this.​

OT: I don't think there is a short cut to attaining all the techniques. The user has to experience or feel a very strong emotion, whether it be loss, grief, or love.

 

[ANiMUS]

I agree with this.​

OT: I don't think there is a short cut to attaining all the techniques. The user has to experience or feel a very strong emotion, whether it be loss, grief, or love.

Well then I guess the word shortcut is the wrong word. Before looking into this I was kinda under the assumption that a doujutsu user instantly upon awakening a doujutsu gains knowledge of the eye's techniques, but from what I have seen that doesn't seem to be the case. They either need to study and explore their abilities or as u said they experience strong emotions.

 

[Erebus]

Well then I guess the word shortcut is the wrong word. Before looking into this I was kinda under the assumption that a doujutsu user instantly upon awakening a doujutsu gains knowledge of the eye's techniques, but from what I have seen that doesn't seem to be the case. They either need to study and explore their abilities or as u said they experience strong emotions.

That isn't the case as far as I think, more like it comes to them gradually, and I guess also combined with their control over the ocular Jutsu, if it did come to them instantly then Sasuke would have been spamming legged Susano'o for a while, and Madara might not have over used his Sharingan

 

[ANiMUS]

That isn't the case as far as I think, more like it comes to them gradually, and I guess also combined with their control over the ocular Jutsu, if it did come to them instantly then Sasuke would have been spamming legged Susano'o for a while, and Madara might not have over used his Sharingan

I didn't mean full use of their techniques, just knowledge of them.

Of course they have to develop the techniques.

 

[Made in Heaven]

Aw, no Byakugan ?

OT: Yep! I agree that rinnegan and sharingan gradually get power during tough times.

 

[ANiMUS]

Aw, no Byakugan ?

OT: Yep! I agree that rinnegan and sharingan gradually get power during tough times.

You r born with the Byakugan and u train it naturally U_U.

 

[veggetta13]

I understand it´s known fact. byakungan works the same way as Neji was under hard pressure too, speaking about the extension of doujutsu managing. The better the fight the better it runs up Sharing abilities, however Madara´s seem a bit cold hearted hell-running of emotions, if he ain´t look stressed it is cause he begun the fight very angry. The panel that reminds the most of this is seeing the guy summoning a meteorite on scene. The function of the summoning was just finishing the fight; which stands Madara too not carelessly but quite a decision-maker. He is not uncautious, neither reckless, which links him with SASUKE cause it proves cold blood or calmness are better encouraging items than spoiled acts.

At the point we are at, doujutsu has just become a tool of chakra. Genjustu hasn´t bee used in the way it was when it appeared to was set to be the mean to paralise your opponent. Simple ninja thinking as cloaking your way out of the genjutsu under Susano-ó expresses dominance of strategy and, chakra, over overcoming-stress and being able to catalyse it into fight earn.

I do think it´s necessary for doujutsu to have an axis as it´s projected into turning heated-emotional ideas into physical attacks involving huge amounts of chakra. Have you guys noticed Senju ninjutsu is a a bit defensive? Water, Earth, Wood they all correspond to deflecting capabilities, against attacking ones such as Thunder, Fire, Wind, or flow-contain-resist against strike-burn-lift

Would you agree to think restraining or taming the emotional response is what Senju jutsu represents?

 

[ANiMUS]

I understand it´s known fact. byakungan works the same way as Neji was under hard pressure too, speaking about the extension of doujutsu managing. The better the fight the better it runs up Sharing abilities, however Madara´s seem a bit cold hearted hell-running of emotions, if he ain´t look stressed it is cause he begun the fight very angry. The panel that reminds the most of this is seeing the guy summoning a meteorite on scene. The function of the summoning was just finishing the fight; which stands Madara too not carelessly but quite a decision-maker. He is not uncautious, neither reckless, which links him with SASUKE cause it proves cold blood or calmness are better encouraging items than spoiled acts.

At the point we are at, doujutsu has just become a tool of chakra. Genjustu hasn´t bee used in the way it was when it appeared to was set to be the mean to paralise your opponent. Simple ninja thinking as cloaking your way out of the genjutsu under Susano-ó expresses dominance of strategy and, chakra, over overcoming-stress and being able to catalyse it into fight earn.

I do think it´s necessary for doujutsu to have an axis as it´s projected into turning heated-emotional ideas into physical attacks involving huge amounts of chakra. Have you guys noticed Senju ninjutsu is a a bit defensive? Water, Earth, Wood they all correspond to deflecting capabilities, against attacking ones such as Thunder, Fire, Wind, or flow-contain-resist against strike-burn-lift

Would you agree to think restraining or taming the emotional response is what Senju jutsu represents?

Senju and Uzamaki seem to be the clans focused on restraining bijuu, which actually had tons of dark emotions, but Nagato is an Uzamaki and a Senju, but he still lost to the Rinnengan influence.

Hashirama is the only Mokuton user though, and that ability is possibly linked to the shinjuu which housed all chakra. It being able to absorb chakra is a given

 

[veggetta13]

Senju and Uzamaki seem to be the clans focused on restraining bijuu, which actually had tons of dark emotions, but Nagato is an Uzamaki and a Senju, but he still lost to the Rinnengan influence.

Hashirama is the only Mokuton user though, and that ability is possibly linked to the shinjuu which housed all chakra. It being able to absorb chakra is a given

When I see Hashirama it makes me think he is not as destructive as he could be. It is boring to classify randomly,just that at the scale of power we are seeing in the manga,something even as sutile as the psych-character would present definitive to what the clan represents in jutsu. Whatever, there you got Kaguya the all powerful source of power boiling in wrath.. nevermind hehe

 

[Nirmologist]

basically in order to unlock or attain a doujutsu is to retreive/get/steal one from a clan member who possesses the eye power since birth or become an uchiha, hyuga, etc etc

 

[NaruSasuRival]

Senju and Uzamaki seem to be the clans focused on restraining bijuu, which actually had tons of dark emotions, but Nagato is an Uzamaki and a Senju, but he still lost to the Rinnengan influence.

Hashirama is the only Mokuton user though, and that ability is possibly linked to the shinjuu which housed all chakra. It being able to absorb chakra is a given

No. Nagato never lost to Rinnegan influence. Rather, he lost to hatred. See, hatred is what causes everyone to go out of control. Even Nagato said it during his conversation with Naruto. In uchiha cases, it is also hatred that is created by Pain that causes them to go berserk. You can see that afterwards, they can gain their cool and control the power. This is what Jiraya was teaching Nagato. All the advices and training were meant to help Nagato direct his power to do good./B]

So, in the manga there are two source of power - hatred and love. Naruto is one dude who gain power from loving others. Even so, due to great pain, Naruto was also overcame by hatred with the exception that he is bipolar - that is he is in control or not at all. In his case, Kyuubi was waiting for him to get hurt. It is because naruto can harness the huge power of Kyuubi in his right mind that Sasuke was in great respect for him.

So, they are not being overcome by the power of the dojutsus - rather, they got overcome by pain and hatred, and let their power go out of control.

 

[naruto sage art]

No. Nagato never lost to Rinnegan influence. Rather, he lost to hatred. See, hatred is what causes everyone to go out of control. Even Nagato said it during his conversation with Naruto. In uchiha cases, it is also hatred that is created by Pain that causes them to go berserk. You can see that afterwards, they can gain their cool and control the power. This is what Jiraya was teaching Nagato. All the advices and training were meant to help Nagato direct his power to do good./B]

So, in the manga there are two source of power - hatred and love. Naruto is one dude who gain power from loving others. Even so, due to great pain, Naruto was also overcame by hatred with the exception that he is bipolar - that is he is in control or not at all. In his case, Kyuubi was waiting for him to get hurt. It is because naruto can harness the huge power of Kyuubi in his right mind that Sasuke was in great respect for him.

So, they are not being overcome by the power of the dojutsus - rather, they got overcome by pain and hatred, and let their power go out of control.

i agree with you there