[Discussion] University of Jihad

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Although it was founded in 1947, the university gained prominence in the 1980s when both Pakistan and U.S. intelligence officials used it to recruit and nurture rebels who resisted the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

During that time, both Mohammad Omar, the founder of the Taliban, and Jalaluddin Haqqani, leader of the Haqqani network, are believed to have studied there, according to past statements made by seminary officials. Asim Umar, leader of al-Qaeda’s South Asia wing, is also believed to have been a former student.

After the former Soviet Union withdrew from Afghanistan in the late 1980s, the seminary maintained its ties to Taliban leaders who took control of Kabul in the mid-1990s. Later, after the United States helped oust the Taliban government from power in 2001, the seminary produced scores of insurgents who are still fighting Afghanistan’s U.S.-backed government.

Tariq Afaq, a militancy expert from Peshawar, Pakistan, estimates that 80 percent of Haqqania seminary students joined or sympathize with the Taliban. Former Taliban leader Akhtar Mohammad Mansour, who was killed in a U.S. drone strike last month, is also reportedly a former student.

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“They are my students. In our tradition, a teacher is like a father, like a spiritual leader,” Haq said. “Afghans should be allowed to fight for their freedom.”

Last year, Pakistan’s Dawn newspaper reported that two suspects in the 2007 killing of former Pakistani prime minister Benazir Bhutto had also attended the seminary. But school officials denied ever having any affiliation with the men.

The seminary, one of the world’s largest Islamic learning centers, focuses on teaching the hard-line Deobandi strain of Islam that advocates for Sharia law.

Over the years, many Deobandi institutions received financial support from Saudi Arabia and other wealthy Persian Gulf countries. Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates are both past donors to Darul Uloom Haqqania, according to Pakistan’s Express Tribune newspaper.

It’s unclear why the seminary suddenly appears to be having financial troubles. But Khyber Pakhtunkhwa's government said it will allocate the $3 million over two years to help the seminary meet its budget, and most of the money will be used to build dormitories.

What da :lol

 

[CrimsonReaper]

This is not concise enough. IGNORE!

Also meh nobody cares.

 

[BLAZE]

This is not concise enough. IGNORE!

Also meh nobody cares.

Eh would any goverment consciously fund something thats remotely even terror related and it came at same time when Pakistan was looking for NSG memebership :lol i mean wtf

ad the fact this happened 2 years ago in same state

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[Rohan]

Anybody read "The Kite Runner" ?

 

[Xlad]

Lol...

 

[Conspirator.]

Anybody read "The Kite Runner" ?

That was a fantastic book. In fact when I read that book many years back it was the first time I heard about the whole Pashtun and Hazara conflict in Afghanistan.
OT: It makes no sense to fund it. :|

 

[CrimsonReaper]

Eh would any goverment consciously fund something thats remotely even terror related and it came at same time when Pakistan was looking for NSG memebership :lol i mean wtf

ad the fact this happened 2 years ago in same state

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Because the officials either sponsor terrorism or are just plain idiots and don't know whats going on. :bdpf:

 

[NineSNS]

I'm surprised the seminary is having financial troubles in the first place, given the wealthy countries that have donated in the past, one of which was probably the U.S.

 

[Deadlift]

Wondering how prestigious would be a graduation there xd

 

[~Ethereal~]

Anybody read "The Kite Runner" ?

Tremendous book, it's probably my second favourite after noughts and crosses.

 

[Rohan]

That was a fantastic book. In fact when I read that book many years back it was the first time I heard about the whole Pashtun and Hazara conflict in Afghanistan.
OT: It makes no sense to fund it. :|

Same case here. I finished it a day ago. kun:

Tremendous book, it's probably my second favourite after noughts and crosses.

Agreed. kool:

 

[Wabbit]

That's crazy but students who go to regular schools are not good either , that goes to all theocratic shitholes

Question is would it be ethical to shoot them?

 

[V h o]

So murica hands were in that as well.

 

[Narushima]

So murica hands were in that as well.

Yes and no.

No as the Taliban did not, in fact, exist during the soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

But the US did play a dominant role in propping up the Afghan resistance which was largely an Islamist-jihadist resistance.

However the leaders of that resistance were Ahmed Shah Massoud, Barhanuddin Rabbani and Gulbuddin Hekmatyar who, though jihadists, were the Muslim brotherhood variety of Islamists (in fact Rabbani was an Islamic scholar educated in Egypt under the Muslim brotherhood there) and several leagues more sophisticated than the Taliban.

The problem was that Afghanistan was - and still is - an artificial union of disparate ethnic and religious groups that have little to nothing in common, and the unity of that state is maintained only by the inertia of history.

So when the Soviets left the 'Afghans' lost their common enemy and naturally turned their guns on each other.

What ensued was an apocalyptic civil war in which the different ethnic and religious groups of Afghanistan pillaged, raped and slaughtered each other.

The Taliban was a response to that state of affairs on the part of the dominant ethno-religious group - the Pashtuns.

Further, the Taliban are basically Pashtun 'rednecks' from the rural villages of that country so their Islamism is of a completely different type - much, much more tribal - from the urban Muslim brotherhood variety of the leaders of the initial Afghan resistance.

While the Taliban harboured Osama Bin Laden and protected him to the point where they committed political suicide in the end, Massoud was assassinated possibly because he had started warning the US about 9/11 several months before the event:

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"The assassination of Massoud is considered to have a strong connection to the September 11 attacks in 2001 on U.S. soil, which killed nearly 3,000 people. It appeared to have been the major terrorist attack which Massoud had warned against in his speech to the European Parliament several months earlier."

So Afghanistan was not quite as black and white as the jihadist movement is today.

However all the foregoing is largely irrelevant as to why Pakistan funds the Taliban today.

As it turns out that Pakistan, much like Afghanistan, is also an artificial union of different people who are bound only by the historical process - the North-West region of that country is Pashtun land and was historically part of Afghanistan.

Thus Pakistan has to fund and keep Pashtun Islamist movements alive both in Afghanistan and within their own borders because the alternative - a Pashtun nationalist movement - will ultimately become for Pakistan what the Kurds are for Iraq and Turkey.

And if the Pakistani Pashtuns choose the path of Bangladesh (aka East Pakistan) - it will truly be Pakistan's funeral.

 

[V h o]

Yes and no.

No as the Taliban did not, in fact, exist during the soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

But the US did play a dominant role in propping up the Afghan resistance which was largely an Islamist-jihadist resistance.

However the leaders of that resistance were Ahmed Shah Massoud, Barhanuddin Rabbani and Gulbuddin Hekmatyar who, though jihadists, were the Muslim brotherhood variety of Islamists (in fact Rabbani was an Islamic scholar educated in Egypt under the Muslim brotherhood there) and several leagues more sophisticated than the Taliban.

The problem was that Afghanistan was - and still is - an artificial union of disparate ethnic and religious groups that have little to nothing in common, and the unity of that state is maintained only by the inertia of history.

So when the Soviets left the 'Afghans' lost their common enemy and naturally turned their guns on each other.

What ensued was an apocalyptic civil war in which the different ethnic and religious groups of Afghanistan pillaged, raped and slaughtered each other.

The Taliban was a response to that state of affairs on the part of the dominant ethno-religious group - the Pashtuns.

Further, the Taliban are basically Pashtun 'rednecks' from the rural villages of that country so their Islamism is of a completely different type - much, much more tribal - from the urban Muslim brotherhood variety of the leaders of the initial Afghan resistance.

While the Taliban harboured Osama Bin Laden and protected him to the point where they committed political suicide in the end, Massoud was assassinated possibly because he had started warning the US about 9/11 several months before the event:

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"The assassination of Massoud is considered to have a strong connection to the September 11 attacks in 2001 on U.S. soil, which killed nearly 3,000 people. It appeared to have been the major terrorist attack which Massoud had warned against in his speech to the European Parliament several months earlier."

So Afghanistan was not quite as black and white as the jihadist movement is today.

However all the foregoing is largely irrelevant as to why Pakistan funds the Taliban today.

As it turns out that Pakistan, much like Afghanistan, is also an artificial union of different people who are bound only by the historical process - the North-West region of that country is Pashtun land and was historically part of Afghanistan.

Thus Pakistan has to fund and keep Pashtun Islamist movements alive both in Afghanistan and within their own borders because the alternative - a Pashtun nationalist movement - will ultimately become for Pakistan what the Kurds are for Iraq and Turkey.

And if the Pakistani Pashtuns choose the path of Bangladesh (aka East Pakistan) - it will truly be Pakistan's funeral.

I see

 

[Tarkatower]

I hope I can major in sharia law