Universitas explicatus of Susano'o

[-Logic-]

anyone who tried to make a perfect susano without rinnegan would soil their shorts so hard it would change the title of naruto

Lol, so you agree with me. Awesome :3

 

[Helikido]

Re: Perfect Susano'o requires the Rinnegan.

In this thread I intend to thoroughly explain Susano'o's development, the different stages of Susano'o and how they are acquired. Let's start with this.

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• First of all, Susano'o can only be acquired when one has the Mangekyo Sharingan, even then, it's a rarity for one to awaken, it is scarce, and not everyone can attain Susano'o.
  
• Secondly, the first form of Susano'o can be the arm, the rib cage and so on. We do not need to worry about these forms because any initial Mangekyo user who has Susano'o can use all of the different (basic manipulations) or version of Susano'o. I.e the arm or the rib cage.
  
• Thirdly, we all know that Susano'o differs in looks with each user, let us not confuse the looks of Susano'o with it's development. Although the looks heavily explain and give away clues to what developments have been made we have to be careful.

The first time that we got a glimpse of Susano'o was in the awesome battle that Sasuke and Itachi fought against one another.

Itachi's Susano'o (Mangekyo) was humanoid and similar to that of Sasuke's. Notice the face under the nose cannot be seen and the eyes are simply glowing. Also notice the humanoid features such as the eyes. This trait is present in Sasuke's Susano'o also (Mangekyo.)

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We've now analyzed the features in the Mangekyo version of Susano'o. I think we do not need to analyze the weaker forms such as this version of Susano'o because concentrating on the final version will give away Susano'o's secrets.

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We can conclude that all MS versions of Susano'o (Complete Versions) have these similar traits present in all Uchiha's Susano'o's (Mangekyo.)

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1. They all have humanoid features. Eyes, ears, noses, hands etc.
   
2. They all have two sets of eyes. Look in the mouth of Itachi's Final Susano'o (Mangekyo) and you will see a pair of eyes. This is also present in Sasuke's Final Version (Mangekyo.)
   
3. The final, and mysterious trait that all MS versions of Susano'o all have is that they have a sort of diamond/jewel lodged deep in their forehead. This may have something to do with Chakra, as it reminds of me of Tsunade's jewel on her forehead.

Now let us analyze the EMS version of Susano'o. For obvious reasons we're only going to analyze Sasuke's because Madara's may have been enhanced by Hashirama's cells, and that would cause great confusion, and render this thread slightly pointless.

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• There are a few things that change to Susano'o's appearance when one acquires the EMS. These things are as follows.
  
• After Sasuke gained the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan, the second layer of it's armor changes its appearance. The mouth of the armour changes to a beak shape, giving it an even more menacing look.
  
• The skin on the right arm and right hand gains additional platings that gives the appearance of the skin peeling off and the armour itself becomes more ghastly in appearance.
  
• The orb is now made entirely of the flames of Amaterasu and the arrows are at least seemingly coated with the flames, as seen when one of them pierced White Zetsu and set him ablaze. (You seem to acquire a new Susano'o Technique when you acquire the EMS.)

And finally, we can analyze the Final and Perfect version of the Susano'o. Personally, I believe that Susano'o increases in it's power as the Dojutsu increases. It follows a pattern. Every an Uchiha with Susano'o upgrades his Dojutsu his Susano'o is also upgraded. It's an obvious pattern. I could be wrong, however, this is just what I think. This part of the thread could be wrong, but I'm sure the Mangekyo Sharingan and Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan's version of Susano'o has been analyzed correctly and efficiently.

Let us state the obvious changes.

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• Madara's Susano'o still carries the attribute present in the MS version of Susano'o. The pair of eyes in the mouth.
  
• It also still carries the armor on it's arms that is present on Sasuke's Susano'o.
  
• It's armor is almost flowing of off it's head, and then going down from it's shoulders.

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From the recent release of the Manga I can continue expanding this theory/explanation.

First of all we now know that Madara's Susano'o is extremely large, and resembles a Samurai.

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As you can clearly see the size of his nose has increased, greatly. This change in Susano'o proves my theory/explanation is correct because throughout the different versions of Susano'o MS and EMS the nose has always changed. From this; A small humanoid nose.

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To this; A larger, beak-like nose.

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And finally to Madara's; An extremely large nose.

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If you notice, it's nose keeps on increasing in size, due to the Rinnegan.

It's much larger than any Susano'o we've ever seen. I theorize that this is either thanks to the Rinnegan. One way I could prove my theory is that the traits present in the MS and EMS version are still there, and new traits are added. It would make perfect sense because people are questioning Hashirama's win against a Susano'o like this. I think he was using his previous version, and that's why he lost. Hashi would loose against such a Susano'o... In other words, each time your Dojutsu increases your Susano'o increases in it's power.

I'm going to try and make it as simply as possible for those who do not understand. It's like this; The reason why I think it requires the Rinnegan is because ever since we first saw Susano'o it was constantly being upgraded, when Sasuke got the EMS it increased. My point is that Susano'o can keep increasing when you fuel it with hatred, but there's a limit to which it can reach, for example. If you look at Itachi's (MS) Susano'o it's similar to Sasuke's but the peeling off armour effect on Sasuke's Susano'o is not present on Itachi's. Itachi's Susano'o has "reached it's limit" and it can't go any further without the EMS. Same with Sasuke, his has reached it's limit and to become perfect it requires the Rinnegan.

Thank you if you read all of it, you should get a medal if you did ^_^
Tell me what you're thoughts are, and if you agree or not.

I disagree. Sasukes susanoo looked exactly like his ems version right when he fully activated it against kakashi before he went blind.

 

[-Logic-]

Re: Perfect Susano'o requires the Rinnegan.

I disagree. Sasukes susanoo looked exactly like his ems version right when he fully activated it against kakashi before he went blind.

Say what you will, but I don't really understand what you're talking about xd

 

[Helikido]

Re: Perfect Susano'o requires the Rinnegan.

Say what you will, but I don't really understand what you're talking about xd

Do you remember when sasuke was fighting kakashi after killing danzo? Remember when he got pissed at kakashi for using a kamui an uchiha eye technique? Sasuke when full throttle to show kakashi how futile his sharing an is compared to a true uchiha, and at that moment when he activated his full susanoo it looked exactly like his now except for the amatursu flames covering it.

 

[Helikido]

And it makes sense that PF susanoo is a EMS technique because ems grants the user the power to perfectly control their MS techs without any drawbacks.

 

[MriRoN]

nice thread +rep

 

[-Logic-]

nice thread +rep

Thanks for the +rep

 

[sasuke sharingan god]

excellent points

 

[-Logic-]

excellent points

Thank you for reading :ice:

 

[6thpathsage]

Thought so.

 

[edo tensai wilmaso]

hmmm i got a question for the original post ... how do you explain the little susanoo that looked like people?

 

[DemonRyuu]

well the nose is a big feature for the Susanoo for the reason if you read the japanese mythology Susanoo was born what Izanagi washed out his nose

 

[-Logic-]

well the nose is a big feature for the Susanoo for the reason if you read the japanese mythology Susanoo was born what Izanagi washed out his nose

Yup, and it's also a big giveaway to the secrets of Susano'o.

 

[DemonRyuu]

Yup, and it's also a big giveaway to the secrets of Susano'o.

Exactly, and with everything said this is why Madara is such a feared man, for mastering every aspect of the Uchiha clan

 

[kit]

Re: Perfect Susano'o requires the Rinnegan.

Do you remember when sasuke was fighting kakashi after killing danzo? Remember when he got pissed at kakashi for using a kamui an uchiha eye technique? Sasuke when full throttle to show kakashi how futile his sharing an is compared to a true uchiha, and at that moment when he activated his full susanoo it looked exactly like his now except for the amatursu flames covering it.

I believe you are right. Each of the characters that have used susanoo have shown at one point using their most complete or perfect form of susanoo.

Here is Sasuke's

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This first image is Sasuke's complete susanoo when he just had MS. Notice how only a little portion of susanoo's body is visible.

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Now look at this image.

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The image above shows Sasuke's complete susanoo after he has recieved EMS. Notice how more of susanoo's body is visible. Seeing this made me think that the EMS allows the user to have better control over susanoo (could by why we see Madara's susanoo's actually have a full body) like shown here:

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Here is Itachi's

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Notice how in the above image only a portion of Itachi's complete susanoo's body is visible. Actually here is another image of the same thing below:

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Here is Madara's

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This first image shows madara's perfect susanoo before he stabilizes the chakra. Notice how in this image a larger portion of susanoo's body is shown but no legs are visible. Now look at the image below.

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Once madara stabilizes susanoo's chakra, we are able to see the full body of susanoo. My theory is madara is able to do this because he has the experience with the EMS and because of his chakra.

I still respect the theory the OP came up with but, I just don't believe the rinnegan is needed to use perfect susanoo (or at least until the manga proves otherwise).

 

[itachi uchiha1]

i Agree with u, nice job keep it up

 

[Shiny Scrafty]

But look though, 25% of me thinks it is.
75% of me Thinks it isn't.

25% of me,
"Yes, but did you have to have the Magenkyo Sharingan to use Perfect Susanoo when you're a Plain Rinnegan user like Nagato?"
*Nagato never had Sharingan.
*He skipped all those steps :trollface:
*He still shows no sign of a Susanoo
Conclusion: You have to have had Magenkyo Sharingan in your life, to have Perfect Susanoo AND the Rinnegan.

75% of me,
"No, it's not Rinnegan because Nagato never used it. Don't you think he would've used it because of how awesome it looks?"
*Because Madara can change back to Sharingan?
*Rinnegan is just a boost?
*There's a last step to reaching Perfect Susanoo before getting Rinnegan?
Conclusion: There's a final step to Upgrade the Genjutsu in the Uchiha Clan before going on to Rinnegan.

So, I disagree with you. Rinnegan doesn't have anything to do with Perfect Susanoo.

 

[Kriss123]

Re: Perfect Susano'o requires the Rinnegan.

I believe you are right. Each of the characters that have used susanoo have shown at one point using their most complete or perfect form of susanoo.

Here is Sasuke's

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This first image is Sasuke's complete susanoo when he just had MS. Notice how only a little portion of susanoo's body is visible.

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Now look at this image.

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The image above shows Sasuke's complete susanoo after he has recieved EMS. Notice how more of susanoo's body is visible. Seeing this made me think that the EMS allows the user to have better control over susanoo (could by why we see Madara's susanoo's actually have a full body) like shown here:

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Here is Itachi's

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Notice how in the above image only a portion of Itachi's complete susanoo's body is visible. Actually here is another image of the same thing below:

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Here is Madara's

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This first image shows madara's perfect susanoo before he stabilizes the chakra. Notice how in this image a larger portion of susanoo's body is shown but no legs are visible. Now look at the image below.

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Once madara stabilizes susanoo's chakra, we are able to see the full body of susanoo. My theory is madara is able to do this because he has the experience with the EMS and because of his chakra.

I still respect the theory the OP came up with but, I just don't believe the rinnegan is needed to use perfect susanoo (or at least until the manga proves otherwise).

I cant say i can agere with you. Why should the visibility of susanoo have something about how strong it is? The reason itachis susanoo is not so visible is because itachis chakra isent as strong as madaras and sasukes

 

[kisamexRocks]

I don't think the nose increases because of the stages in S-MS-EMS-R. It's like that because of old fashioned samurai in the old days of japan. Some wore masks with extended noses. I have no idea why but probably it was a cultural thing that displays skill, strength, veterancey and power. Susano is a samurai in Naruto world, so makes sense that from S -MS - EMS - R that the samurai becomes more and more complete.

 

[niblack89]

Sorry it was a nice theory but Madara didn't gain this form from the rinnegan. He said he had this power when he fought Onki and the 1st hokage. Sasuke could potentially have this power. Remember there's a new power when when EMS is gained.