Universitas explicatus of Susano'o

[-Logic-]

Nice

Thanks ^_^

 

[Naruto3462]

Glad I read your sig, great thread.. and I agree. +Rep

 

[Dribbles]

Sad that this didnt make it to hottest threads, it really is a great thread. Maybe the title puts it off, as some people cant understand

Ive put hours into threads just to have them get 3-4 views, keep being brilliant and the NB community will defiantly notice it =)

 

[dominicansharingan]

In this thread I intend to thoroughly explain Susano'o's development, the different stages of Susano'o and how they are acquired. Let's start with this.

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• First of all, Susano'o can only be acquired when one has the Mangekyo Sharingan, even then, it's a rarity for one to awaken, it is scarce, and not everyone can attain Susano'o.
  
• Secondly, the first form of Susano'o can be the arm, the rib cage and so on. We do not need to worry about these forms because any initial Mangekyo user who has Susano'o can use all of the different (basic manipulations) or version of Susano'o. I.e the arm or the rib cage.
  
• Thirdly, we all know that Susano'o differs in looks with each user, let us not confuse the looks of Susano'o with it's development. Although the looks heavily explain and give away clues to what developments have been made we have to be careful.

The first time that we got a glimpse of Susano'o was in the awesome battle that Sasuke and Itachi fought against one another.

Itachi's Susano'o (Mangekyo) was humanoid and similar to that of Sasuke's. Notice the face under the nose cannot be seen and the eyes are simply glowing. Also notice the humanoid features such as the eyes. This trait is present in Sasuke's Susano'o also (Mangekyo.)

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We've now analyzed the features in the Mangekyo version of Susano'o. I think we do not need to analyze the weaker forms such as this version of Susano'o because concentrating on the final version will give away Susano'o's secrets.

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We can conclude that all MS versions of Susano'o (Complete Versions) have these similar traits present in all Uchiha's Susano'o's (Mangekyo.)

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1. They all have humanoid features. Eyes, ears, noses, hands etc.
   
2. They all have two sets of eyes. Look in the mouth of Itachi's Final Susano'o (Mangekyo) and you will see a pair of eyes. This is also present in Sasuke's Final Version (Mangekyo.)
   
3. The final, and mysterious trait that all MS versions of Susano'o all have is that they have a sort of diamond/jewel lodged deep in their forehead. This may have something to do with Chakra, as it reminds of me of Tsunade's jewel on her forehead.

Now let us analyze the EMS version of Susano'o. For obvious reasons we're only going to analyze Sasuke's because Madara's may have been enhanced by Hashirama's cells, and that would cause great confusion, and render this thread slightly pointless.

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• There are a few things that change to Susano'o's appearance when one acquires the EMS. These things are as follows.
  
• After Sasuke gained the Eternal Mangekyō Sharingan, the second layer of it's armor changes its appearance. The mouth of the armour changes to a beak shape, giving it an even more menacing look.
  
• The skin on the right arm and right hand gains additional platings that gives the appearance of the skin peeling off and the armour itself becomes more ghastly in appearance.
  
• The orb is now made entirely of the flames of Amaterasu and the arrows are at least seemingly coated with the flames, as seen when one of them pierced White Zetsu and set him ablaze. (You seem to acquire a new Susano'o Technique when you acquire the EMS.)

And finally, we can analyze the Final and Perfect version of the Susano'o. Personally, I believe that Susano'o increases in it's power as the Dojutsu increases. It follows a pattern. Every an Uchiha with Susano'o upgrades his Dojutsu his Susano'o is also upgraded. It's an obvious pattern. I could be wrong, however, this is just what I think. This part of the thread could be wrong, but I'm sure the Mangekyo Sharingan and Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan's version of Susano'o has been analyzed correctly and efficiently.

Let us state the obvious changes.

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• Madara's Susano'o still carries the attribute present in the MS version of Susano'o. The pair of eyes in the mouth.
  
• It also still carries the armor on it's arms that is present on Sasuke's Susano'o.
  
• It's armor is almost flowing of off it's head, and then going down from it's shoulders.

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It's much larger than any Susano'o we've ever seen. I theorize that this is either thanks to Hashirama's cells, or the Rinnegan, one of the two. One way I could prove my theory is that the traits present in the MS and EMS version are still there, and new traits are added. It would make perfect sense because people are questioning Hashirama's win against a Susano'o like this. I think he was using his previous version, and that's why he lost. Hashi would loose against such a Susano'o... In other words, each time your Dojutsu increases your Susano'o increases in it's power.

Thank you if you read all of it, you should get a medal if you did ^_^
Tell me what you're thoughts are, and if you agree or not.

No trolling but all of them have big noses.

 

[-Logic-]

No trolling but all of them have big noses.

I was pointing out that each Susano'o has slightly different noses, for example Sasuke's EMS version of Susano'o has a nose much longer. I'm sorry that you failed to see such an obvious change...

 

[Level77Art]

Good jobs!

 

[-Logic-]

Good jobs!

Thanks bro

 

[HyugaUnno]

Awesome my first day here and I already got a medal.

I agree with all of what you put and how you analyzed each and every part of the Susano'o. With how an Uchiha's eye power progresses so does their version of Susano'o does spark the question of if Madara had this version when he fought the First Hokage whether he would win or not. Since Madara had control of the Nine Tails, I doubt he would have had the perfect Susano'o. All throughout the show, once a person has an immense technique that is "guaranteed" a victory over anyone, that is what they focus on and what could beat the most power Tailed Beast? So that leads to the conclusion that the rinnegan is need to unlock the Perfect Susano'o because only Madara has it and is the only one to unlock the Rinnegan whereas Pein was born with it.

Just my thoughts, could be mistaken.

 

[-Logic-]

Awesome my first day here and I already got a medal.

I agree with all of what you put and how you analyzed each and every part of the Susano'o. With how an Uchiha's eye power progresses so does their version of Susano'o does spark the question of if Madara had this version when he fought the First Hokage whether he would win or not. Since Madara had control of the Nine Tails, I doubt he would have had the perfect Susano'o. All throughout the show, once a person has an immense technique that is "guaranteed" a victory over anyone, that is what they focus on and what could beat the most power Tailed Beast? So that leads to the conclusion that the rinnegan is need to unlock the Perfect Susano'o because only Madara has it and is the only one to unlock the Rinnegan whereas Pein was born with it.

Just my thoughts, could be mistaken.

I agree with everything you said apart from the fact that Nagato was born with the Rinnegan. He wasn't. Tobi said he gave it to him. Some people can transplant it like Tobi, but only Uchihas can awaken it.

 

[Ryuu..]

Susanoo is a Mangekyou Sharingan technique. There is little evidence to suggest that the 'Perfect Susanoo' derives from the Rinnegan. I believe Hashirama did indeed fight the Perfect Susanoo, something I think was hinted by Kishi when Tsunade said "Did my grandfather really fight against this?" Moreover, we need to think about the idea that Perfect Susanoo is > or = a bijuu. Why? If Sasuke and Naruto are to be equal, it is very likely at this point he will need to unlock the perfect Susanoo. PS = BM. IF Sasuke now unlocks the Rinnegan aswell, will these two remain in balance? I think not. IF Sasuke gets both the Rinnegan and Perfect Susanoo, he will be superior to Naruto. The series is coming to an end and i'm not yet convinced that Naruto will receive another powerup, except for maybe increasing the length of Bijuu Mode (Perfecting it). What does all this mean? That perhaps the Perfect Susanoo does NOT require the Rinnegan. I think Kishi has been hinting at this in the last two chapters.

 

[-Logic-]

Susanoo is a Mangekyou Sharingan technique. There is little evidence to suggest that the 'Perfect Susanoo' derives from the Rinnegan. I believe Hashirama did indeed fight the Perfect Susanoo, something I think was hinted by Kishi when Tsunade said "Did my grandfather really fight against this?" Moreover, we need to think about the idea that Perfect Susanoo is > or = a bijuu. Why? If Sasuke and Naruto are to be equal, it is very likely at this point he will need to unlock the perfect Susanoo. PS = BM. IF Sasuke now unlocks the Rinnegan aswell, will these two remain in balance? I think not. IF Sasuke gets both the Rinnegan and Perfect Susanoo, he will be superior to Naruto. The series is coming to an end and i'm not yet convinced that Naruto will receive another powerup, except for maybe increasing the length of Bijuu Mode (Perfecting it). What does all this mean? That perhaps the Perfect Susanoo does NOT require the Rinnegan. I think Kishi has been hinting at this in the last two chapters.

I was also thinking that if Sasuke gets the Rinnegan he'll be too OP. I think the way Kishi is foreshadowing Madara's life and achievements implies that Sasuke will also get the Rinnegan. If Sasuke gets the PS then I think he'll be equal to Naruto. If he also gets the Rinnegan then Naruto will perhaps get a new power up. Thanks for reading ^_^

 

[Sonin]

I think this is a great though + rep! Let's get this thread to hot topics

 

[-Logic-]

I think this is a great though + rep! Let's get this thread to hot topics

Aah, I've been wanting to get it there and I'm sure it will, soon enough
Thanks for the support bro!

 

[Sonin]

Aah, I've been wanting to get it there and I'm sure it will, soon enough
Thanks for the support bro!

It deserves to be there, a thread with actual thought and support

 

[-Logic-]

It deserves to be there, a thread with actual thought and support

Aah, you're too nice bro! Once it gets there I'll be sure to get a crap load of +Rep!

 

[HyugaUnno]

I agree with everything you said apart from the fact that Nagato was born with the Rinnegan. He wasn't. Tobi said he gave it to him. Some people can transplant it like Tobi, but only Uchihas can awaken it.

Yes but Tobi also said he was Madara Uchiha and that was proven wrong. Thinking back on when Nagato was first shown having the Rinnegan, how old was he? 11? 12? Maybe younger or around that age. Why would Tobi give a kid Rinnegan? What purpose would it serve? He already tricked everyone into thinking he was Madara, what if he was psyching out Konan by telling her it was actually his? I don't see why a strong ninja such as Tobi would just hand over such a powerful dojutsu to a young'un.

 

[-Logic-]

Yes but Tobi also said he was Madara Uchiha and that was proven wrong. Thinking back on when Nagato was first shown having the Rinnegan, how old was he? 11? 12? Maybe younger or around that age. Why would Tobi give a kid Rinnegan? What purpose would it serve? He already tricked everyone into thinking he was Madara, what if he was psyching out Konan by telling her it was actually his? I don't see why a strong ninja such as Tobi would just hand over such a powerful dojutsu to a young'un.

He gave it to Nagato because he's an Uzumaki; Powerful chakra and life force. Tobi at that time was probably too weak to handle the Rinnegan, so he gave it to someone who was prepared for it.

 

[-Logic-]

except madara said hashirama still beat him and he had perfect susano and he awkaned rinnegan after his fight with him so no it doesnt

What are you talking about?

 

[Sonin]

He gave it to Nagato because he's an Uzumaki; Powerful chakra and life force. Tobi at that time was probably too weak to handle the Rinnegan, so he gave it to someone who was prepared for it.

Also Uzumaki is a relative to Senju

 

[-Logic-]

Also Uzumaki is a relative to Senju

Ah, I wonder why Kishi made that so; There's probably some meaning behind it.